Coronavirus Thread VI: Are We Nearly There Yet? (READ OP)

[The Black Forrest]

-update-

Just got word from Goorin and they said they are severing all ties with that third party.

Did you seriously just contribute to an online mob trying to destroy a small business and then post happily about it on the internet?

Why would you do that?

ohhhh you are one of the private businesses can make up their own rules right? Third party vendors are expected to present the image of products. I did not know the Goorin hat company so I looked them up. Guess what was advertising on the web page? A black man wearing their products.

It made sense to let them know this third party vendor had mistreated a rather educated black couple who obviously had money as the products mentioned are not cheap. Further more it’s not a great introductory image for your product line to possible new customers who sees them along with the story of racism and anti-Semiticism.

Now as to an online mob? I don’t know. I simply forwarded the review mentioned and was rather polite about it being a message of “in case you didn’t know”. We ended up chatting and I got great advice for looking into new hats (a couple need to be replaced still beside the point).

Finally, here is the funny thing. Racism and anti-Semiticism are not good practices for business. Especially when you depend on vendors for product. The online mob you mention was all her fault. What made her decide a yellow star of david was a great idea to sell? It only opens the door for the review of their past and low and behold a review of mistreatment simply because they weren’t white. Gone are the days of obscurity where you could be a bad person.

[The Huskar Social Union]

My arm hurts a bit more today than it did yesterday and i feel really damn tired and groggy but other than that not too bad.

I was planning on a brief outing today for some coffee but holding off to take it easy today till i fee like my normal self again.

[North Washington Republic]

Did you seriously just contribute to an online mob trying to destroy a small business and then post happily about it on the internet?

Why would you do that?

ohhhh you are one of the private businesses can make up their own rules right? Third party vendors are expected to present the image of products. I did not know the Goorin hat company so I looked them up. Guess what was advertising on the web page? A black man wearing their products.

It made sense to let them know this third party vendor had mistreated a rather educated black couple who obviously had money as the products mentioned are not cheap. Further more it’s not a great introductory image for your product line to possible new customers who sees them along with the story of racism and anti-Semiticism.

Now as to an online mob? I don’t know. I simply forwarded the review mentioned and was rather polite about it being a message of “in case you didn’t know”. We ended up chatting and I got great advice for looking into new hats (a couple need to be replaced still beside the point).

Finally, here is the funny thing. Racism and anti-Semiticism are not good practices for business. Especially when you depend on vendors for product. The online mob you mention was all her fault. What made her decide a yellow star of david was a great idea to sell? It only opens the door for the review of their past and low and behold a review of mistreatment simply because they weren’t white. Gone are the days of obscurity where you could be a bad person.

Apparently, mocking the Jewish victims of the Nazi regime shouldn’t result in any boycotts or vendors pulling product.

[Samudera Darussalam]

My arm hurts a bit more today than it did yesterday and i feel really damn tired and groggy but other than that not too bad.

I was planning on a brief outing today for some coffee but holding off to take it easy today till i fee like my normal self again.

Get well soon, Huskar.

[The Huskar Social Union]

My arm hurts a bit more today than it did yesterday and i feel really damn tired and groggy but other than that not too bad.

I was planning on a brief outing today for some coffee but holding off to take it easy today till i fee like my normal self again.

Get well soon, Huskar.

Eh ill be fine, just a few days of feeling like crap. My dad and my mum were like this when they got their first doses. In fact im near certain everyone in my family had a few days like this after getting their first dose.

edit: Thank you though.

[Kowani]

Pfizer vaccine effective against B.1.617 (the strain ravaging india), but less than the standard-a threefold reduction in antibodies

[Samudera Darussalam]

Get well soon, Huskar.

Eh ill be fine, just a few days of feeling like crap. My dad and my mum were like this when they got their first doses. In fact im near certain everyone in my family had a few days like this after getting their first dose.

edit: Thank you though.

It's fine. It must be sucks tho to feel like that.
I suppose that can become some kind of reference for me when I'm able to be vaccinated. Thank you too, Huskar, for sharing your experience here.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Eh ill be fine, just a few days of feeling like crap. My dad and my mum were like this when they got their first doses. In fact im near certain everyone in my family had a few days like this after getting their first dose.

edit: Thank you though.

It's fine. It must be sucks tho to feel like that.
I suppose that can become some kind of reference for me when I'm able to be vaccinated. Thank you too, Huskar, for sharing your experience here.

Nurse said to me it might feel a bit like a hangover and it kind of does lol

A slight one anyway.

