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Should your country require everyone who can receive a COVID-19 vaccine to actually receive it?

YES
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YES, BUT there should also be exceptions for philosophical and religious reasons
20
7%
NO, BUT EMPLOYERS SHOULD DO SO THEMSELVES
15
5%
NO, BUT people should be incentivised towards taking, and/or away from not taking, a COVID-19 vaccine (perhaps through lotteries, vaccine passports, etc.)
41
14%
NO
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Total votes : 302

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Postby Kowani » Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:24 pm

Next lockdown: Ontario

Ontario on Thursday will begin a four-week stay-at-home order and close in-store shopping for non-essential retailers, Premier Doug Ford said on Wednesday, as the Canadian province battles a surge of COVID-19 cases.

"The situation is extremely serious. We need to hunker down right now," Ford said at a briefing in Toronto.

"What we do until we start achieving mass immunization will be the difference between life and death for thousands of people," he said.

The order requires people in Canada's most populous province to stay in their residences except for essential reasons, including exercise, vaccination appointments or grocery trips.

Last week, Ontario shuttered all indoor and outdoor dining, a move that fell short of what the government's expert advisory panel said was necessary to avoid catastrophically high COVID-19 case numbers.

As of Thursday, all retailers except grocery stores, pharmacies and sellers of gardening supplies will close for four weeks, although curbside pickup will be allowed. Big box stores can remain open, but with capacity limits and only certain products including groceries, pharmacy and gardening materials available for in-store purchase. Industry groups had criticized Ford for allowing big box stores to remain open during past lockdowns while shutting small businesses.

Retailers considered essential can open for in-store shopping by appointment only. These include medical device supply and repair shops, optical stores and auto mechanics.
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Postby Xmara » Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:35 pm

Kowani wrote:Next lockdown: Ontario

Ontario on Thursday will begin a four-week stay-at-home order and close in-store shopping for non-essential retailers, Premier Doug Ford said on Wednesday, as the Canadian province battles a surge of COVID-19 cases.

"The situation is extremely serious. We need to hunker down right now," Ford said at a briefing in Toronto.

"What we do until we start achieving mass immunization will be the difference between life and death for thousands of people," he said.

The order requires people in Canada's most populous province to stay in their residences except for essential reasons, including exercise, vaccination appointments or grocery trips.

Last week, Ontario shuttered all indoor and outdoor dining, a move that fell short of what the government's expert advisory panel said was necessary to avoid catastrophically high COVID-19 case numbers.

As of Thursday, all retailers except grocery stores, pharmacies and sellers of gardening supplies will close for four weeks, although curbside pickup will be allowed. Big box stores can remain open, but with capacity limits and only certain products including groceries, pharmacy and gardening materials available for in-store purchase. Industry groups had criticized Ford for allowing big box stores to remain open during past lockdowns while shutting small businesses.

Retailers considered essential can open for in-store shopping by appointment only. These include medical device supply and repair shops, optical stores and auto mechanics.

Have any US states gone into lockdown? If not, I wonder how long until it happens since Ontario is doing lockdown.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:39 pm

Xmara wrote:
Kowani wrote:Next lockdown: Ontario

Ontario on Thursday will begin a four-week stay-at-home order and close in-store shopping for non-essential retailers, Premier Doug Ford said on Wednesday, as the Canadian province battles a surge of COVID-19 cases.

"The situation is extremely serious. We need to hunker down right now," Ford said at a briefing in Toronto.

"What we do until we start achieving mass immunization will be the difference between life and death for thousands of people," he said.

The order requires people in Canada's most populous province to stay in their residences except for essential reasons, including exercise, vaccination appointments or grocery trips.

Last week, Ontario shuttered all indoor and outdoor dining, a move that fell short of what the government's expert advisory panel said was necessary to avoid catastrophically high COVID-19 case numbers.

As of Thursday, all retailers except grocery stores, pharmacies and sellers of gardening supplies will close for four weeks, although curbside pickup will be allowed. Big box stores can remain open, but with capacity limits and only certain products including groceries, pharmacy and gardening materials available for in-store purchase. Industry groups had criticized Ford for allowing big box stores to remain open during past lockdowns while shutting small businesses.

Retailers considered essential can open for in-store shopping by appointment only. These include medical device supply and repair shops, optical stores and auto mechanics.

Have any US states gone into lockdown? If not, I wonder how long until it happens since Ontario is doing lockdown.

Technically, we had a "shelter-in-place" order here in Cali back in the beginning of the pandemic, but those aren't really the same thing
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:34 pm

Kowani wrote:Next lockdown: Ontario

Ontario on Thursday will begin a four-week stay-at-home order and close in-store shopping for non-essential retailers, Premier Doug Ford said on Wednesday, as the Canadian province battles a surge of COVID-19 cases.

"The situation is extremely serious. We need to hunker down right now," Ford said at a briefing in Toronto.

"What we do until we start achieving mass immunization will be the difference between life and death for thousands of people," he said.

The order requires people in Canada's most populous province to stay in their residences except for essential reasons, including exercise, vaccination appointments or grocery trips.

