Coronavirus Thread VI: Are We Nearly There Yet? (READ OP)

[Ethel mermania]

The seven least vaccinated counties in the US all have one thing in common

https://news.yahoo.com/least-vaccinated ... 52992.html

Any guesses?

I'm sure politics is a medium factor, but I'd be mindful of the fact that many of the Trumpiest counties are also some of the most rural, the poorest, and those with totally inadequate healthcare infrastructure. I imagine a lot of folks in these counties might want the vaccine but are struggling to get access.

The same is true in poor, minority-majority areas of our inner cities. It isn't that all those people are anti-vaxx, it is just that many of them are trying to, but cannot get access to one.

Here the access issue is weird, most sign-ups are on line. Not all poor and elderly have access or like to use computers to sign up for this stuff so the vaccination rate in these neighborhoods isn't what it is hoped to be

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I'm sure politics is a medium factor, but I'd be mindful of the fact that many of the Trumpiest counties are also some of the most rural, the poorest, and those with totally inadequate healthcare infrastructure. I imagine a lot of folks in these counties might want the vaccine but are struggling to get access.

The same is true in poor, minority-majority areas of our inner cities. It isn't that all those people are anti-vaxx, it is just that many of them are trying to, but cannot get access to one.

Here the access issue is weird, most sign-ups are on line. Not all poor and elderly have access or like to use computers to sign up for this stuff so the vaccination rate in these neighborhoods isn't what it is hoped to be

Same here. Getting a vaccine should be easier than this.

[Shazbotdom]

Well, I would have come up with better wording, but I'm not in charge of the State's response to COVID-19.

Do you live there? Perhaps you need to write a very strongly-worded letter and suggest improvements be made.

Thinking about it and reading through some things, "Probable" and "pending" would be interchangeable in relation to Epidemiology. So I am not sure why you would have an issue with them using "Probable".

[Xmara]

Here the access issue is weird, most sign-ups are on line. Not all poor and elderly have access or like to use computers to sign up for this stuff so the vaccination rate in these neighborhoods isn't what it is hoped to be

Same here. Getting a vaccine should be easier than this.

My mom and I had signed up a couple of months ago online when WV opened its online vaccination site. We were supposed to get contacted about getting vaccinated, but never were. It was only because my aunt needed my mom to take her to get vaccinated that mom was able to get both of us vaccinated. Otherwise we would probably still be waiting.

I’m guessing that’s why WV’s vaccination rate has gone down recently.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Are you afraid of the IMPENDING DOOM our crying, scared goofball in charge of the CDC warned us about yet? Truly a top mind along with "doctor" Fauci.

My unvaccinated self had a very nice meal at a local Mexican place before the Easter vigil as well as today and the COVID boogeyman hasn't gotten me yet. Tomorrow I'm going to tuck in at a mask-unfriendly place and devour some rogan josh and naan.

It's almost as if this is a mildly bad flu.

Now that you are banned for spreading utter bollocks again why dont you go say this stuff to someone who lost a family member to covid and see how long you last. See if that changes your fucking tune.


3 million dead now by the way so you have a lot of families to pick from, and if people like you were in charge and we had no lockdowns put in place at all there would be another few million added to that fucking death toll.

[The Huskar Social Union]

People 35-39 can now get appointments for vaccines here in NI, so hopefully ill be able to get an appointment in the next month or two if it keeps up at this rate (Im 26)

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Are you afraid of the IMPENDING DOOM our crying, scared goofball in charge of the CDC warned us about yet? Truly a top mind along with "doctor" Fauci.

My unvaccinated self had a very nice meal at a local Mexican place before the Easter vigil as well as today and the COVID boogeyman hasn't gotten me yet. Tomorrow I'm going to tuck in at a mask-unfriendly place and devour some rogan josh and naan.

It's almost as if this is a mildly bad flu.

Now that you are banned for spreading utter bollocks again why dont you go say this stuff to someone who lost a family member to covid and see how long you last. See if that changes your fucking tune.


3 million dead now by the way so you have a lot of families to pick from, and if people like you were in charge and we had no lockdowns put in place at all there would be another few million added to that fucking death toll.

The genocide approach as made popular by Donald Trump. You open everything up, kill millions and then say "hey at least the economy kinda survived."

[Neanderthaland]

And almost everyone recognizes that the Spanish flu was pretty bad. They shut things down and had people wear face masks and stuff.

you can tell it wasn't really spanish because it made people close down parties

Also didn't force people to convert to Catholicism on pain of death.


...too soon?

