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Should your country require everyone who can receive a COVID-19 vaccine to actually receive it?

YES
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YES, BUT there should also be exceptions for philosophical and religious reasons
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7%
NO, BUT EMPLOYERS SHOULD DO SO THEMSELVES
15
5%
NO, BUT people should be incentivised towards taking, and/or away from not taking, a COVID-19 vaccine (perhaps through lotteries, vaccine passports, etc.)
41
14%
NO
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Postby Kowani » Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:39 am

The US has officially passed 100m shots in 58 days, which is 42 days ahead of schedule

The Biden administration Friday officially surpassed its goal of injecting 100 million vaccine doses in his first 100 days, more than a month before his target date of his 100th day in office, as the president prepared to set his sights higher in the nationwide vaccination effort.

The nation is now administering about 2.5 million shots per day. Biden, who promised to set a new goal for vaccinations next week, teased the possibility of setting a 200 million dose goal by his 100th day in office.
[...]The 100 million-dose goal was first announced on Dec. 8, days before the U.S. had even one authorized vaccine for COVID-19, let alone the three that have now received emergency authorization. Still, it was generally seen within reach, if optimistic.

By the time Biden was inaugurated on Jan. 20, the U.S. had already administered 20 million shots at a rate of about 1 million per day, bringing complaints at the time that Biden’s goal was not ambitious enough. He later revised it upward to 150 million doses in his first 100 days.

Now, the vaccination pace is expected to dramatically rise later this month in conjunction with an expected increase in supply of the vaccines — putting a 200 million dose goal well within reach.

The president has moved to speed up deliveries of vaccines from Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson, as well as to expand the number of places to get shots and people who can administer them, with a focus on increasing the nation’s capacity to inject doses as supply constraints lift.
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So if most of the known variants come from the UK when do we start calling it the British Virus?
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Postby The Free Joy State » Sat Mar 20, 2021 4:12 am

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So if most of the known variants come from the UK when do we start calling it the British Virus?

Actually four come from the UK, four from the US. But the point of this would be what exactly? Besides cheap political point-scoring, a useful tool for populist propagandists and a further distraction from the far more pressing issue of actually curing the virus (or at least making it something mankind can live alongside)?

No different to Trump's use of the pejorative "China Virus" to score cheap political points, whip crowds into a frenzy and distract from his own dreadful handling of the pandemic.

Why attempt to sow division when humanity should be -- as teams have on vaccines that will hopefully prove to be our salvation -- attempting to work together?
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Mar 20, 2021 4:18 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So if most of the known variants come from the UK when do we start calling it the British Virus?

Actually four come from the UK, four from the US. But the point of this would be what exactly? Besides cheap political point-scoring, a useful tool for populist propagandists and a further distraction from the far more pressing issue of actually curing the virus (or at least making it something mankind can live alongside)?

No different to Trump's use of the pejorative "China Virus" to score cheap political points, whip crowds into a frenzy and distract from his own dreadful handling of the pandemic.

Why attempt to sow division when humanity should be -- as teams have on vaccines that will hopefully prove to be our salvation -- attempting to work together?


Because the logic behind China Virus was that if we don't call it that people will forget where it came from. Surely the same logic should apply here unless China Virus was just a deflection tool.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Sat Mar 20, 2021 4:21 am

Vassenor wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:Actually four come from the UK, four from the US. But the point of this would be what exactly? Besides cheap political point-scoring, a useful tool for populist propagandists and a further distraction from the far more pressing issue of actually curing the virus (or at least making it something mankind can live alongside)?

No different to Trump's use of the pejorative "China Virus" to score cheap political points, whip crowds into a frenzy and distract from his own dreadful handling of the pandemic.

Why attempt to sow division when humanity should be -- as teams have on vaccines that will hopefully prove to be our salvation -- attempting to work together?


Because the logic behind China Virus was that if we don't call it that people will forget where it came from. Surely the same logic should apply here unless China Virus was just a deflection tool.

So, you have chosen to respond to the above post as though I hadn't
A. Pointed out that you are incorrect as four variants have come from the UK, and four from the US
B. Pointed out that using both "China Virus" and "British Virus" would be Trump-style cheap point-scoring and distraction (at a time humanity should work together) already.

Okay. I don't know why I bothered in the first place.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Mar 20, 2021 4:27 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Because the logic behind China Virus was that if we don't call it that people will forget where it came from. Surely the same logic should apply here unless China Virus was just a deflection tool.