[Esalia]

The issue many people have, quite rationally so, is that after the Second World War, people were so mortified regarding human medical experimentation that in 1947 they created the Nuremberg Medical Code which stated that it is 100% essential to secure consent from people to use experimental medicines without coercion (for example, limiting their abilities in public life and so on). People do not buy that merely because an organisation states "yes, it's safe" that it is indeed so because in any other circumstance such medicines require years more trials, etc. in order to gain approval. I feel these are legitimate concerns and any citizen of a democratic state should be absolutely concerned when their government attempts to limit the unvaccinated from participating in society.

There's a very thick line between "I do not trust this brand new vaccine" and "I am on par with people who were brutally murdered by the millions because I refuse to get this brand new vaccine".

There is also a difference between "I am being unduly pressured into getting a vaccine that I don't trust" and "I am on par with the people being shipped off to the chambers because I don't want this vaccine".

Distrusting the vaccine and not wanting to be pressured into getting it is a far cry from what this store was doing, which was making a mockery of the holocaust to pretend the two scenarios are in any way equal.

[Kowani]

Thai government accused of concealing vaccine supply issues

The Rural Doctors Society has accused the government of concealing information about the real situation facing supplies of the AstraZeneca vaccine promised for this week.

Suphat Hasuwankit, president of the Rural Doctors Society, posted on the society's Facebook page that a source told him the government now has to order 500,000 doses of the vaccine from South Korea to supply its mass vaccination campaign which kicks off on June 7, instead of sourcing from local production. The government had to pay a lot more money for the AstraZeneca vaccine from South Korea simply to fulfil its promise that the AstraZeneca vaccinations will be available on timr, Dr Suphat said. And as the government had previously promised up to 1.8 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine will arrive in the first batch in June, people who have already booked their vaccination appointments may end up getting Sinovac jabs instead, he said.

As Covid-19 vaccine supplies remain insufficient worldwide due to low global manufacturing capacity, vaccine makers are handling vaccine orders strictly in chronological order, while some urgent orders are accepted with extra charges. Currently, only the Sinovac vaccine has been obtained by Thailand in an "urgent" manner, he said.
Dr Suphat said that as the government has a limited amount of the AstraZeneca vaccine, it has instructed hospitals to get 12 doses from each vial, instead of the 10 doses that the label recommends.

The idea is to increase the number of people who receive the vaccine by 20% while using the same amount of the vaccine, he said.

Given the vaccination situation, Thailand's Covid-19 outbreak will remain serious for several more months, while June is likely to be particularly chaotic in terms of vaccination management, he said.

[New Visayan Islands]

The issue many people have, quite rationally so, is that after the Second World War, people were so mortified regarding human medical experimentation that in 1947 they created the Nuremberg Medical Code which stated that it is 100% essential to secure consent from people to use experimental medicines without coercion (for example, limiting their abilities in public life and so on). People do not buy that merely because an organisation states "yes, it's safe" that it is indeed so because in any other circumstance such medicines require years more trials, etc. in order to gain approval. I feel these are legitimate concerns and any citizen of a democratic state should be absolutely concerned when their government attempts to limit the unvaccinated from participating in society.

There's a very thick line between "I do not trust this brand new vaccine" and "I am on par with people who were brutally murdered by the millions because I refuse to get this brand new vaccine".

There is also a difference between "I am being unduly pressured into getting a vaccine that I don't trust" and "I am on par with the people being shipped off to the chambers because I don't want this vaccine".

Distrusting the vaccine and not wanting to be pressured into getting it is a far cry from what this store was doing, which was making a mockery of the holocaust to pretend the two scenarios are in any way equal.

This part I can confirm, what with the average Filipino cognizant that the Chinese shots are less reliable accounting for the data. Not that Duterte et al were listening the first few times, but I digress.

Data for PH as of May 31st, 1600 PHT/0400 EDT.

Detailed update. Also:

• The deeper the trade ties, the easier Coof Shots can be sent out.
• The ghost of Dengvaxia strikes again!
• Boris Johnson: Coof Passes when, G7?!
• More Coof Control Drama.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

The issue many people have, quite rationally so, is that after the Second World War, people were so mortified regarding human medical experimentation that in 1947 they created the Nuremberg Medical Code which stated that it is 100% essential to secure consent from people to use experimental medicines without coercion (for example, limiting their abilities in public life and so on). People do not buy that merely because an organisation states "yes, it's safe" that it is indeed so because in any other circumstance such medicines require years more trials, etc. in order to gain approval. I feel these are legitimate concerns and any citizen of a democratic state should be absolutely concerned when their government attempts to limit the unvaccinated from participating in society.

