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Should your country require everyone who can receive a COVID-19 vaccine to actually receive it?

YES
159
53%
YES, BUT there should also be exceptions for philosophical and religious reasons
20
7%
NO, BUT EMPLOYERS SHOULD DO SO THEMSELVES
15
5%
NO, BUT people should be incentivised towards taking, and/or away from not taking, a COVID-19 vaccine (perhaps through lotteries, vaccine passports, etc.)
41
14%
NO
67
22%
 
Total votes : 302

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Postby Grenartia » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:45 pm

Kannap wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
So just do it and dont make it take weeks.


Lumen, March 2020: Why don't we just end the pandemic now?


"Its less than 1% lethal, guise, why are we all freaking out? I wanna go to brunch!"
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:45 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Omfg no we couldn't have avoided variants with any of your plans. If anything they'd be worse because you've opposed any sort of action from the get-go and we've seen how well that worked in Brazil.

why would it be worse?


HOW DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THIS, WE'VE HAD A FULL YEAR TO LEARN ABOUT VIROLOGY EVEN IF YOU'RE A LAYPERSON
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:45 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Lumen, March 2020: Why don't we just end the pandemic now?


"Its less than 1% lethal, guise, why are we all freaking out? I wanna go to brunch!"


We didnt shut down the world for the 1957 or 1968 pandemic. it just ran its course.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:46 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
"Its less than 1% lethal, guise, why are we all freaking out? I wanna go to brunch!"


We didnt shut down the world for the 1957 or 1968 pandemic. it just ran its course.

If you want to live in Brazil with fuck all restrictions emigrate.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:48 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
"Its less than 1% lethal, guise, why are we all freaking out? I wanna go to brunch!"


We didnt shut down the world for the 1957 or 1968 pandemic. it just ran its course.


Yeah man just let it run it's course, it would have been dope to have 3.2 million dead Americans so you could go to your shitty Broadway shows.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:49 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Cutting corners on medicine is an atrocious idea, wtf.


The vaccine is already approved. Just approve the plant without any delay.

Why would you approve a plant that is not making a guaranteed safe and effective product?
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:49 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
The vaccine is already approved. Just approve the plant without any delay.

Why would you approve a plant that is not making a guaranteed safe and effective product?


Why wouldnt a company producing a vaccine not be doing so?

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Postby Grenartia » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:50 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
"Its less than 1% lethal, guise, why are we all freaking out? I wanna go to brunch!"


We didnt shut down the world for the 1957 or 1968 pandemic. it just ran its course.


And millions of people died in both cases. If people like you didn't insist on half-assing the response to this pandemic, millions of deaths from the current pandemic would have been avoided.
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Postby Necroghastia » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:50 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:This isn't Mao's 5 year plan of 1956 for gods' sake.


But if they don't then live theater and live sport might die a permanent death.

buddy i love live theater and let me fucking tell you
IT'S SHITTY, WHINY ATTITUDES THAT IGNORE THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION THAT ARE DOING MORE THAN ANYTHING TO MAKE IT "DIE A PERMANENT DEATH."
YOU WANT TO KEEP SPORTS AND THEATRE AROUND?
THEN FUCKING ACCEPT AND DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO CONTROL THE SITUATION
INSTEAD OF IGNORING IT
BECAUSE IF WE ALL THOUGHT LIKE YOU AND IGNORED IT
THIS SHIT WILL NEVER
FUCKING
END
GOD DAMN
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:50 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Why would you approve a plant that is not making a guaranteed safe and effective product?


Why wouldnt a company producing a vaccine not be doing so?


Honest question but do you know what capitalism is?
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:51 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
But if they don't then live theater and live sport might die a permanent death.