So, you have chosen to respond to the above post as though I hadn't
A. Pointed out that you are incorrect as four variants have come from the UK, and four from the US
B. Pointed out that using both "China Virus" and "British Virus" would be Trump-style cheap point-scoring and distraction (at a time humanity should work together) already.

Okay. I don't know why I bothered in the first place.

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Postby Purgatio » Sat Mar 20, 2021 4:34 am

Vassenor wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:Actually four come from the UK, four from the US. But the point of this would be what exactly? Besides cheap political point-scoring, a useful tool for populist propagandists and a further distraction from the far more pressing issue of actually curing the virus (or at least making it something mankind can live alongside)?

No different to Trump's use of the pejorative "China Virus" to score cheap political points, whip crowds into a frenzy and distract from his own dreadful handling of the pandemic.

Why attempt to sow division when humanity should be -- as teams have on vaccines that will hopefully prove to be our salvation -- attempting to work together?


Because the logic behind China Virus was that if we don't call it that people will forget where it came from. Surely the same logic should apply here unless China Virus was just a deflection tool.


Why are you wasting time preaching the choir, or are you missing the point? The post you are responding to literally calls the phrase "China Virus" "pejorative", a cheap trick "to score political points, whip crowds into a frenzy and distract from his own dreadful handling of the pandemic". The post you are responding to clearly, and in no uncertain terms, rejects both the phrases "British Virus" and "Chinese Virus" as unhelpful, unproductive, and needlessly divisive. So what point are you trying to make here exactly? Are you just unwilling to read a post in full before replying to it? Or worse, did you read the post, manage to grasp the poster's point, but decide anyway to respond to an unrelated, hypothetical argument for why "British Virus" is bad but "Chinese Virus" is good just to sound profound by 'owning' and 'debunking' a hypocritical double-standard that the post you are responding to isn't actually guilty of? Which is it?
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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Vassenor appears to believe that a significant majority of users in NSG agrees with the vitriol delivered by GHK on a weekly basis. We should probably assure her that this is not true.

In the previous thread GHK called me an American cultural imperialist just because I rejected the racist term that he spouted lmao.
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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:So, you have chosen to respond to the above post as though I hadn't
A. Pointed out that you are incorrect as four variants have come from the UK, and four from the US
B. Pointed out that using both "China Virus" and "British Virus" would be Trump-style cheap point-scoring and distraction (at a time humanity should work together) already.

Okay. I don't know why I bothered in the first place.

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I mean you're welcome to point out where I said that.
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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Vassenor appears to believe that a significant majority of users in NSG agrees with the vitriol delivered by GHK on a weekly basis. We should probably assure her that this is not true.


I mean you're welcome to point out where I said that.

It's an impression.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Mar 20, 2021 4:54 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
I mean you're welcome to point out where I said that.

It's an impression.


Based upon what thing I actually said?
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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Vassenor appears to believe that a significant majority of users in NSG agrees with the vitriol delivered by GHK on a weekly basis. We should probably assure her that this is not true.

In the previous thread GHK called me an American cultural imperialist just because I rejected the racist term that he spouted lmao.


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Postby Kannap » Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:08 am

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So if most of the known variants come from the UK when do we start calling it the British Virus?


There are four variants from the UK - and four from the U.S. - equal playing field here. But no, we don't start calling the virus anything other than its name (COVID-19 or coronavirus) because we don't stoop to the same level of shitty people who call it the "China Virus." Why would we want to spread hateful rhetoric as some kind of response in being against hateful rhetoric?
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Reportedly (according to a Tweet from the Health Secretary) half of adults in the UK have received their first COVID-19 vaccination dose.

The UK government aims to offer the 32 million people in the first nine priority groups the first vaccine dose by April 15th and, with just over five million people remaining (by the Health Secretary's statement), it seems likely the nation will reach that target.
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My mum got her first dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine today. Only took a few minutes then straight back home.

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Postby Kenzo-Cyprii » Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:52 am

Kannap wrote:There are four variants from the UK - and four from the U.S. - equal playing field here. But no, we don't start calling the virus anything other than its name (COVID-19 or coronavirus) because we don't stoop to the same level of shitty people who call it the "China Virus." Why would we want to spread hateful rhetoric as some kind of response in being against hateful rhetoric?


