8 dead in Atlanta, Georgia Mass shootings

[USS Monitor]

...y'all are really desperate for this not to be racially motivated, aren't you?

Sounds like it was mostly sexually motivated, TBH.

It's less obvious whether he was targeting Asians or they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time because of broader societal trends/issues. A lot of the racial issue here is why so many Asian women are in those kinds of jobs in the first place.

[Vassenor]

...y'all are really desperate for this not to be racially motivated, aren't you?

Sounds like it was mostly sexually motivated, TBH.

It's less obvious whether he was targeting Asians or they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time because of broader societal trends/issues. A lot of the racial issue here is why so many Asian women are in those kinds of jobs in the first place.

Screaming about wanting to kill Asians means he wasn't targeting Asians?

[USS Monitor]

Sounds like it was mostly sexually motivated, TBH.

It's less obvious whether he was targeting Asians or they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time because of broader societal trends/issues. A lot of the racial issue here is why so many Asian women are in those kinds of jobs in the first place.

Screaming about wanting to kill Asians means he wasn't targeting Asians?

Was he? I just kind of glanced at the link in the OP and hadn't seen that.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Screaming about wanting to kill Asians means he wasn't targeting Asians?

Was he? I just kind of glanced at the link in the OP and hadn't seen that.

A witness claims to have heard that but afaik the shooter has explicitly told police it was not racially motivated.

[Vassenor]

Atlanta Shooting Suspect’s Church Bashed ‘Radical Feminism’ in Deleted Sermons

Well, now we know where he was radicalised at least.

[Fedel]

...y'all are really desperate for this not to be racially motivated, aren't you?

I think many people just find it weird how desperate so many people here seem to be in their desire for these killings to be racially motivated. Or at least for it to appear that way.

I wonder what such a narrative could be useful for during a time when many Asians are beginning to protest the racial quotas in education and the workplace that overwhelming favors blacks and non-Asian minorities at the expense of whites and Asians...

I also find it interesting that in the numerous recent instances of black violence against Asians, nobody dares to ask the question of if it was "racially motivated."

It's all just one big joke at this point. Though not a particularly funny one.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

This type of killer is the least likely to be deterred by the death penalty. Not that the death penalty is an effective deterrent overall: people just assume that because it feels like a deterrent to them. People who shoot at cops (for instance) after committing murders, clearly are not bothered by the prospect of dying.

State killing, at enormous expense, and with no or negative deterrent effect on others, serves no purpose but to gratify murderous urges of the public. People who, for some unfathomable reason, react to horrible acts by wanting the state to commit horrible acts on their behalf.

I want the opposite. I want the state to do as much good as possible, by doing the least harm (acknowledging that some harm is necessary, eg taxation). And definitely not set a bad example by killing its own people.

The state killing this guy would be one of the most righteous and beautiful things this world has ever seen.

This guy killing Asian prostitutes is the most righteous and beautiful thing ... to certain people combining a Nazi level of racism and a ghoulish level of sociopathy. Personally I prefer the state to be as unlike this piece of shit as possible. Not compete with them.

Anyway, it's extreme and well-publicized cases like this which drive public demand for abolishing the process of appeal and executing shortly after the trial. Over the next years I welcome that debate again, because your side will surely include bloodthirsty and vindicative types who won't even pay lip service to justice or deterrence. Your side probably won't lose completely, it being Georgia, but I look forward to you losing ground.

Supporting things which haven't happened yet is a hard game. I wish you no luck, at all.

[Vassenor]

...y'all are really desperate for this not to be racially motivated, aren't you?

I think many people just find it weird how desperate so many people here seem to be in their desire for these killings to be racially motivated. Or at least for it to appear that way.

I wonder what such a narrative could be useful for during a time when many Asians are beginning to protest the racial quotas in education and the workplace that overwhelming favors blacks and non-Asian minorities at the expense of whites and Asians...

I also find it interesting that in the numerous recent instances of black violence against Asians, nobody dares to ask the question of if it was "racially motivated."

