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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:03 am

Luminesa wrote:
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I don't think you want me to quote them all. Anyway, I see marrying a slave as actually worse than prostitution



If I understand Southern Baptists alright, individual pastors can preach pretty much anything, there isn't a promulgator of doctrine. In any case, it is on the subject of sex that the Bible most sets limits which are unreasonable and contradictory by modern standards. The strength of ownership that marriage provides a man, is essentially slavery. What strength of ownership it provides to a woman is rather irrelevant, given that the law of that time would not enforce it.

In this case, despite my joke above, the man might have misunderstood "taking a slave as a wife" being OK, and thought with or without reason that the sex workers were slaves, and justified to himself spending time with them as being a necessary stage of courtship.

If ^this had been going on for a while, a crisis could be precipitated by something as minor as a manager telling him: "you can stay a customer but we need you to stop offering marriage to the girls. Some of them, not telling you which, are married already. You can't marry any of the girls, got it?"

Christians don’t follow Leviticus anyway and understand that the Old Law was a stepping stone toward the crux of salvation, in which there would be NO slavery and NO people considered inferior. ANYWAY.

For the bolded bit, the marriage system actually does mildly favor women, especially when it comes to custody of children. More on topic, however, this crisis could have been averted if this man had gotten off the streets and into some sort of rehab for sex addiction (and for violent feelings toward women, especially seemingly toward Asian women).


But also possibly for deradicalization from christian fundamentalism.

You are completely on the wrong side with "christians would never do that" and should be capable of the more nuanced position that people can find support for any vile ideology by reading the bible for themselves, and not taking the Greatest Hits compilation from any particular Church.

Because where you're heading is that he did it despite being a christian, and arguing what the bible "says about prostitutes" is just going to get you into more trouble. The bible says some terrible things about prostitutes (and btw marriage, homosexuality, the proper way to raise children etc) and it also say firmly Thou Shalt Not Kill ... so he just picked different parts of it to believe most strongly.

You're in the position Muslims were, when people demanded they denounce "radical Islam". Thinking that without radicalization, there would be no more terrorism.

I'm calling on you, a Christian, to denounce "radical Christianity". Being those people who put too much weight on some parts of the bible. They may call themselves Christians, but you should denounce them anyway.

Because race being the main motivator, would make it a Hate Crime. Some twisted thinking about sex and "saving" the girls from slavery and oppression, would simply be a Crime. But a primarily religious motivation would over-ride the targets being of a particular race or occupation, and raise it from a Hate Crime to Terrorism.

If I were you, I wouldn't utter another word about what's in the Bible. That would only further associate you with Radical Christianity which stands too close to Terrorism at this time. You should renounce anyone who does terrible things for religious reasons. Even if that religion is Christianity.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:10 am

Luminesa wrote:Christians don’t follow Leviticus anyway and understand that the Old Law was a stepping stone toward the crux of salvation, in which there would be NO slavery and NO people considered inferior. ANYWAY.


Someone should tell that to the people who keep using Leviticus to justify their homophobia.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:11 am

Arlenton wrote:Death penalty please for the love of God fry this motherfucker.


Indeed. We have to show that we as a society will absolutely not tolerate this sort of degeneracy.

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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:20 am

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Arlenton wrote:Death penalty please for the love of God fry this motherfucker.


Indeed. We have to show that we as a society will absolutely not tolerate this sort of degeneracy.


What's the thinking here? Future psychos who aren't deterred by life in prison (probably in solitary, considering how most thugs think of prostitutes as "top quality female criminals") ... will stop and think twice if they would get a few years in prison and THEN death.

No, man! This guy didn't care if he lived or died that day. Why would he care about dying in a few years?
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Postby Kubra » Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:21 am

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Ethel mermania wrote:Come to ny, we will take a walk. The 90% is an estimate, based on am article i posted earlier. The Asian places are ubiquitous all around the city and are storefronts. 40 years ago there would be Latin places in sone these neighborhoods, but those have disappeared, and tend to be in apartments in Spanish neighborhoods.

75% he shot 6 Asians and two white ls because he thought they were whores.


Yeah, sorry, that sounds like figures you made up to make you right and them wrong. We call that 'strawmanning'.

If the figures were the other way around (7 Asians for about 90%, 75% of defacto brothel workers Asian) you would say "that's only one w---- off exact racial parity, therefore race not a factor" but I'm not going to sink to your statistical level. I have never denied that race MIGHT be a factor, nor have I tried to prove or DISPROVE that it was.