There's a very thick line between "I do not trust this brand new vaccine" and "I am on par with people who were brutally murdered by the millions because I refuse to get this brand new vaccine".

There is also a difference between "I am being unduly pressured into getting a vaccine that I don't trust" and "I am on par with the people being shipped off to the chambers because I don't want this vaccine".

Distrusting the vaccine and not wanting to be pressured into getting it is a far cry from what this store was doing, which was making a mockery of the holocaust to pretend the two scenarios are in any way equal.

12 million people died in the holocaust. So far zero have been killed for not wanting the vaccine.

[Salandriagado]

India posts lowest daily rise in COVID-19 cases in over a month

Felt slightly relieved after reading this but the situation is still very worrying

Gona be honest, i find it hard to believe India at this point.

Nah, the headline is almost certainly true - it's just that "rate of rise of cases drops" does not mean "things are getting better". It often means "you've hit the limit of your testing capacity".

[Salandriagado]

That's fair enough, although Covid misinformation is not a political belief any more than crystal healing is, although both strongly tend towards one side or the other.

Pretty much anything can be framed as a political belief honestly, it's not restricted to the beliefs of the mainstream parties. If I believed that we should bring back slavery, which for the avoidance of doubt I don't, that's a political belief despite how obviously disgusting it is.

Sure, but political beliefs include the word "should": they're statements of preference, fundamentally. "Vaccines cause autism" is not such a belief - it is a claim about the factual nature of the universe, and a false one.

[Neanderthaland]

That's fair enough, although Covid misinformation is not a political belief any more than crystal healing is, although both strongly tend towards one side or the other.

Pretty much anything can be framed as a political belief honestly, it's not restricted to the beliefs of the mainstream parties. If I believed that we should bring back slavery, which for the avoidance of doubt I don't, that's a political belief despite how obviously disgusting it is.

Which is exactly why your proposal to make political beliefs a "protected class" is a dumb idea.

[Vetalia]

Alright folks, a little update. I was able to find a provider offering J&J and received my dose about two hours ago. I really wanted to be "one-and-done" with this.

We'll see how it goes but I would not anticipate any major issues or side effects, there was no pain whatsoever during the injection and none has developed so far.

[North Washington Republic]

Alright folks, a little update. I was able to find a provider offering J&J and received my dose about two hours ago. I really wanted to be "one-and-done" with this.

We'll see how it goes but I would not anticipate any major issues or side effects, there was no pain whatsoever during the injection and none has developed so far.

I received the J&J in early April. Felt a little tired and mild muscle aches for about two days. Nothing debilitating.

Thank you for getting vaccinated. You’re protecting yourself and your community.

[North Washington Republic]

Pretty much anything can be framed as a political belief honestly, it's not restricted to the beliefs of the mainstream parties. If I believed that we should bring back slavery, which for the avoidance of doubt I don't, that's a political belief despite how obviously disgusting it is.

Which is exactly why your proposal to make political beliefs a "protected class" is a dumb idea.

It’s said that public health is framed as a political belief. Vaccines should appeal to everyone across the political spectrum.

[Vetalia]

I received the J&J in early April. Felt a little tired and mild muscle aches for about two days. Nothing debilitating.

Thank you for getting vaccinated. You’re protecting yourself and your community.

For sure, although I am very critical of some aspects of the pandemic response I knew this was the right thing to do...each vaccination is another nail in the coffin of this pandemic. Thank you as well if you have been vaccinated!

It is becoming more and more clear that these vaccines are safe and effective in both the short and increasingly longer terms. Each month that passes proves that more and more and the fact that this was accomplished in record time is a reason to feel extremely optimistic about defeating a number of diseases

I would also recommend the vaccine hesitant give a lot of consideration to the J&J vaccine; it is based on a long-existing technology that has developed a number of other successful vaccine candidates (e.g. Ebola and Zika). It also has some more testing regarding effectiveness against variants compared to the mRNA, although all are highly effective at preventing severe illness, hospitalization and death.

However, my personal recommendation is if you are in constant, close contact with individuals who can't be vaccinated I would get one of the mRNA vaccines as they appear to have higher protection against contracting SARS-CoV-2 altogether. J&J is somewhat less effective in this regard.

[Galloism]

I received the J&J in early April. Felt a little tired and mild muscle aches for about two days. Nothing debilitating.

Thank you for getting vaccinated. You’re protecting yourself and your community.