buddy i love live theater and let me fucking tell you
IT'S SHITTY, WHINY ATTITUDES THAT IGNORE THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION THAT ARE DOING MORE THAN ANYTHING TO MAKE IT "DIE A PERMANENT DEATH."
YOU WANT TO KEEP SPORTS AND THEATRE AROUND?
THEN FUCKING ACCEPT AND DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO CONTROL THE SITUATION
INSTEAD OF IGNORING IT
BECAUSE IF WE ALL THOUGHT LIKE YOU AND IGNORED IT
THIS SHIT WILL NEVER
FUCKING
END
GOD DAMN


all pandemics end.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:52 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:buddy i love live theater and let me fucking tell you
IT'S SHITTY, WHINY ATTITUDES THAT IGNORE THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION THAT ARE DOING MORE THAN ANYTHING TO MAKE IT "DIE A PERMANENT DEATH."
YOU WANT TO KEEP SPORTS AND THEATRE AROUND?
THEN FUCKING ACCEPT AND DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO CONTROL THE SITUATION
INSTEAD OF IGNORING IT
BECAUSE IF WE ALL THOUGHT LIKE YOU AND IGNORED IT
THIS SHIT WILL NEVER
FUCKING
END
GOD DAMN


all pandemics end.

People with your mindset is frankly why humanity will be assdestroyed by the next Black Death event.
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:52 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
We didnt shut down the world for the 1957 or 1968 pandemic. it just ran its course.


Yeah man just let it run it's course, it would have been dope to have 3.2 million dead Americans so you could go to your shitty Broadway shows.


Seriously, Lumen, your stereotypical bougie indifference to the suffering of the common person is on blatant display here. As is your woeful and willful lack of scientific literacy. None of those things paint you in a very flattering light. Reevaluate your stance and make a complete 180.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:52 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Why would you approve a plant that is not making a guaranteed safe and effective product?


Why wouldnt a company producing a vaccine not be doing so?

Not be doing what? If the plant can't pass certification by definition its not making the product properly
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:53 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:buddy i love live theater and let me fucking tell you
IT'S SHITTY, WHINY ATTITUDES THAT IGNORE THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION THAT ARE DOING MORE THAN ANYTHING TO MAKE IT "DIE A PERMANENT DEATH."
YOU WANT TO KEEP SPORTS AND THEATRE AROUND?
THEN FUCKING ACCEPT AND DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO CONTROL THE SITUATION
INSTEAD OF IGNORING IT
BECAUSE IF WE ALL THOUGHT LIKE YOU AND IGNORED IT
THIS SHIT WILL NEVER
FUCKING
END
GOD DAMN


all pandemics end.


Literally not true. Like, there's an entire term for it and everything. Why do you think we still get Chicken Pox and shit? It went endemic.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:53 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:buddy i love live theater and let me fucking tell you
IT'S SHITTY, WHINY ATTITUDES THAT IGNORE THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION THAT ARE DOING MORE THAN ANYTHING TO MAKE IT "DIE A PERMANENT DEATH."
YOU WANT TO KEEP SPORTS AND THEATRE AROUND?
THEN FUCKING ACCEPT AND DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO CONTROL THE SITUATION
INSTEAD OF IGNORING IT
BECAUSE IF WE ALL THOUGHT LIKE YOU AND IGNORED IT
THIS SHIT WILL NEVER
FUCKING
END
GOD DAMN


all pandemics end.

Delayed gratification, Lumen.
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Postby Necroghastia » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:53 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:buddy i love live theater and let me fucking tell you
IT'S SHITTY, WHINY ATTITUDES THAT IGNORE THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION THAT ARE DOING MORE THAN ANYTHING TO MAKE IT "DIE A PERMANENT DEATH."
YOU WANT TO KEEP SPORTS AND THEATRE AROUND?
THEN FUCKING ACCEPT AND DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO CONTROL THE SITUATION
INSTEAD OF IGNORING IT
BECAUSE IF WE ALL THOUGHT LIKE YOU AND IGNORED IT
THIS SHIT WILL NEVER
FUCKING
END
GOD DAMN


all pandemics end.

And your "positions" (which is a hell of a stretch to call them, because you don't want to actually *do* anything) do piss fucking all to be conducive to that.
Everything you've advocated would only draw the goddamn thing out.
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:54 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
But if they don't then live theater and live sport might die a permanent death.

buddy i love live theater and let me fucking tell you
IT'S SHITTY, WHINY ATTITUDES THAT IGNORE THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION THAT ARE DOING MORE THAN ANYTHING TO MAKE IT "DIE A PERMANENT DEATH."
YOU WANT TO KEEP SPORTS AND THEATRE AROUND?
THEN FUCKING ACCEPT AND DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO CONTROL THE SITUATION
INSTEAD OF IGNORING IT
BECAUSE IF WE ALL THOUGHT LIKE YOU AND IGNORED IT
THIS SHIT WILL NEVER
FUCKING
END
GOD DAMN


Something tells me the only way to get him to care about the unnecessary deaths he's wishing to happen is if they all happened to broadway actors and producers. Lord knows he doesn't even give a shit about the backstage crew.
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Postby Luminesa » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:55 pm

Grenartia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
So just do it and dont make it take weeks.