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A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Indeed. We have to show that we as a society will absolutely not tolerate this sort of degeneracy.


What's the thinking here? Future psychos who aren't deterred by life in prison (probably in solitary, considering how most thugs think of prostitutes as "top quality female criminals") ... will stop and think twice if they would get a few years in prison and THEN death.

No, man! This guy didn't care if he lived or died that day. Why would he care about dying in a few years?


It is simply a matter of fear of punishment, it is a matter of making a statement that our society will not tolerate this sort of filth.

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Postby Punished UMN » Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:38 am

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Fedel wrote:I also find it interesting that in the numerous recent instances of black violence against Asians, nobody dares to ask the question of if it was "racially motivated."

It's all just one big joke at this point. Though not a particularly funny one.


Black violence against Asians or Jews is very likely to be racially motivated. I'm not sure how often it turns violent, but there is a huge amount of anti-Asian and antisemitic racism among African-Americans. Even my ex, who was black and had no problem being in an interracial relationship with me, sometimes talked about Asians in ways that didn't sit right.

TBF, I have also encountered Asians who were racist against blacks. Racial prejudice is just a common way for people's thinking to go wrong.

The video isn't on youtube anymore, but there was a video of a Jewish college student taking part in a sociology project about his race's relations with other races in his community (NYC) in which he does unscripted interviews with Black passerbys in the Bronx, and the antisemitism escalates up to the point of the interviewees namedropping the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, which another interviewee chimes in and says that it "explains the entire Jewish plot for world domination."
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Postby Punished UMN » Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:45 am

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Christians don’t follow Leviticus anyway and understand that the Old Law was a stepping stone toward the crux of salvation, in which there would be NO slavery and NO people considered inferior. ANYWAY.

For the bolded bit, the marriage system actually does mildly favor women, especially when it comes to custody of children. More on topic, however, this crisis could have been averted if this man had gotten off the streets and into some sort of rehab for sex addiction (and for violent feelings toward women, especially seemingly toward Asian women).


But also possibly for deradicalization from christian fundamentalism.

You are completely on the wrong side with "christians would never do that" and should be capable of the more nuanced position that people can find support for any vile ideology by reading the bible for themselves, and not taking the Greatest Hits compilation from any particular Church.

Because where you're heading is that he did it despite being a christian, and arguing what the bible "says about prostitutes" is just going to get you into more trouble. The bible says some terrible things about prostitutes (and btw marriage, homosexuality, the proper way to raise children etc) and it also say firmly Thou Shalt Not Kill ... so he just picked different parts of it to believe most strongly.

You're in the position Muslims were, when people demanded they denounce "radical Islam". Thinking that without radicalization, there would be no more terrorism.

I'm calling on you, a Christian, to denounce "radical Christianity". Being those people who put too much weight on some parts of the bible. They may call themselves Christians, but you should denounce them anyway.

Because race being the main motivator, would make it a Hate Crime. Some twisted thinking about sex and "saving" the girls from slavery and oppression, would simply be a Crime. But a primarily religious motivation would over-ride the targets being of a particular race or occupation, and raise it from a Hate Crime to Terrorism.

If I were you, I wouldn't utter another word about what's in the Bible. That would only further associate you with Radical Christianity which stands too close to Terrorism at this time. You should renounce anyone who does terrible things for religious reasons. Even if that religion is Christianity.

We wouldn't consider those kinds of things to be "radical Christianity", but there are already terms in canon law and Christian tradition denouncing such attitudes. This is why the institution of Confession to a priest is so important imo because one of the things the priest does in his confession is to prevent you from transferring your guilt to other people in the course Confession. But what Lumi means is that the legal condemnations in the Old Testament are not relevant to the practice of Christianity, which is something the Church established as early as the first century. It's not fair to hold the entirety of Christianity accountable for a theological trend that only arose in the United States like ninety years ago.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:59 am

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But also possibly for deradicalization from christian fundamentalism.

You are completely on the wrong side with "christians would never do that" and should be capable of the more nuanced position that people can find support for any vile ideology by reading the bible for themselves, and not taking the Greatest Hits compilation from any particular Church.

