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Should your country require everyone who can receive a COVID-19 vaccine to actually receive it?

YES
159
53%
YES, BUT there should also be exceptions for philosophical and religious reasons
20
7%
NO, BUT EMPLOYERS SHOULD DO SO THEMSELVES
15
5%
NO, BUT people should be incentivised towards taking, and/or away from not taking, a COVID-19 vaccine (perhaps through lotteries, vaccine passports, etc.)
41
14%
NO
67
22%
 
Total votes : 302

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In states where testing for COVID-19 within prisons was limited, rates of death among incarcerated people were nearly eight times the rate for non-incarcerated populations of similar age, gender and race-a disparity cut in half by implementing widespread testing

As of February 16, 2021, one of every three prisoners in 32 states with available testing data tested positive for COVID-19 – more than four times the rate outside of prisons. Additionally, the COVID-19 death rate inside prisons is more than three times the community rate.
There was substantial variation across state prison systems in testing rates. Of the 32 states, three had testing rates of 1,000 per 1,000 individuals incarcerated, or lower (less than one test per person), while six had rates of 10,000 or higher (10 or more tests per individual).
Higher testing rates and, in particular, mass testing, especially in states that implemented this strategy early in the pandemic, likely resulted in lower rates of COVID-19 mortality behind bars. It is possible that early detection of coronavirus infections led to more and better prevention and treatment measures that improved outcomes.
States with lower disparities between prison and community death rates tested prison residents at rates that were nearly double those of states with higher prison/community disparities. Positivity rates for lower-disparity states were almost half as high.
States that did not use a mass-testing strategy for their incarcerated populations had COVID-19 death rates among incarcerated people that were nearly eight times the death rate for non-incarcerated populations similar in age, gender, and race/ethnicity. This disparity was cut in half in states that implemented a mass testing strategy.
Four states that carried out mass testing – Colorado, Connecticut, Michigan, and Vermont – varied in their specific protocols but had relatively good COVID-19 outcomes compared to other state prison systems.
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Postby New Visayan Islands » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:03 am

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Data for PH as of April 4th, 1600 PHT/0400 EDT.

Detailed update in Tagalog. Key data to consider:
  • 26624 people were tested, with a 22.7% positivity rate. That's 6044 positive results for SARS-CoV-2 if you did the math and rounded off to the nearest whole person because 6043.648 is the exact amount.
  • 11028 people were added to the "I have The Coof" tally.
  • 41205 people moved to the "I survived The Coof" tally, and 2 people croaked.


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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:43 am

Sharania wrote:Thanks to right-wing strongmen in charge Poland is a mess - a spike in Covid deaths, not enough ventilators, ambulances waiting for hours or having to go hundreds of miles. A region of Silesia is in a freefall.

It's as if right-wing authoritarians suck at handling crises all over the globe and just deny the reality.


Singapore's doing extremely well from what I've gathered. Local transmission has practically ceased since c. Nov-Dec. 2020.

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Ethel mermania wrote:And this is why France is going into a third lockdown.


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Postby Australian rePublic » Mon Apr 05, 2021 6:32 am


**sigh**

And yet an other nail in the coffin of my faith in my faith in humanity. I don't know how many more nails possibly fit. How did humans as a species take over the Earth given how mind-numbingly stupid we are?

**sigh**
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Australian rePublic wrote:

**sigh**

And yet an other nail in the coffin of my faith in my faith in humanity. I don't know how many more nails possibly fit. How did humans as a species take over the Earth given how mind-numbingly stupid we are?

**sigh**

I don't think I want to know; going through the comments every time I see a daily update from local news sites does make me worry too much for my compatriots. Too many people harping about conspiracy theories and all that.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Apr 05, 2021 8:39 am

I get my first dose of the Moderna vaccine this afternoon and I’m a bit anxious.
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Postby Shazbotdom » Mon Apr 05, 2021 8:41 am

Kowani wrote:In states where testing for COVID-19 within prisons was limited, rates of death among incarcerated people were nearly eight times the rate for non-incarcerated populations of similar age, gender and race-a disparity cut in half by implementing widespread testing

As of February 16, 2021, one of every three prisoners in 32 states with available testing data tested positive for COVID-19 – more than four times the rate outside of prisons. Additionally, the COVID-19 death rate inside prisons is more than three times the community rate.
There was substantial variation across state prison systems in testing rates. Of the 32 states, three had testing rates of 1,000 per 1,000 individuals incarcerated, or lower (less than one test per person), while six had rates of 10,000 or higher (10 or more tests per individual).
Higher testing rates and, in particular, mass testing, especially in states that implemented this strategy early in the pandemic, likely resulted in lower rates of COVID-19 mortality behind bars. It is possible that early detection of coronavirus infections led to more and better prevention and treatment measures that improved outcomes.
States with lower disparities between prison and community death rates tested prison residents at rates that were nearly double those of states with higher prison/community disparities. Positivity rates for lower-disparity states were almost half as high.
States that did not use a mass-testing strategy for their incarcerated populations had COVID-19 death rates among incarcerated people that were nearly eight times the death rate for non-incarcerated populations similar in age, gender, and race/ethnicity. This disparity was cut in half in states that implemented a mass testing strategy.
Four states that carried out mass testing – Colorado, Connecticut, Michigan, and Vermont – varied in their specific protocols but had relatively good COVID-19 outcomes compared to other state prison systems.


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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:39 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I get my first dose of the Moderna vaccine this afternoon and I’m a bit anxious.

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Postby Sky Reavers » Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:30 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I get my first dose of the Moderna vaccine this afternoon and I’m a bit anxious.