Brilliant fucking idea! Why were you the only person to think of that?

Like, seriously, do you honestly think its that fucking easy?

Did you forget that incident a few years back when some medicine was tainted with some kind of fungus and a bunch of people got an entirely new form of meningitis because of it?

...I actually wasn't aware of this but that's horrifying.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:55 pm

Let me put it like this: How well did "let the virus run its course" work out for Sweden?
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Postby Luminesa » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:56 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
But if they don't then live theater and live sport might die a permanent death.

buddy i love live theater and let me fucking tell you
IT'S SHITTY, WHINY ATTITUDES THAT IGNORE THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION THAT ARE DOING MORE THAN ANYTHING TO MAKE IT "DIE A PERMANENT DEATH."
YOU WANT TO KEEP SPORTS AND THEATRE AROUND?
THEN FUCKING ACCEPT AND DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO CONTROL THE SITUATION
INSTEAD OF IGNORING IT
BECAUSE IF WE ALL THOUGHT LIKE YOU AND IGNORED IT
THIS SHIT WILL NEVER
FUCKING
END
GOD DAMN

Take a breath, Necro. I know it's frustrating.
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"I'm just a singer of simple songs, I'm not a real political man. I watch CNN, but I'm not sure I can tell you the difference in Iraq and Iran. But I know Jesus, and I talk to God, and I remember this from when I was young:
faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us...
and the greatest is love."
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Help the Ukrainian people, here's some sources!
Help bring home First Nation girls! Now with more ways to help!
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:57 pm

Vassenor wrote:Let me put it like this: How well did "let the virus run its course" work out for Sweden?

If you want to shit on somebody as an agent provocateur there's better targets than Sweden... like Brazil.
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:58 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Brilliant fucking idea! Why were you the only person to think of that?

Like, seriously, do you honestly think its that fucking easy?

Did you forget that incident a few years back when some medicine was tainted with some kind of fungus and a bunch of people got an entirely new form of meningitis because of it?

...I actually wasn't aware of this but that's horrifying.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Compounding_Center_meningitis_outbreak

Yep. I remember it being all over the news several years ago.
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Postby Nakena » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:59 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:buddy i love live theater and let me fucking tell you
IT'S SHITTY, WHINY ATTITUDES THAT IGNORE THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION THAT ARE DOING MORE THAN ANYTHING TO MAKE IT "DIE A PERMANENT DEATH."
YOU WANT TO KEEP SPORTS AND THEATRE AROUND?
THEN FUCKING ACCEPT AND DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO CONTROL THE SITUATION
INSTEAD OF IGNORING IT
BECAUSE IF WE ALL THOUGHT LIKE YOU AND IGNORED IT
THIS SHIT WILL NEVER
FUCKING
END
GOD DAMN


Something tells me the only way to get him to care about the unnecessary deaths he's wishing to happen is if they all happened to broadway actors and producers. Lord knows he doesn't even give a shit about the backstage crew.


Something tells me that sometimes you aren't dealing with rational actors who think the stuff they say to their consequence and to the end.

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Postby San Lumen » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:00 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:buddy i love live theater and let me fucking tell you
IT'S SHITTY, WHINY ATTITUDES THAT IGNORE THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION THAT ARE DOING MORE THAN ANYTHING TO MAKE IT "DIE A PERMANENT DEATH."
YOU WANT TO KEEP SPORTS AND THEATRE AROUND?
THEN FUCKING ACCEPT AND DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO CONTROL THE SITUATION
INSTEAD OF IGNORING IT
BECAUSE IF WE ALL THOUGHT LIKE YOU AND IGNORED IT
THIS SHIT WILL NEVER
FUCKING
END
GOD DAMN


Something tells me the only way to get him to care about the unnecessary deaths he's wishing to happen is if they all happened to broadway actors and producers. Lord knows he doesn't even give a shit about the backstage crew.


why didnt we shut down the world in 1957 or 1968?

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