Because where you're heading is that he did it despite being a christian, and arguing what the bible "says about prostitutes" is just going to get you into more trouble. The bible says some terrible things about prostitutes (and btw marriage, homosexuality, the proper way to raise children etc) and it also say firmly Thou Shalt Not Kill ... so he just picked different parts of it to believe most strongly.

You're in the position Muslims were, when people demanded they denounce "radical Islam". Thinking that without radicalization, there would be no more terrorism.

I'm calling on you, a Christian, to denounce "radical Christianity". Being those people who put too much weight on some parts of the bible. They may call themselves Christians, but you should denounce them anyway.

Because race being the main motivator, would make it a Hate Crime. Some twisted thinking about sex and "saving" the girls from slavery and oppression, would simply be a Crime. But a primarily religious motivation would over-ride the targets being of a particular race or occupation, and raise it from a Hate Crime to Terrorism.

If I were you, I wouldn't utter another word about what's in the Bible. That would only further associate you with Radical Christianity which stands too close to Terrorism at this time. You should renounce anyone who does terrible things for religious reasons. Even if that religion is Christianity.

We wouldn't consider those kinds of things to be "radical Christianity", but there are already terms in canon law and Christian tradition denouncing such attitudes. This is why the institution of Confession to a priest is so important imo because one of the things the priest does in his confession is to prevent you from transferring your guilt to other people in the course Confession. But what Lumi means is that the legal condemnations in the Old Testament are not relevant to the practice of Christianity, which is something the Church established as early as the first century. It's not fair to hold the entirety of Christianity accountable for a theological trend that only arose in the United States like ninety years ago.


If Christians don't distinguish between types, then I'm not going to.

Until the trial we won't know what role weird readings of the Bible might have played in his motives. But we condemn Muslims for suicide attacks on no more basis than that they attended a radical mosque at some time, and yelled "Allahu Akbah" before attacking. Even if there is a pattern to their choice of target, the religious motivation makes it Terrorism.
It wouldn't take much at all to persuade me this guy was a Biblical Fundamentalist Terrorist, and any others who may have similar beliefs should be investigated.

If you'd like to distance Christians from All Believers in the Bible, now would be a good time.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:01 am

Bienenhalde wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Death penalty please for the love of God fry this motherfucker.


Indeed. We have to show that we as a society will absolutely not tolerate this sort of degeneracy.

I believe the murderer has similar attitudes about society and "degeneracy".
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:01 am

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A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
What's the thinking here? Future psychos who aren't deterred by life in prison (probably in solitary, considering how most thugs think of prostitutes as "top quality female criminals") ... will stop and think twice if they would get a few years in prison and THEN death.

No, man! This guy didn't care if he lived or died that day. Why would he care about dying in a few years?


It is simply a matter of fear of punishment, it is a matter of making a statement that our society will not tolerate this sort of filth.


Then it's worthless to me. Find some more benign way of virtue signalling.
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Postby USS Monitor » Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:02 am

Punished UMN wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
Black violence against Asians or Jews is very likely to be racially motivated. I'm not sure how often it turns violent, but there is a huge amount of anti-Asian and antisemitic racism among African-Americans. Even my ex, who was black and had no problem being in an interracial relationship with me, sometimes talked about Asians in ways that didn't sit right.

TBF, I have also encountered Asians who were racist against blacks. Racial prejudice is just a common way for people's thinking to go wrong.

The video isn't on youtube anymore, but there was a video of a Jewish college student taking part in a sociology project about his race's relations with other races in his community (NYC) in which he does unscripted interviews with Black passerbys in the Bronx, and the antisemitism escalates up to the point of the interviewees namedropping the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, which another interviewee chimes in and says that it "explains the entire Jewish plot for world domination."


Yikes.

I've heard stuff like that from old-school white supremacists too. I think antisemitism is just more common than it should be.
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Postby Kubra » Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:02 am

Ifreann wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Indeed. We have to show that we as a society will absolutely not tolerate this sort of degeneracy.

I believe the murderer has similar attitudes about society and "degeneracy".
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Postby Punished UMN » Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:08 am

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:We wouldn't consider those kinds of things to be "radical Christianity", but there are already terms in canon law and Christian tradition denouncing such attitudes. This is why the institution of Confession to a priest is so important imo because one of the things the priest does in his confession is to prevent you from transferring your guilt to other people in the course Confession. But what Lumi means is that the legal condemnations in the Old Testament are not relevant to the practice of Christianity, which is something the Church established as early as the first century. It's not fair to hold the entirety of Christianity accountable for a theological trend that only arose in the United States like ninety years ago.


