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Should your country require everyone who can receive a COVID-19 vaccine to actually receive it?

YES
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YES, BUT there should also be exceptions for philosophical and religious reasons
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NO, BUT EMPLOYERS SHOULD DO SO THEMSELVES
15
5%
NO, BUT people should be incentivised towards taking, and/or away from not taking, a COVID-19 vaccine (perhaps through lotteries, vaccine passports, etc.)
41
14%
NO
67
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Postby Xmara » Thu Apr 01, 2021 9:30 am

One dose of the Moderna vaccine down, one more to go :)
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Apr 01, 2021 9:32 am

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International pressure has now grown to such an extent that even the WHO has no choice but to echo the view that data was withheld from the factfinding team in Wuhan

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Postby Kowani » Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:56 am

EU seeks 10 million AstraZeneca doses from India to meet shortfall

The European Union has asked India to allow it to buy 10 million doses of AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine from Serum Institute of India, a government official told Reuters, the latest sign of growing pressure on Delhi to export more of its production to other countries. T he EU wants the doses from Serum, the world’s largest vaccine maker, to offset supply shortfalls from AstraZeneca’s European plants and speed up the bloc’s vaccine roll-out.

Any quick approval of the EU request is unlikely, however, with India scrambling to expand its own domestic vaccination drive, said the Indian government official, who asked not to be named as the discussions are private.

Britain is also pressuring India to export the second half of 10 million doses it had ordered from Serum, the source said.

Serum was originally supposed to produce the AstraZeneca vaccine only for low and medium-income countries.

“The EU ambassador wrote a letter, saying, please give us (export) approvals,” said the source, adding the letter was sent around two weeks ago.

Serum, AstraZeneca and India’s foreign ministry did not respond to requests for comment. A spokeswoman for the EU Commission said the Commission had no immediate comment.

India, however, has said that it is now focused on expanding its own immunisation drive as COVID-19 cases have surged since March.

Its decision to focus on its domestic needs, which came after the government was criticised at home for shipping tens of millions of doses overseas, will also affect the WHO-backed global network for vaccine distribution, known as COVAX. The network aims to secure COVID-19 vaccines primarily for dozens of poorer nations.

Production glitches have slowed vaccinations for the 450 million people in the 27-nation EU. The bloc's per capita immunisation lags that of countries such as Israel, the United Kingdom and the United States, according to the website Our World in Data here.

India has so far exported 64 million vaccine doses to 83 countries, and administered the same number of doses at home. Its inoculation drive expanded from Thursday to include everyone above the age of 45, which is expected to raise vaccine demand substantially.

India has reported 12.22 million cases of the coronavirus, the third highest number globally after the United States and Brazil. It has recorded nearly 163,000 deaths from COVID-19.
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Postby Sharania » Thu Apr 01, 2021 1:36 pm

Thanks to right-wing strongmen in charge Poland is a mess - a spike in Covid deaths, not enough ventilators, ambulances waiting for hours or having to go hundreds of miles. A region of Silesia is in a freefall.

It's as if right-wing authoritarians suck at handling crises all over the globe and just deny the reality.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Apr 01, 2021 1:39 pm

Sharania wrote:Thanks to right-wing strongmen in charge Poland is a mess - a spike in Covid deaths, not enough ventilators, ambulances waiting for hours or having to go hundreds of miles. A region of Silesia is in a freefall.

It's as if right-wing authoritarians suck at handling crises all over the globe and just deny the reality.

And this is why France is going into a third lockdown.
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Postby Sharania » Thu Apr 01, 2021 1:45 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:And this is why France is going into a third lockdown.


Macron is p[r]etty right wing, yes. Given half a chance he'd make himself another Putin.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Apr 01, 2021 1:53 pm

Sharania wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:And this is why France is going into a third lockdown.


Macron is p[r]etty right wing, yes. Given half a chance he'd make himself another Putin.


Germany is still pretty nazi too, right?



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The title is wrong, the article makes the point.
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Apr 01, 2021 2:02 pm

I have no plans to get any vaccine until a better one dose one comes out. If that fails to materialize, I will probably settle for Johnson & Johnson's. It should be one dose only so that logistically it's easier for me to get it done. I barely go anywhere so I can safely be one of the last ones to get it, and with any luck it means I'll get one thats been more vetted.

I have valid concerns that it'll kill me like for the one person. My vitiligo stopped, but because I've had that condition before it at minimum means that my immune system is too powerful as to kill melanin cells that didn't need to be killed. In response to any intrusion like COVID, the real virus or not- I don't know if it'll get my immune response to go bezerk enough to shut everything down or not. I'm in lose lose situation or I'm not in regards to this.
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Postby Zurkir » Thu Apr 01, 2021 3:47 pm

When your aunt and uncle refuse to get the vaccine because they “want to go to Jannah” and condemn the imam at their place of worship when he tries to reassure them of the vaccine.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Apr 01, 2021 4:14 pm

Yet another mask-burning protest being planned, this time in Florida, after DeSantis signs an order barring Vaccine Passports

A group of Floridians are planning to gather in South Florida next month to engage in a “mask burning” event, just weeks after Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) said he would not allow a “vaccine passport” to come to the state.