[Vassenor]

you can tell it wasn't really spanish because it made people close down parties

Also didn't force people to convert to Catholicism on pain of death.


...too soon?

Well I didn't expect that.

[Neanderthaland]

Also didn't force people to convert to Catholicism on pain of death.


...too soon?

Well I didn't expect that.

[Xmara]

Also didn't force people to convert to Catholicism on pain of death.


...too soon?

Well I didn't expect that.

Nobody ever does

[Kowani]

you can tell it wasn't really spanish because it made people close down parties

Also didn't force people to convert to Catholicism on pain of death.


...too soon?[/quote]
Technically speaking, Cardinal Cisneros “only” expelled those who refused to convert
Now the later theocrats, they were more bloody about it

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I'm sure politics is a medium factor, but I'd be mindful of the fact that many of the Trumpiest counties are also some of the most rural, the poorest, and those with totally inadequate healthcare infrastructure. I imagine a lot of folks in these counties might want the vaccine but are struggling to get access.

The same is true in poor, minority-majority areas of our inner cities. It isn't that all those people are anti-vaxx, it is just that many of them are trying to, but cannot get access to one.

Here the access issue is weird, most sign-ups are on line. Not all poor and elderly have access or like to use computers to sign up for this stuff so the vaccination rate in these neighborhoods isn't what it is hoped to be

My brother, who lives in NYC, could only get in for his first shot in mid May. And this after much hassle. He said it was a pain to schedule his vaccination.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Now that you are banned for spreading utter bollocks again why dont you go say this stuff to someone who lost a family member to covid and see how long you last. See if that changes your fucking tune.


3 million dead now by the way so you have a lot of families to pick from, and if people like you were in charge and we had no lockdowns put in place at all there would be another few million added to that fucking death toll.

The genocide approach as made popular by Donald Trump. You open everything up, kill millions and then say "hey at least the economy kinda survived."

But isn't he incapable of interfering in the affairs of the state government?And what did Biden do?

[Kowani]

Japanese PM Yoshihide Suga asks Pfizer for additional doses to help speed up the vaccination drive

[CoraSpia]

Now that you are banned for spreading utter bollocks again why dont you go say this stuff to someone who lost a family member to covid and see how long you last. See if that changes your fucking tune.


3 million dead now by the way so you have a lot of families to pick from, and if people like you were in charge and we had no lockdowns put in place at all there would be another few million added to that fucking death toll.

The genocide approach as made popular by Donald Trump. You open everything up, kill millions and then say "hey at least the economy kinda survived."

I've never heard of a genocide caused by freedom, kind of seems impossible.

[New Visayan Islands]

Data for PH as of April 20th, 1600 PHT/0400 EDT.

Detailed update. Also:

• More Coof Relief would be nice.
• All the more reason to choose AstraZenica, amirite?
• J&J and Bharat get the green light. (Cue PH bishops raising a pillar of salt over J&J the way the USCCB is.)
• But we can still use Comrade Coof Shot afterwards, da? (V: You realize "Comrade Coof Shot" also applies to the Chinese shots, right? R: IKR?)

[The Alma Mater]

The genocide approach as made popular by Donald Trump. You open everything up, kill millions and then say "hey at least the economy kinda survived."

I've never heard of a genocide caused by freedom, kind of seems impossible.

It's amazing how many things you claim to have never heard of. Where did the education system fail you ?
Genuine question.

[CoraSpia]

I've never heard of a genocide caused by freedom, kind of seems impossible.

It's amazing how many things you claim to have never heard of. Where did the education system fail you ?
Genuine question.

The definition of genocide includes a very important word: deliberate. Simply allowing for the maximum levels of freedom does not make for a 'deliberate' killing, rather deaths occur as an unintended consequence. I think it's also rather a reach to claim that Trump's response to covid had the aim of destroying a particular ethnic group: yes, it disproportionately kills more African-americans however it's not really arguable that there is an ethnic group which has a greater than 50 % chance of death from covid. Calling Trump's response to the pandemic genocide is just plain wrong.

[Dogmeat]

It's amazing how many things you claim to have never heard of. Where did the education system fail you ?
Genuine question.

The definition of genocide includes a very important word: deliberate. Simply allowing for the maximum levels of freedom does not make for a 'deliberate' killing, rather deaths occur as an unintended consequence. I think it's also rather a reach to claim that Trump's response to covid had the aim of destroying a particular ethnic group: yes, it disproportionately kills more African-americans however it's not really arguable that there is an ethnic group which has a greater than 50 % chance of death from covid. Calling Trump's response to the pandemic genocide is just plain wrong.