Last week, Ontario shuttered all indoor and outdoor dining, a move that fell short of what the government's expert advisory panel said was necessary to avoid catastrophically high COVID-19 case numbers.

As of Thursday, all retailers except grocery stores, pharmacies and sellers of gardening supplies will close for four weeks, although curbside pickup will be allowed. Big box stores can remain open, but with capacity limits and only certain products including groceries, pharmacy and gardening materials available for in-store purchase. Industry groups had criticized Ford for allowing big box stores to remain open during past lockdowns while shutting small businesses.

Retailers considered essential can open for in-store shopping by appointment only. These include medical device supply and repair shops, optical stores and auto mechanics.

I truly despise the term essential business.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:34 pm

Xmara wrote:
Kowani wrote:Next lockdown: Ontario

Ontario on Thursday will begin a four-week stay-at-home order and close in-store shopping for non-essential retailers, Premier Doug Ford said on Wednesday, as the Canadian province battles a surge of COVID-19 cases.

"The situation is extremely serious. We need to hunker down right now," Ford said at a briefing in Toronto.

"What we do until we start achieving mass immunization will be the difference between life and death for thousands of people," he said.

The order requires people in Canada's most populous province to stay in their residences except for essential reasons, including exercise, vaccination appointments or grocery trips.

Last week, Ontario shuttered all indoor and outdoor dining, a move that fell short of what the government's expert advisory panel said was necessary to avoid catastrophically high COVID-19 case numbers.

As of Thursday, all retailers except grocery stores, pharmacies and sellers of gardening supplies will close for four weeks, although curbside pickup will be allowed. Big box stores can remain open, but with capacity limits and only certain products including groceries, pharmacy and gardening materials available for in-store purchase. Industry groups had criticized Ford for allowing big box stores to remain open during past lockdowns while shutting small businesses.

Retailers considered essential can open for in-store shopping by appointment only. These include medical device supply and repair shops, optical stores and auto mechanics.

Have any US states gone into lockdown? If not, I wonder how long until it happens since Ontario is doing lockdown.


With the current 3rd wave ongoing in the US, it could happen any time. Whether Americans actually comply will be another matter entirely. I doubt many will accept another lockdown so, if you're going to disregard gov't guidelines, at least fucking wear a mask, social distance and for the love of fuck, get vaccinated ASAP. (that ''you'' isn't aimed at you personally, Xmara <3.)
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:35 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Xmara wrote:Have any US states gone into lockdown? If not, I wonder how long until it happens since Ontario is doing lockdown.


With the current 3rd wave ongoing in the US, it could happen any time. Whether Americans actually comply will be another matter entirely. I doubt many will accept another lockdown so, if you're going to disregard gov't guidelines, at least fucking wear a mask, social distance and for the love of fuck, get vaccinated ASAP. (that ''you'' isn't aimed at you personally, Xmara <3.)

Lockdown after lockdown isn’t the answer. Life must eventually resume.

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Postby North Washington Republic » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:41 pm

I find it interesting that Russia, which has provide vaccines to other countries still has a very low vaccination rate. I would like to compare Serbia, which Spunik V(the name of the Russia vaccine) has been a popular choose amongst the population. And Serbia has a higher vaccination rate than Russia. Is vaccine disinformation so strong in Russia that the population is even rejecting their own vaccine? With Russia being ultra-nationalist, I would have thought they would be vaccinating their population on mass before shipping doses to other countries.

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Postby North Washington Republic » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:43 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
With the current 3rd wave ongoing in the US, it could happen any time. Whether Americans actually comply will be another matter entirely. I doubt many will accept another lockdown so, if you're going to disregard gov't guidelines, at least fucking wear a mask, social distance and for the love of fuck, get vaccinated ASAP. (that ''you'' isn't aimed at you personally, Xmara <3.)

Lockdown after lockdown isn’t the answer. Life must eventually resume.


No, but we can be smart on how to reopen, we need to be slow and steady.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:44 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:I find it interesting that Russia, which has provide vaccines to other countries still has a very low vaccination rate. I would like to compare Serbia, which Spunik V(the name of the Russia vaccine) has been a popular choose amongst the population. And Serbia has a higher vaccination rate than Russia. Is vaccine disinformation so strong in Russia that the population is even rejecting their own vaccine? With Russia being ultra-nationalist, I would have thought they would be vaccinating their population on mass before shipping doses to other countries.

Source: https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

To be fair, I think pretty much everyone was skeptical of the obviously rushed-out Russian vaccine.

Probably better than nothing, but I wouldn't take it over the Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, or even AstraZeneca vaccines.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:47 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:I find it interesting that Russia, which has provide vaccines to other countries still has a very low vaccination rate. I would like to compare Serbia, which Spunik V(the name of the Russia vaccine) has been a popular choose amongst the population. And Serbia has a higher vaccination rate than Russia. Is vaccine disinformation so strong in Russia that the population is even rejecting their own vaccine? With Russia being ultra-nationalist, I would have thought they would be vaccinating their population on mass before shipping doses to other countries.

