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Should your country require everyone who can receive a COVID-19 vaccine to actually receive it?

YES
159
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YES, BUT there should also be exceptions for philosophical and religious reasons
20
7%
NO, BUT EMPLOYERS SHOULD DO SO THEMSELVES
15
5%
NO, BUT people should be incentivised towards taking, and/or away from not taking, a COVID-19 vaccine (perhaps through lotteries, vaccine passports, etc.)
41
14%
NO
67
22%
 
Total votes : 302

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Postby North Washington Republic » Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:03 pm

Galloism wrote:
Kowani wrote:so far: money prizes in Cali, New Mexico, and Ohio, gift cards pretty much everywhere, beers in New Jersey, and amusement park tickets in Illinois, scholarships in quite a few states, and now guns in WV
there's probably some other stuff i missed, but meh

Still nothing for me in Florida.


I honestly think that Ron DeSantis doesn’t care if younger people are vaccinated or not. His initial rollout was a catastrophe logistic wise. He got the older citizens vaccinated right away, which can be a good thing if managed right(it wasn’t). After that, he dgaf.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:05 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Dakini wrote:I got the J&J because my immigration status isn't quite settled yet so it's hard for me to properly register for the vaccination system here. It was much easier to just turn up at a vaccination marathon for one shot than to have to worry about where to get the second one a month from now.

As mentioned upthread, I had some chills the first night, but the second day I was almost back to normal (my eyes felt tired much of the day) and today I was totally fine. Just counting the days until I get maximum immunity and then add another week to look out for blood clot symptoms.


You’re still in Asia, right?


Romania from memory.

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Postby North Washington Republic » Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:05 pm

Dakini wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
I got the J&J because it was the first one offered to me. Before all three vaccines were in abundant supply, the recommendation was to get the vaccine as soon as it was offered to you, no matter the brand. J&J is still highly effective. The one and done is convenient for people with transportation issues, work responsibilities or even people that don’t like getting shots.

I got the J&J because my immigration status isn't quite settled yet so it's hard for me to properly register for the vaccination system here. It was much easier to just turn up at a vaccination marathon for one shot than to have to worry about where to get the second one a month from now.

As mentioned upthread, I had some chills the first night, but the second day I was almost back to normal (my eyes felt tired much of the day) and today I was totally fine. Just counting the days until I get maximum immunity and then add another week to look out for blood clot symptoms.


Thank you for getting vaccinated. You’re protecting yourself your friends and family and your community.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:05 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Galloism wrote:Still nothing for me in Florida.


I honestly think that Ron DeSantis doesn’t care if younger people are vaccinated or not. His initial rollout was a catastrophe logistic wise. He got the older citizens vaccinated right away, which can be a good thing if managed right(it wasn’t). After that, he dgaf.


I can’t complain. My age group was vaccinated faster than I expected and I was called by the state’s health department the same day the vaccine rolled out for me to get an appointment.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:06 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
You’re still in Asia, right?


Romania from memory.


I must be confusing Dakini with someone else with the same nation name who lived in Asia.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:07 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Romania from memory.


I must be confusing Dakini with someone else with the same nation name who lived in Asia.


She lived in Canada, America, Japan, Scotland, then Romania.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:09 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I must be confusing Dakini with someone else with the same nation name who lived in Asia.


She lived in Canada, America, Japan, Scotland, then Romania.


Ah, ok.
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Postby Dakini » Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:16 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
She lived in Canada, America, Japan, Scotland, then Romania.


Ah, ok.

Except I've never lived in the USA. My partner is from there and so are my parents, so I've been there a lot, but I've never lived there.

Otherwise that list is correct.
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Postby Dakini » Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:21 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Dakini wrote:I got the J&J because my immigration status isn't quite settled yet so it's hard for me to properly register for the vaccination system here. It was much easier to just turn up at a vaccination marathon for one shot than to have to worry about where to get the second one a month from now.

As mentioned upthread, I had some chills the first night, but the second day I was almost back to normal (my eyes felt tired much of the day) and today I was totally fine. Just counting the days until I get maximum immunity and then add another week to look out for blood clot symptoms.


Thank you for getting vaccinated. You’re protecting yourself your friends and family and your community.

tbh, I'm mostly excited about the prospect of continuing to avoid Covid for myself. I have a friend who got it early on and he's been fucked by long Covid basically this entire time. He's had to move back in with his parents because he can't take care of himself and the whole nine yards. I'm hoping that once he can get vaccinated, things get better for him (apparently vaccination has helped some long Covid sufferers), but I'm happy to avoid that if I can.

Also, once 10 days have passed after my vaccine, I can re-enter Romania without quarantine no matter where I go, which will be nice.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:28 pm

Dakini wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Ah, ok.