If Christians don't distinguish between types, then I'm not going to.

Until the trial we won't know what role weird readings of the Bible might have played in his motives. But we condemn Muslims for suicide attacks on no more basis than that they attended a radical mosque at some time, and yelled "Allahu Akbah" before attacking. Even if there is a pattern to their choice of target, the religious motivation makes it Terrorism.
It wouldn't take much at all to persuade me this guy was a Biblical Fundamentalist Terrorist, and any others who may have similar beliefs should be investigated.

If you'd like to distance Christians from All Believers in the Bible, now would be a good time.

We do distinguish between types, but what you're doing here is conflating religious traditions that have little to do with one-another as having responsibility for what the others believe. Saying that, for example, Orthodox and Catholics are in some way responsible for what the Southern Baptist Convention teaches is no less silly than saying that the Bektashi Order is in some way responsible for what Saudi Arabia teaches. The only connection they have is that they're both vaguely Christian, and apart from that, they're more different than they are similar. Biblical Fundamentalism is a strictly American phenomenon that only arose last century independently of any existing Christian practice.

It's not that we're not distinguishing between types, it's that your typology is bizarre and focuses only on superficial characteristics rather than any kind of historical or theological relationships.
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Kowani wrote:What was this delay???

The man suspected of killing eight people in a shooting rampage at Atlanta-area spas entered the first site he attacked about an hour before shots were fired.

According to surveillance video obtained by The Washington Post, Robert Aaron Long spent roughly an hour outside Young’s Asian Massage before entering the spa. After entering, one hour and 12 minutes passed before he is seen getting into his car. Police arrived at the spa minutes later.

The time of his departure from Young’s Asian Massage was four minutes before Cherokee County law enforcement received their first reports of shots fired. The Cherokee County Sheriff’s Office did not immediately respond to a request for comment from The Hill and declined to confirm the information to The Post.
[...]
It is also known that Long purchased a handgun the day of the shooting.

Basically Cherokee county is very very white. And they where the people who had employed Mr “he had a bad day”. You can fill in the rest.
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Do you know how many non-Asian Massage Parlors there are in Atlanta?


Ah, it's the poster from Atlanta we've been waiting for ...

No thats me, and I’ve been saying the same thing for the entire thread
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Kowani wrote:What was this delay???

The man suspected of killing eight people in a shooting rampage at Atlanta-area spas entered the first site he attacked about an hour before shots were fired.

According to surveillance video obtained by The Washington Post, Robert Aaron Long spent roughly an hour outside Young’s Asian Massage before entering the spa. After entering, one hour and 12 minutes passed before he is seen getting into his car. Police arrived at the spa minutes later.

The time of his departure from Young’s Asian Massage was four minutes before Cherokee County law enforcement received their first reports of shots fired. The Cherokee County Sheriff’s Office did not immediately respond to a request for comment from The Hill and declined to confirm the information to The Post.
[...]
It is also known that Long purchased a handgun the day of the shooting.

Basically Cherokee county is very very white. And they where the people who had employed Mr “he had a bad day”. You can fill in the rest.
And that aside, "there's a shooting going on at sketchy grey-market business in a rough part of town" is something that officers anywhere will tend to be slow to respond to.
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Postby Purgatio » Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:26 am

Ifreann wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Indeed. We have to show that we as a society will absolutely not tolerate this sort of degeneracy.

I believe the murderer has similar attitudes about society and "degeneracy".


And all that means is that Long is wrong about who the real degenerates are. The real "degenerates" are the psychopathic twisted racist assholes who decide an entire group of people deserve to be shot up and murdered because of outdated religious mores which proceed to stigmatise an entire profession and an entire type or kind of woman, in verse after verse. The real "degenerates" are the bigoted assholes with hateful ideas about women and Asian women in particular, and pick up a gun and open fire in pursuit of those ideals. And it is those actual "degenerates" who deserve the full force of the law in vindication of the gravity of the legal norms he has violated. The fact that Long had his own misguided ideas about who or what is 'degenerate' means nothing, only that he's wrong and deluded and misguided.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:26 am

Vassenor wrote:Atlanta Shooting Suspect’s Church Bashed ‘Radical Feminism’ in Deleted Sermons

Well, now we know where he was radicalised at least.