The event, titled the “Million Maskless March and Mask Burning,” is scheduled to take place on April 10 in Ft. Lauderdale. “April 10 marks one year of mask tyranny in Broward County, and we will mark that date with a celebration of freedom!” said a description for the event listed on Monday. [...] Organizers said the event would be conducted with oversight from local authorities, writing, “The mask burning is in full cooperation with local law enforcement and will be done in a safe and controlled manner.” They also suggested messages for signs that participants might bring, including, “MASKS ARE SLAVERY,” “NO MORE MASKS,” “MASKS OFF CHILDREN,” and “NO VACCINE PASSPORTS.”
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Apr 01, 2021 5:12 pm

Kowani wrote:Yet another mask-burning protest being planned, this time in Florida, after DeSantis signs an order barring Vaccine Passports

A group of Floridians are planning to gather in South Florida next month to engage in a “mask burning” event, just weeks after Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) said he would not allow a “vaccine passport” to come to the state.

The event, titled the “Million Maskless March and Mask Burning,” is scheduled to take place on April 10 in Ft. Lauderdale. “April 10 marks one year of mask tyranny in Broward County, and we will mark that date with a celebration of freedom!” said a description for the event listed on Monday. [...] Organizers said the event would be conducted with oversight from local authorities, writing, “The mask burning is in full cooperation with local law enforcement and will be done in a safe and controlled manner.” They also suggested messages for signs that participants might bring, including, “MASKS ARE SLAVERY,” “NO MORE MASKS,” “MASKS OFF CHILDREN,” and “NO VACCINE PASSPORTS.”

Mask-burning?! What in...
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:16 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Kowani wrote:Yet another mask-burning protest being planned, this time in Florida, after DeSantis signs an order barring Vaccine Passports

A group of Floridians are planning to gather in South Florida next month to engage in a “mask burning” event, just weeks after Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) said he would not allow a “vaccine passport” to come to the state.

The event, titled the “Million Maskless March and Mask Burning,” is scheduled to take place on April 10 in Ft. Lauderdale. “April 10 marks one year of mask tyranny in Broward County, and we will mark that date with a celebration of freedom!” said a description for the event listed on Monday. [...] Organizers said the event would be conducted with oversight from local authorities, writing, “The mask burning is in full cooperation with local law enforcement and will be done in a safe and controlled manner.” They also suggested messages for signs that participants might bring, including, “MASKS ARE SLAVERY,” “NO MORE MASKS,” “MASKS OFF CHILDREN,” and “NO VACCINE PASSPORTS.”

Mask-burning?! What in...

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Postby Xmara » Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:47 pm

Kowani wrote:Yet another mask-burning protest being planned, this time in Florida, after DeSantis signs an order barring Vaccine Passports

A group of Floridians are planning to gather in South Florida next month to engage in a “mask burning” event, just weeks after Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) said he would not allow a “vaccine passport” to come to the state.

The event, titled the “Million Maskless March and Mask Burning,” is scheduled to take place on April 10 in Ft. Lauderdale. “April 10 marks one year of mask tyranny in Broward County, and we will mark that date with a celebration of freedom!” said a description for the event listed on Monday. [...] Organizers said the event would be conducted with oversight from local authorities, writing, “The mask burning is in full cooperation with local law enforcement and will be done in a safe and controlled manner.” They also suggested messages for signs that participants might bring, including, “MASKS ARE SLAVERY,” “NO MORE MASKS,” “MASKS OFF CHILDREN,” and “NO VACCINE PASSPORTS.”

Yikes. I mean, I've joked about wanting to burn my mask, but actually doing it? People like these anti-maskers are part of the reason there's about to be another surge in cases.
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Postby Loeje » Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:53 pm

Kowani wrote:Yet another mask-burning protest being planned, this time in Florida, after DeSantis signs an order barring Vaccine Passports

A group of Floridians are planning to gather in South Florida next month to engage in a “mask burning” event, just weeks after Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) said he would not allow a “vaccine passport” to come to the state.

The event, titled the “Million Maskless March and Mask Burning,” is scheduled to take place on April 10 in Ft. Lauderdale. “April 10 marks one year of mask tyranny in Broward County, and we will mark that date with a celebration of freedom!” said a description for the event listed on Monday. [...] Organizers said the event would be conducted with oversight from local authorities, writing, “The mask burning is in full cooperation with local law enforcement and will be done in a safe and controlled manner.” They also suggested messages for signs that participants might bring, including, “MASKS ARE SLAVERY,” “NO MORE MASKS,” “MASKS OFF CHILDREN,” and “NO VACCINE PASSPORTS.”

That's disappointing. They should care more about protecting other people. Masks really aren't that bad.
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Postby -SARS- » Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:29 pm

Kowani wrote:Yet another mask-burning protest being planned, this time in Florida, after DeSantis signs an order barring Vaccine Passports

A group of Floridians are planning to gather in South Florida next month to engage in a “mask burning” event, just weeks after Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) said he would not allow a “vaccine passport” to come to the state.