May it go well and smooth for ya', and may ya' live untouched by COVID-19.

And now, I am gonna tell ya'll, what is happenin' in good ol' Kiev. From today, quarantine is gettin' stricter, so if ya' don't have any special pass, no public transport for ya'. Special passes are issued at workplaces, although I heared a rumor, that some folks are sellin' forged ones too. So far Corona situation ain't good in Ukraine, cases are rising, don't know why though.

As for vaccination, I caught covid myself in the end of december, right before new year. Mild form, started with coughing and rising temperature, then I had some fever for one night. Three days, and temperature is back to normal, but instead I got some sore throat, and smell was gone. Like really gone. Couldn't feel shit. Luckily taste sense didn't disappear, but got more basic. After all, smell and taste are interconnected. After some time, I fully got rid of all symptoms. So far, no lasting damage, or I belive so. So I wonder, should I still get the vaccine? Or perhaps...*

*-Disclaimer: This is my case, other may vary from asympthomatic to lethal, this is an unpredictible disease, so take care and watch your six, folks! Keep calm and carry on.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:14 pm

Sky Reavers wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I get my first dose of the Moderna vaccine this afternoon and I’m a bit anxious.


May it go well and smooth for ya', and may ya' live untouched by COVID-19.

And now, I am gonna tell ya'll, what is happenin' in good ol' Kiev. From today, quarantine is gettin' stricter, so if ya' don't have any special pass, no public transport for ya'. Special passes are issued at workplaces, although I heared a rumor, that some folks are sellin' forged ones too. So far Corona situation ain't good in Ukraine, cases are rising, don't know why though.

As for vaccination, I caught covid myself in the end of december, right before new year. Mild form, started with coughing and rising temperature, then I had some fever for one night. Three days, and temperature is back to normal, but instead I got some sore throat, and smell was gone. Like really gone. Couldn't feel shit. Luckily taste sense didn't disappear, but got more basic. After all, smell and taste are interconnected. After some time, I fully got rid of all symptoms. So far, no lasting damage, or I belive so. So I wonder, should I still get the vaccine? Or perhaps...*

*-Disclaimer: This is my case, other may vary from asympthomatic to lethal, this is an unpredictible disease, so take care and watch your six, folks! Keep calm and carry on.


It did and the way the center was doing it was pretty smooth and fast. I was out of there in 20-25 minutes. From the time I got my vaccine to the 15 minutes you wait in observation.
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Postby Sky Reavers » Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:17 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:It did and the way the center was doing it was pretty smooth and fast. I was out of there in 20-25 minutes. From the time I got my vaccine to the 15 minutes you wait in observation.


Now, how do ya' feel about gettin' a vaccine? Either way, I am glad there gonna be at least one possible covid case less in this world. Or maybe not just one... And may the vaccine work without any hitch.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:19 pm

Sky Reavers wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:It did and the way the center was doing it was pretty smooth and fast. I was out of there in 20-25 minutes. From the time I got my vaccine to the 15 minutes you wait in observation.


Now, how do ya' feel about gettin' a vaccine? Either way, I am glad there gonna be at least one possible covid case less in this world. Or maybe not one...


I feel fine. It’s what one does in order to also protect one’s loved ones.

I had CoVID19 two months ago or so, but it was mild. I decided to get vaccinated anyway.
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Postby Sky Reavers » Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:25 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I feel fine. It’s what one does in order to also protect one’s loved ones.

I had CoVID19 two months ago or so, but it was mild. I decided to get vaccinated anyway.


High morale - this is what keeps ya' sane and strong during pandemic.

And mild case... did ya' lose your sense of smell too? Or got luckier than me? Hope it has no lasting effects.

Judging from the sort of vaccine ya' got, I assume, you live in good ol' USA.
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Postby Ayytaly » Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:27 pm

I think AZ is gonna kill me. I've been getting chills.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:34 pm

Sky Reavers wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I feel fine. It’s what one does in order to also protect one’s loved ones.

I had CoVID19 two months ago or so, but it was mild. I decided to get vaccinated anyway.


High morale - this is what keeps ya' sane and strong during pandemic.

And mild case... did ya' lose your sense of smell too? Or got luckier than me? Hope it has no lasting effects.

Judging from the sort of vaccine ya' got, I assume, you live in good ol' USA.


Thankfully I didn’t lose my sense of smell or taste. I coughed a lot, with chest tightness and moderate aches to my body. Ran a low grade fever for a few days. Cough lingered for several weeks after I was cleared. Nothing more severe than that. I know I was lucky.

And yes, I do live in the US.
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Postby Sky Reavers » Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:47 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Thankfully I didn’t lose my sense of smell or taste. I coughed a lot, with chest tightness and moderate aches to my body. Ran a low grade fever for a few days. Cough lingered for several weeks after I was cleared. Nothing more severe than that. I know I was lucky.

And yes, I do live in the US.


I used deduction. Moderna is an american brand of vaccine, so I assumed that ya' live in good ol' USA. But I doubt, that I can deduce the state you reside it.

As for symptoms... yes, I too had some aches at the first day. Didn't have chest tightness, and had lil' bit of fever for three days, then it was gone. And I had a cough for three weeks total. I am glad, you didn't lose your smell. As for mine, my smell had fully recovered in two-three weeks, or so I remember.

And since ya' never lost smell or taste... had ya' ever considered going to Las Vegas and making a bet? After pandemic ends of course. With your luck, you could earn some money. If ya' don't push it.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:10 pm

Ayytaly wrote:I think AZ is gonna kill me. I've been getting chills.


Good. It means it's working. The chills bit, not the death bit.

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