Like I said from the beginning his church was a borderline cult. They hated sex and women. So it’s really no surprise that this was a gendered hate crime.
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Postby Purgatio » Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:32 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Atlanta Shooting Suspect’s Church Bashed ‘Radical Feminism’ in Deleted Sermons

Well, now we know where he was radicalised at least.

Like I said from the beginning his church was a borderline cult. They hated sex and women. So it’s really no surprise that this was a gendered hate crime.


And as is typical from a read of that article, the Church in question acts all 'shocked' and issues performative statements about how outrageous and egregious this crime is....without once stopping to perform the barest minimum introspection and ask what preachings, doctrines, and ideologies were promoted by his Church that could have encouraged or spurred on this act of violence? Is it possible that their outdated and archaic ideas about sexuality and the stigmatisation of anything and anyone that falls outside those ideals could have contributed, in some way, to the toxic mentality of Long that viewed these women as a perverse sexual "temptation" to be purged and eradicated?

Unfortunately, that's a pipe dream that will never happen. As expected, the Church just issues a statement condemning violence without an iota of thought as to their role in contributing to the killer's noxious, parochial worldview.
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Postby Kubra » Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:34 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Atlanta Shooting Suspect’s Church Bashed ‘Radical Feminism’ in Deleted Sermons

Well, now we know where he was radicalised at least.

Like I said from the beginning his church was a borderline cult. They hated sex and women. So it’s really no surprise that this was a gendered hate crime.
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Postby My Political Fantasy » Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:57 am

I remember reading Radical Chic by Tom Wolfe lambasting people in the cultural elite for supporting the Black Panthers. Either out of a lack of self-awareness or denial, they were supporting a group of people who wanted them removed from their positions of power. The real reason they were supporting the Black Panthers is that they wanted to increase their social status in their group.

Tom Wolfe also wrote that many of the people in the cultural elite often held the belief of Nostalgie De La Boue or people of the mud. They believed subconsciously that the Black Panthers were a part of a primitive/oppressed group. they only seemed to help people if they were poor or a part of a working class and also an ethnic minority. More often than not, they didn't want to help groups that were middle class or well standing.

I hope that causes of Asians aren't whitewashed by Nostalgie De La Boue of the cultural elite. I also think that Tom Wolfes commentary is incredibly relavant to modern political discourse in the United States.
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My Political Fantasy wrote:I remember reading Radical Chic by Tom Wolfe lambasting people in the cultural elite for supporting the Black Panthers. Either out of a lack of self-awareness or denial, they were supporting a group of people who wanted them removed from their positions of power. The real reason they were supporting the Black Panthers is that they wanted to increase their social status in their group.

Tom Wolfe also wrote that many of the people in the cultural elite often held the belief of Nostalgie De La Boue or people of the mud. They believed subconsciously that the Black Panthers were a part of a primitive/oppressed group. they only seemed to help people if they were poor or a part of a working class and also an ethnic minority. More often than not, they didn't want to help groups that were middle class or well standing.

I hope that causes of Asians aren't whitewashed by Nostalgie De La Boue of the cultural elite. I also think that Tom Wolfes commentary is incredibly relavant to modern political discourse in the United States.

Yet this is how we discriminate against Asians. School quotas


https://www.vox.com/2018/6/14/17458710/ ... an-protest

https://www.usnews.com/news/education-n ... gh-schools
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

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What's the thinking here? Future psychos who aren't deterred by life in prison (probably in solitary, considering how most thugs think of prostitutes as "top quality female criminals") ... will stop and think twice if they would get a few years in prison and THEN death.

No, man! This guy didn't care if he lived or died that day. Why would he care about dying in a few years?


It is simply a matter of fear of punishment, it is a matter of making a statement that our society will not tolerate this sort of filth.

So it’s pointless, then
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Postby Kenzo-Cyprii » Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:19 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Atlanta Shooting Suspect’s Church Bashed ‘Radical Feminism’ in Deleted Sermons

Well, now we know where he was radicalised at least.

Like I said from the beginning his church was a borderline cult. They hated sex and women. So it’s really no surprise that this was a gendered hate crime.


The gendered hate crime is a more sensible narrative than it being a racial hate crime. People are focusing on the victims being Asian, yet the shooter frequented these massage parlor brothel setups.

I’d classify him as a religious fanatic incel with a skewed psyche if I had to label him.
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