The event, titled the “Million Maskless March and Mask Burning,” is scheduled to take place on April 10 in Ft. Lauderdale. “April 10 marks one year of mask tyranny in Broward County, and we will mark that date with a celebration of freedom!” said a description for the event listed on Monday. [...] Organizers said the event would be conducted with oversight from local authorities, writing, “The mask burning is in full cooperation with local law enforcement and will be done in a safe and controlled manner.” They also suggested messages for signs that participants might bring, including, “MASKS ARE SLAVERY,” “NO MORE MASKS,” “MASKS OFF CHILDREN,” and “NO VACCINE PASSPORTS.”


It's not a REAL right wing rally without an inappropriate slavery comparison, right? :roll:

Also, am I invited?
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Postby The Alma Mater » Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:31 pm

Zurkir wrote:When your aunt and uncle refuse to get the vaccine because they “want to go to Jannah” and condemn the imam at their place of worship when he tries to reassure them of the vaccine.


"The Pfizer vaccine was made by muslims" is not convincing enough ?
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Postby Zurkir » Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:46 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Zurkir wrote:When your aunt and uncle refuse to get the vaccine because they “want to go to Jannah” and condemn the imam at their place of worship when he tries to reassure them of the vaccine.


"The Pfizer vaccine was made by muslims" is not convincing enough ?


A lot of religious people in general are being outright defiant in taking any of the vaccines. A lot of churches and mosques are following precautions and enforcing mandates but then a lot aren’t. And then others are finding “loopholes”, like that California church I saw on tv that was using “outdoor services” as an excuse for their massive cluster gatherings. There’s actually a church local to me that’s using zoom for their services and I understand most everyone has been vaccinated. It’d be better if they all followed that or a similar model for their services...
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Apr 02, 2021 4:56 am

Loeje wrote:
Kowani wrote:Yet another mask-burning protest being planned, this time in Florida, after DeSantis signs an order barring Vaccine Passports

A group of Floridians are planning to gather in South Florida next month to engage in a “mask burning” event, just weeks after Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) said he would not allow a “vaccine passport” to come to the state.

The event, titled the “Million Maskless March and Mask Burning,” is scheduled to take place on April 10 in Ft. Lauderdale. “April 10 marks one year of mask tyranny in Broward County, and we will mark that date with a celebration of freedom!” said a description for the event listed on Monday. [...] Organizers said the event would be conducted with oversight from local authorities, writing, “The mask burning is in full cooperation with local law enforcement and will be done in a safe and controlled manner.” They also suggested messages for signs that participants might bring, including, “MASKS ARE SLAVERY,” “NO MORE MASKS,” “MASKS OFF CHILDREN,” and “NO VACCINE PASSPORTS.”

That's disappointing. They should care more about protecting other people. Masks really aren't that bad.


American rightists seem to hate the idea of caring about other people. Especially if doing so requires them to change their behaviour.
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Postby CoraSpia » Fri Apr 02, 2021 6:41 am

Vassenor wrote:
Loeje wrote:That's disappointing. They should care more about protecting other people. Masks really aren't that bad.


American rightists seem to hate the idea of caring about other people. Especially if doing so requires them to change their behaviour.

Oh it's not just Americans. Some nebulous 'society' concept which would have me sacrifice my wishes for the betterment of other people I do not know is something which makes me feel somewhat ill.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Apr 02, 2021 7:10 am

SAGE have announced today that the R number for England might be as high as 1.

Meanwhile, I'm sat in my house listening to the loud music from various house parties that are starting up at the beginning of this bank holiday weekend. FML.
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Postby CoraSpia » Fri Apr 02, 2021 7:13 am

Fartsniffage wrote:SAGE have announced today that the R number for England might be as high as 1.

Meanwhile, I'm sat in my house listening to the load music from various house parties that are starting up at the beginning of this bank holiday weekend. FML.

If it's fomo that's the issue I'm reasonably sure you can get an invite to one of them.
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Postby Xmara » Fri Apr 02, 2021 8:02 am

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Kowani wrote:Yet another mask-burning protest being planned, this time in Florida, after DeSantis signs an order barring Vaccine Passports

A group of Floridians are planning to gather in South Florida next month to engage in a “mask burning” event, just weeks after Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) said he would not allow a “vaccine passport” to come to the state.

The event, titled the “Million Maskless March and Mask Burning,” is scheduled to take place on April 10 in Ft. Lauderdale. “April 10 marks one year of mask tyranny in Broward County, and we will mark that date with a celebration of freedom!” said a description for the event listed on Monday. [...] Organizers said the event would be conducted with oversight from local authorities, writing, “The mask burning is in full cooperation with local law enforcement and will be done in a safe and controlled manner.” They also suggested messages for signs that participants might bring, including, “MASKS ARE SLAVERY,” “NO MORE MASKS,” “MASKS OFF CHILDREN,” and “NO VACCINE PASSPORTS.”


It's not a REAL right wing rally without an inappropriate slavery comparison, right? :roll:

Also, am I invited?

Of course you are. You’re the guest of honor ;)
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