Agreed. True enough the virus originated in China but this whole “the China virus” rhetoric isn’t helping at all.

Identifying strains by national origins is one thing but we must refrain from assigning the virus wholly to any nationality or race.

Vassenor wrote:So if most of the known variants come from the UK when do we start calling it the British Virus?


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Kenzo-Cyprii wrote:Identifying strains by national origins is one thing but we must refrain from assigning the virus wholly to any nationality or race.

Which is why the WHO refers to them by a string of words and numbers.
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Picairn wrote:
Kenzo-Cyprii wrote:Identifying strains by national origins is one thing but we must refrain from assigning the virus wholly to any nationality or race.

Which is why the WHO refers to them by a string of words and numbers.


I’m aware.

I have nothing against referring to the independent strains by national origin on a casual or “slang” basis. My stance is as I said let’s not associate the virus collectively with a country or race.

“The strain originating from South Africa differs from the strain from Brazil.” To me, nothing wrong there.

“The British Virus/China Virus/Brazil virus.” Not cool.

Of course I’m not encouraging word policing, but on a moral basis let’s refrain from infusing any negative rhetoric into the virus and expressing said rhetoric over a megaphone or microphone.
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Vassenor wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:Actually four come from the UK, four from the US. But the point of this would be what exactly? Besides cheap political point-scoring, a useful tool for populist propagandists and a further distraction from the far more pressing issue of actually curing the virus (or at least making it something mankind can live alongside)?

No different to Trump's use of the pejorative "China Virus" to score cheap political points, whip crowds into a frenzy and distract from his own dreadful handling of the pandemic.

Why attempt to sow division when humanity should be -- as teams have on vaccines that will hopefully prove to be our salvation -- attempting to work together?


Because the logic behind China Virus was that if we don't call it that people will forget where it came from. Surely the same logic should apply here unless China Virus was just a deflection tool.

You know that’s not the argument Free Joy is making. If you wanna fuss about people calling COVID the [Country] Virus, go fuss at people who are actually doing it.
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Tokyo 2020 Olympic Organizing Committee decides to ban foreign fans/Overseas spectators from attending the 2020 Summer Olympics

About 600,000 Olympic and 300,000 Paralympic tickets will be eligible for refunds as a result of the decision. The Committee hasn't disclosed the monetary value of the eligible refunds.
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Postby Picairn » Sat Mar 20, 2021 7:27 am

Kenzo-Cyprii wrote: I’m aware.

I have nothing against referring to the independent strains by national origin on a casual or “slang” basis. My stance is as I said let’s not associate the virus collectively with a country or race.

“The strain originating from South Africa differs from the strain from Brazil.” To me, nothing wrong there.

“The British Virus/China Virus/Brazil virus.” Not cool.

Of course I’m not encouraging word policing, but on a moral basis let’s refrain from infusing any negative rhetoric into the virus and expressing said rhetoric over a megaphone or microphone.

I agree.
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Kannap wrote:Tokyo 2020 Olympic Organizing Committee decides to ban foreign fans/Overseas spectators from attending the 2020 Summer Olympics

About 600,000 Olympic and 300,000 Paralympic tickets will be eligible for refunds as a result of the decision. The Committee hasn't disclosed the monetary value of the eligible refunds.


This will massively raise the cost of holding the Games.

But it will be worth it, because Japan will get astounding amounts of medals!

I seriously wouldn't be surprised if foreign athletes start talking about a boycott.

Which would mean even more medals for Japan! I know who I'm supporting :D
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:32 am

Australia's vaccination rate is puny. Half that of Indonesia ... or Bangladesh.

But that's OK. We're an island, and 2 week enforced quarantines are keeping hotels in business!
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Postby Kannap » Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:36 am

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
Kannap wrote:Tokyo 2020 Olympic Organizing Committee decides to ban foreign fans/Overseas spectators from attending the 2020 Summer Olympics

About 600,000 Olympic and 300,000 Paralympic tickets will be eligible for refunds as a result of the decision. The Committee hasn't disclosed the monetary value of the eligible refunds.


This will massively raise the cost of holding the Games.

But it will be worth it, because Japan will get astounding amounts of medals!

I seriously wouldn't be surprised if foreign athletes start talking about a boycott.

Which would mean even more medals for Japan! I know who I'm supporting :D


I'm cheering for Team GB, per usual, which has always seemed a bit odd to me being an American, but who the hell wants to cheer for Team USA?
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