Except I've never lived in the USA. My partner is from there and so are my parents, so I've been there a lot, but I've never lived there.

Otherwise that list is correct.


Well I was pretty close. :P

I honestly thought you'd spent time studying in the US.

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Postby Dakini » Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:32 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Dakini wrote:Except I've never lived in the USA. My partner is from there and so are my parents, so I've been there a lot, but I've never lived there.

Otherwise that list is correct.


Well I was pretty close. :P

I honestly thought you'd spent time studying in the US.

You were definitely close. :)

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Postby Galloism » Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:35 pm

Kowani wrote:
Galloism wrote:Still nothing for me in Florida.

DeSantis says never

Asshole.
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Postby Deblar » Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:45 pm

Kowani wrote:West Virginia to give away guns as Covid-19 vaccine incentive

The state will give away five custom hunting rifles and five custom shotguns through its lottery, with the drawings taking place on June 20 for Fathers Day.

There will be a series of lottery drawings taking place weekly from June 20 through August 4, for which any West Virginian who’s received at least one dose of the Covid-19 vaccine will be eligible to register. The lottery will also give one resident $1 million—as other states have done—along with prizes like full-ride scholarships, custom trucks and lifetime hunting and fishing licenses.

In addition to its lottery, West Virginia is also giving away $100 in savings bonds or gift cards to everyone ages 16-35 in the state who is fully vaccinated.

:rofl: :rofl:
Hey, if it works...

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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:00 pm

Kowani wrote:Ex-footballer Bradley Orr claimed the Magna Carta allowed him to keep his soft play centre open during Covid restrictions, fined more than £4,500

An ex-footballer who claimed the Magna Carta allowed him to keep his soft play centre open during Covid restrictions has been fined more than £4,500.

Bradley Orr, who has played for Bristol City, QPR and Blackburn Rovers, was summonsed to court after refusing to close Cirque D-Play in Merseyside.

Orr claimed the 800-year-old document meant Covid rules did not apply to him.

But he was fined at Wirral Magistrates Court for contravening a prohibition notice.

In written statements to the court, Merseyside Police said Orr, of Falkner Street in Liverpool, had refused to adhere to the former tier three local restrictions, which were in force in October and November 2020.

PC Alex Broadbent said he and another officer attended Cirque D-Play on 1 November, one day after council environmental health officers had issued Orr with a fixed-penalty notice. PC Broadbent said there were "numerous members of the public present with children playing". He began speaking to an unidentified man, later revealed to be Orr, and tried to explain that the business was in breach of Covid regulations, the Local Democracy Reporting Service said.

Orr replied: "I am not entering into a contract with you. I refuse to stand under you."

Mr Broadbent added: "Orr pointed out that he had an extract from the Magna Carta on the front door of his property which he asked me to read."

The Magna Carta, signed in 1215 by King John, was a royal charter of rights designed to bring peace between the King and his barons.

Orr falsely claimed that Clause 61 meant he could ignore laws that he deems "unjust".

Although it is one of the foundational documents of English law, only four parts of the Magna Carta remain valid.

None of those clauses allows citizens to decide which laws should apply to them.

In a statement to the court, PC Matthew Edwards said, during a later visit on 7 November, Orr had acted "in a childish manner" and claimed coronavirus was "make-believe".

Mr Edwards said: "Orr began to quote that the Health Regulations 2020 were only legislations and not law and that he only listened to common law."

Orr, who did not respond to either summons to court, was fined £3,960 in total and ordered to pay another £200 in costs and £366 as a surcharge for victim services.


Quite apart from anything else, Clause 61 of the Magna Carta is really quite explicit about who it allows to do what, and how to activate it:

The barons shall elect twenty-five of their number to keep, and cause to be observed with all their might, the peace and liberties granted and confirmed to them by this charter.

If we, our chief justice, our officials, or any of our servants offend in any respect against any man, or transgress any of the articles of the peace or of this security, and the offence is made known to four of the said twenty-five barons, they shall come to us – or in our absence from the kingdom to the chief justice – to declare it and claim immediate redress. If we, or in our absence abroad the chief justice, make no redress within forty days, reckoning from the day on which the offence was declared to us or to him, the four barons shall refer the matter to the rest of the twenty-five barons, who may distrain upon and assail us in every way possible, with the support of the whole community of the land, by seizing our castles, lands, possessions, or anything else saving only our own person and those of the queen and our children, until they have secured such redress as they have determined upon. Having secured the redress, they may then resume their normal obedience to us.
Any man who so desires may take an oath to obey the commands of the twenty-five barons for the achievement of these ends, and to join with them in assailing us to the utmost of his power.