There's a caveat in murder charges for something called "depraved indifference." Without going into a ton of detail, a lot of historical genocides include that. Mostly this has been through not bothering to ensure that captive populations were fed. But access to medical care could easily qualify as well.

So while I wouldn't call this a genocide myself, your objection is basically nonsense.

[CoraSpia]

The definition of genocide includes a very important word: deliberate. Simply allowing for the maximum levels of freedom does not make for a 'deliberate' killing, rather deaths occur as an unintended consequence. I think it's also rather a reach to claim that Trump's response to covid had the aim of destroying a particular ethnic group: yes, it disproportionately kills more African-americans however it's not really arguable that there is an ethnic group which has a greater than 50 % chance of death from covid. Calling Trump's response to the pandemic genocide is just plain wrong.

There's a caveat in murder charges for something called "depraved indifference." Without going into a ton of detail, a lot of historical genocides include that. Mostly this has been through not bothering to ensure that captive populations were fed. But access to medical care could easily qualify as well.

So while I wouldn't call this a genocide myself, your objection is basically nonsense.

Who has been deprived of medical care? I always thought that in America medical care is a service that was bought either through insurance or far more expensively pay as you go. Is there some blacklist I don't know about?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

The definition of genocide includes a very important word: deliberate. Simply allowing for the maximum levels of freedom does not make for a 'deliberate' killing, rather deaths occur as an unintended consequence. I think it's also rather a reach to claim that Trump's response to covid had the aim of destroying a particular ethnic group: yes, it disproportionately kills more African-americans however it's not really arguable that there is an ethnic group which has a greater than 50 % chance of death from covid. Calling Trump's response to the pandemic genocide is just plain wrong.

There's a caveat in murder charges for something called "depraved indifference." Without going into a ton of detail, a lot of historical genocides include that. Mostly this has been through not bothering to ensure that captive populations were fed. But access to medical care could easily qualify as well.

So while I wouldn't call this a genocide myself, your objection is basically nonsense.

I dont literally think it counts as genocide to reopen everything. I call it the genocide approach because you'd basically kill alot of people in a short amount of time. The name emphasizes how horrific it would be. Of course killing random people by neglect isn't necessarily actual genocide. It's like when I'm in the gym and say "im gonna really murder my muscles today."

[Dogmeat]

There's a caveat in murder charges for something called "depraved indifference." Without going into a ton of detail, a lot of historical genocides include that. Mostly this has been through not bothering to ensure that captive populations were fed. But access to medical care could easily qualify as well.

So while I wouldn't call this a genocide myself, your objection is basically nonsense.

Who has been deprived of medical care? I always thought that in America medical care is a service that was bought either through insurance or far more expensively pay as you go. Is there some blacklist I don't know about?

Moving the goalpost there. I merely pointed out that "deliberate" isn't really a necessary qualifier. And that harping on that point was disingenuous.

I already said I wouldn't call this a genocide.

[CoraSpia]

There's a caveat in murder charges for something called "depraved indifference." Without going into a ton of detail, a lot of historical genocides include that. Mostly this has been through not bothering to ensure that captive populations were fed. But access to medical care could easily qualify as well.

So while I wouldn't call this a genocide myself, your objection is basically nonsense.

I dont literally think it counts as genocide to reopen everything. I call it the genocide approach because you'd basically kill alot of people in a short amount of time. The name emphasizes how horrific it would be. Of course killing random people by neglect isn't necessarily actual genocide. It's like when I'm in the gym and say "im gonna really murder my muscles today."

Trump just fell more on the economic side of the argument rather than the every life at any and all costs side of the argument. He wasn't trying to kill people, he just expected people to accept a far higher level of risk than a lot of them were happy with.

[Dogmeat]

There's a caveat in murder charges for something called "depraved indifference." Without going into a ton of detail, a lot of historical genocides include that. Mostly this has been through not bothering to ensure that captive populations were fed. But access to medical care could easily qualify as well.

So while I wouldn't call this a genocide myself, your objection is basically nonsense.

I dont literally think it counts as genocide to reopen everything. I call it the genocide approach because you'd basically kill alot of people in a short amount of time. The name emphasizes how horrific it would be. Of course killing random people by neglect isn't necessarily actual genocide. It's like when I'm in the gym and say "im gonna really murder my muscles today."

Again, I don't agree that it's genocide.

But the "deliberate" qualifier isn't a good one here. There are a lot of genocides that happen through indifference. Like when the British just decide to let certain ethnic groups under their rule starve to death.