Source: https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

To be fair, I think pretty much everyone was skeptical of the obviously rushed-out Russian vaccine.

Probably better than nothing, but I wouldn't take it over the Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, or even AstraZeneca vaccines.


I would have guessed that the Russians would be willing and very eager to get themselves vaccinated with their own vaccine.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:48 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:To be fair, I think pretty much everyone was skeptical of the obviously rushed-out Russian vaccine.

Probably better than nothing, but I wouldn't take it over the Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, or even AstraZeneca vaccines.


I would have guessed that the Russians would be willing and very eager to get themselves vaccinated with their own vaccine.

I think the Russians have more experience than most at dealing with inferior Russian products.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:01 pm

I note that on many socialmedia people are mocking the J&J vaccine.

Does J&J have a reputation for being cheap and shoddy in the USA ?
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Postby North Washington Republic » Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:10 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:I note that on many socialmedia people are mocking the J&J vaccine.

Does J&J have a reputation for being cheap and shoddy in the USA ?


I received the J&J vaccine. So did Minnesota’s Governor, our current health commissioner and a former Governor.

The J&J is safe and effective:
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Postby Bombadil » Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:50 pm

I'll get my first jab this Saturday - Pfizer - not out of much sense of urgency but just.. get it done..

As with everything it's all a little political, which is a little ridiculous because on the face of it the choice is:

1. Go with a vaccine that has high efficacy, and lasts
2. Go with a vaccine not approved by the WHO, has low to medium efficacy, lasts only 6 months, didn't release phase 3 trial results..

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Postby Rusozak » Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:03 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:I note that on many socialmedia people are mocking the J&J vaccine.

Does J&J have a reputation for being cheap and shoddy in the USA ?


I mean, their "no tears" shampoo is a load of BS but I don't think they really have any muddied reputation. Most of their name brands are nearly synonymous with the product itself (band-aid, Tylenol, Neosporin, etc.) I'll admit I never paid attention to the company behind a vaccine before Covid, but I can't find anything on J&J that warrants such criticism.
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Postby The 189 » Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:27 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:I note that on many socialmedia people are mocking the J&J vaccine.

Does J&J have a reputation for being cheap and shoddy in the USA ?


I think some people are speculating that getting only one shot means it's a half-ass vaccine, or that it's being used more in minority communities because it's not as good. AFAIK, people are just spreading bullshit and there's nothing actually wrong with the vaccine.
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Postby The 189 » Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:29 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
With the current 3rd wave ongoing in the US, it could happen any time. Whether Americans actually comply will be another matter entirely. I doubt many will accept another lockdown so, if you're going to disregard gov't guidelines, at least fucking wear a mask, social distance and for the love of fuck, get vaccinated ASAP. (that ''you'' isn't aimed at you personally, Xmara <3.)

Lockdown after lockdown isn’t the answer. Life must eventually resume.


Nobody's saying lockdowns forever. Jesus fuck, man. Even if we have one it'll just be till more people get vaccinated.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:39 pm

The 189 wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:I note that on many socialmedia people are mocking the J&J vaccine.

Does J&J have a reputation for being cheap and shoddy in the USA ?


I think some people are speculating that getting only one shot means it's a half-ass vaccine, or that it's being used more in minority communities because it's not as good. AFAIK, people are just spreading bullshit and there's nothing actually wrong with the vaccine.

The memes seem.to be more rooted in the brand - like it being an "Aldi vaccine", which implies that J&J as a brand has a "budget" reputation.

Personally I think one shot is great.
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Postby The 189 » Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:42 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
The 189 wrote:
I think some people are speculating that getting only one shot means it's a half-ass vaccine, or that it's being used more in minority communities because it's not as good. AFAIK, people are just spreading bullshit and there's nothing actually wrong with the vaccine.

The memes seem.to be more rooted in the brand - like it being an "Aldi vaccine", which implies that J&J as a brand has a "budget" reputation.

Personally I think one shot is great.


A lot of their products are more everyday things, not high-tech cutting edge stuff.

But still, AFAIK the vaccine is fine. If I get a choice if which vaccine to get the convenience of the one shot is tempting.
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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:43 pm

Exclusive: Britain will achieve herd immunity on Monday

Wow! Really? This is amazing!

I believe Britain is reopening at exactly the right pace. Not too fast. Not too slow.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:49 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
I would have guessed that the Russians would be willing and very eager to get themselves vaccinated with their own vaccine.

I think the Russians have more experience than most at dealing with inferior Russian products.

It's 91% effective
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For a nationalist, Bolsonaro seems not to give a damn about his own people.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:48 am

Bloody anti-vaxxers going nuts about the Covid vaccine. I say that we should show all school children a simulation of living in a iron lung to help weed out the movement in the next generation. I know someone who has compared the unknown consequences of the vaccine to thermaldahide, which I'm not sure if that's a fair comparison. On the ine hand, the vaccine was rushed and we don't know the long term effects of it, but on the hand, we've had 60 years of advancement in medical knowledge since then
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