I'm reasonably confident that this guy did not make his objection known to either one of the elected Barons or the Chief Justice, or wait 40 days, or raise the issue to the rest of the elected Barons, or act only under the command of such Barons.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:30 pm

Deblar wrote:
Kowani wrote:West Virginia to give away guns as Covid-19 vaccine incentive

The state will give away five custom hunting rifles and five custom shotguns through its lottery, with the drawings taking place on June 20 for Fathers Day.

There will be a series of lottery drawings taking place weekly from June 20 through August 4, for which any West Virginian who’s received at least one dose of the Covid-19 vaccine will be eligible to register. The lottery will also give one resident $1 million—as other states have done—along with prizes like full-ride scholarships, custom trucks and lifetime hunting and fishing licenses.

In addition to its lottery, West Virginia is also giving away $100 in savings bonds or gift cards to everyone ages 16-35 in the state who is fully vaccinated.

:rofl: :rofl:
Hey, if it works...

Shots are shots ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Postby Galloism » Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:31 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Deblar wrote: :rofl: :rofl:
Hey, if it works...

Shots are shots ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And off to AQ we go.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:40 pm

Kowani wrote:West Virginia to give away guns as Covid-19 vaccine incentive

The state will give away five custom hunting rifles and five custom shotguns through its lottery, with the drawings taking place on June 20 for Fathers Day.

There will be a series of lottery drawings taking place weekly from June 20 through August 4, for which any West Virginian who’s received at least one dose of the Covid-19 vaccine will be eligible to register. The lottery will also give one resident $1 million—as other states have done—along with prizes like full-ride scholarships, custom trucks and lifetime hunting and fishing licenses.

In addition to its lottery, West Virginia is also giving away $100 in savings bonds or gift cards to everyone ages 16-35 in the state who is fully vaccinated.


This sucks, Mass isn't offering shit, mainly because they don't need to. Damn blue state.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:42 pm

Galloism wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Shots are shots ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And off to AQ we go.

Thank you. If they ever decide to do an alcohol giveaway, maybe I can go for a comedy triple.
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Postby Vetalia » Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:13 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Vetalia, why? You're really gonna post your vaccine card to prove a point on a random site?


I don't like being called a liar regarding something as important as a COVID vaccination and needed to set the record straight. I also believe it is important to differentiate the lockdown-skeptics from the goofy, extreme types that latch on to our valid criticisms regarding the pandemic response with their conspiracy theories and anti-vax nonsense.

These safe, effective vaccines have and will continue to save countless lives and will play a critical role in ending this pandemic. All of the key information has been carefully redacted to prevent some idiot from abusing it to make a fake vaccination card, of course.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:32 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Kowani wrote:West Virginia to give away guns as Covid-19 vaccine incentive

The state will give away five custom hunting rifles and five custom shotguns through its lottery, with the drawings taking place on June 20 for Fathers Day.

There will be a series of lottery drawings taking place weekly from June 20 through August 4, for which any West Virginian who’s received at least one dose of the Covid-19 vaccine will be eligible to register. The lottery will also give one resident $1 million—as other states have done—along with prizes like full-ride scholarships, custom trucks and lifetime hunting and fishing licenses.

In addition to its lottery, West Virginia is also giving away $100 in savings bonds or gift cards to everyone ages 16-35 in the state who is fully vaccinated.


This sucks, Mass isn't offering shit, mainly because they don't need to. Damn blue state.

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Postby Great Algerstonia » Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:33 pm

Kowani wrote:West Virginia to give away guns as Covid-19 vaccine incentive

The state will give away five custom hunting rifles and five custom shotguns through its lottery, with the drawings taking place on June 20 for Fathers Day.

There will be a series of lottery drawings taking place weekly from June 20 through August 4, for which any West Virginian who’s received at least one dose of the Covid-19 vaccine will be eligible to register. The lottery will also give one resident $1 million—as other states have done—along with prizes like full-ride scholarships, custom trucks and lifetime hunting and fishing licenses.

In addition to its lottery, West Virginia is also giving away $100 in savings bonds or gift cards to everyone ages 16-35 in the state who is fully vaccinated.

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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:05 pm

Kowani wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
This sucks, Mass isn't offering shit, mainly because they don't need to. Damn blue state.

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Ah theyre only doing it the mass clinics. my dumbass did it through walgreens.
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:48 pm

I think 'free guns if you get vaccinated' is the most American thing I've ever heard, and I kind of love it.

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Postby Galloism » Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:58 pm

Albrenia wrote:I think 'free guns if you get vaccinated' is the most American thing I've ever heard, and I kind of love it.

8)

I'll point out West Virginia has had one of the most effective vaccination programs in both the states and the world (and yes I do have a source for that - most of the world on suicide watch), and we shouldn't discount their methods.

It's actually probably a great plan.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:11 pm

Well now. A deputy in Denver developed an attitude over the vaccine. To the point where he would antagonize people over it.

Welp….he got covid and died two weeks later.


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