For sure, although I am very critical of some aspects of the pandemic response I knew this was the right thing to do...each vaccination is another nail in the coffin of this pandemic. Thank you as well if you have been vaccinated!

It is becoming more and more clear that these vaccines are safe and effective in both the short and increasingly longer terms. Each month that passes proves that more and more and the fact that this was accomplished in record time is a reason to feel extremely optimistic about defeating a number of diseases

I would also recommend the vaccine hesitant give a lot of consideration to the J&J vaccine; it is based on a long-existing technology that has developed a number of other successful vaccine candidates (e.g. Ebola and Zika). It also has some more testing regarding effectiveness against variants compared to the mRNA, although all are highly effective at preventing severe illness, hospitalization and death.

However, my personal recommendation is if you are in constant, close contact with individuals who can't be vaccinated I would get one of the mRNA vaccines as they appear to have higher protection against contracting SARS-CoV-2 altogether. J&J is somewhat less effective in this regard.

Also, I'd like to suggest you not wait unreasonably for the one you want if it's not available in your area.

Any vaccine is better than no vaccine.

[North Washington Republic]

I received the J&J in early April. Felt a little tired and mild muscle aches for about two days. Nothing debilitating.

Thank you for getting vaccinated. You’re protecting yourself and your community.

For sure, although I am very critical of some aspects of the pandemic response I knew this was the right thing to do...each vaccination is another nail in the coffin of this pandemic. Thank you as well if you have been vaccinated!

It is becoming more and more clear that these vaccines are safe and effective in both the short and increasingly longer terms. Each month that passes proves that more and more and the fact that this was accomplished in record time is a reason to feel extremely optimistic about defeating a number of diseases

I would also recommend the vaccine hesitant give a lot of consideration to the J&J vaccine; it is based on a long-existing technology that has developed a number of other successful vaccine candidates (e.g. Ebola and Zika). It also has some more testing regarding effectiveness against variants compared to the mRNA, although all are highly effective at preventing severe illness, hospitalization and death.

However, my personal recommendation is if you are in constant, close contact with individuals who can't be vaccinated I would get one of the mRNA vaccines as they appear to have higher protection against contracting SARS-CoV-2 altogether. J&J is somewhat less effective in this regard.

I got the J&J because it was the first one offered to me. Before all three vaccines were in abundant supply, the recommendation was to get the vaccine as soon as it was offered to you, no matter the brand. J&J is still highly effective. The one and done is convenient for people with transportation issues, work responsibilities or even people that don’t like getting shots.

[Vetalia]

Also, I'd like to suggest you not wait unreasonably for the one you want if it's not available in your area.

Any vaccine is better than no vaccine.

I agree, now that we are in a vaccine-plentiful environment my focus is on combatting vaccine hesitancy more than anything. I'd rather someone wait a few days and get one they feel comfortable about based on the information I provide rather than not get one at all. I also like to point out the convenience of the one-shot regime vs. the two-shot.

AFAIK there are no problems getting your choice pretty much anywhere in the US at this point, though. Unfortunately there is still a hell of a lot of misinformation out there that is difficult to overcome. Some of it I think was bad messaging on the part of the CDC/FHA that IMO needs to be improved but the rest is just the result of confirmation bias and internet echo chambers.

[The Huskar Social Union]

So i noticed when i went to get vaccinated yesterday almost all the nurses i interacted with had English accents. Turns out they were Army medics.

Kind of forgot they got deployed here for a while, They helped administer over 100k vaccines in the SSE Arena where i got mine done.

[Vetalia]

I got the J&J because it was the first one offered to me. Before all three vaccines were in abundant supply, the recommendation was to get the vaccine as soon as it was offered to you, no matter the brand. J&J is still highly effective. The one and done is convenient for people with transportation issues, work responsibilities or even people that don’t like getting shots.

One other beneficial aspect is that it had more exposure to testing vs. variants, although I think no matter what all of them are 100% effective against severe illness and hospitalization/death irrespective of the variant. And of course, that's the most important thing of all.

[Fartsniffage]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-57308592

Covid: WHO renames UK and other variants with Greek letters

The World Health Organization (WHO) has announced a new naming system for variants of Covid-19.

From now on the WHO will use Greek letters to refer to variants first detected in countries like the UK, South Africa and India.

The UK variant for instance is labelled as Alpha, the South African Beta, and the Indian as Delta.

The WHO said this was to simplify discussions but also to help remove some stigma from the names.

Earlier this month the Indian government criticised the naming of variant B.1.617.2 - first detected in the country last October - as the "Indian variant", though the WHO had never officially labelled it as such.