It's all just one big joke at this point. Though not a particularly funny one.

Really? Because I see people calling out anti-Asian violence from the Black community, and outright stating that its racially motivated, all the time. From both sides.

And I know that someone is going to pipe up with the whole BUT YOUR EXPERIENCE ISN'T UNIVERSAL like they always do when presented with something that conflicts with the world view that they've formed from the assumption that their experiences are universal.

In short, take that whataboutism and stick it in the trash where it belongs.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

Atlanta Shooting Suspect’s Church Bashed ‘Radical Feminism’ in Deleted Sermons

Well, now we know where he was radicalised at least.

If what he was against isn't even reliably known from his reported comments to police, then we can learn nothing from the targets being Asian (particularly since that would run counter). The targets being sex workers is a much bigger lead, and also is supported by what he allegedly said to police.

I do somewhat agree the police reports should not be given much weight, at this time. The guy might have said many, contradictory things, and police wouldn't be lying to only release those comments which won't cause racial strife. Booty Koreans if you will ...

I have no problem believing he was motivated by religious fundamentalism, among other things. The church he attended is not a convenient explanation for radicalism, though. There is still some gap between whatever religious indoctrination he got, and going on a murder spree.

The Bible does say terrible things about prostitutes, but it's alright with taking a slave as one's wife: sex slavery. In any case, that church deserves some of the blame. But obviously not all of it.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

Not to be taken too seriously:

"Most reverend Pastor, I must tell you, I had sex with a prostitute last tuesday. And thursday."
"No, son! That is fornication outside wedlock! It is a terrible sin!"

"Well, I know Pastor. But the young woman told me she was a slave."
"So by corrupt modern thinking, that --"

"Wait sir. She told me she was a slave, so I asked her to marry me ..."
"To ... uh, rescue her from sin? Holy matrimony is not intended for that purpose."

"I know, I know, I'm in a terrible situation Pastor. She said no marriage but I'd had to pay anyway"
"So that's the second time you had sex? After she refused marriage. You know this is not good?"

"Not just the second time, sir, and she wasn't the only one. I wanted to marry a slave, like ..."
"No son. I don't want to hear this."

"Sir!? You have never refused me before! My soul is at risk, I know it!"
"You are lost to the Lord now. It is for you to escape the Devil alone. Leave a contribution please."

[USS Monitor]

I also find it interesting that in the numerous recent instances of black violence against Asians, nobody dares to ask the question of if it was "racially motivated."

It's all just one big joke at this point. Though not a particularly funny one.

Black violence against Asians or Jews is very likely to be racially motivated. I'm not sure how often it turns violent, but there is a huge amount of anti-Asian and antisemitic racism among African-Americans. Even my ex, who was black and had no problem being in an interracial relationship with me, sometimes talked about Asians in ways that didn't sit right.

TBF, I have also encountered Asians who were racist against blacks. Racial prejudice is just a common way for people's thinking to go wrong.

[Kubra]

Atlanta Shooting Suspect’s Church Bashed ‘Radical Feminism’ in Deleted Sermons

Well, now we know where he was radicalised at least.

unsurprisingly a Southern Baptist Church. Fella should be investigated for links to Y'all Qaeda.

[Kubra]

...y'all are really desperate for this not to be racially motivated, aren't you?

I think many people just find it weird how desperate so many people here seem to be in their desire for these killings to be racially motivated. Or at least for it to appear that way.

I wonder what such a narrative could be useful for during a time when many Asians are beginning to protest the racial quotas in education and the workplace that overwhelming favors blacks and non-Asian minorities at the expense of whites and Asians...

I also find it interesting that in the numerous recent instances of black violence against Asians, nobody dares to ask the question of if it was "racially motivated."

It's all just one big joke at this point. Though not a particularly funny one.

if the majority of victims in an incident are Asian exploring the race angle is pretty legitimate, man. It's, you know, not beyond the pale.

[Purgatio]

Screaming about wanting to kill Asians means he wasn't targeting Asians?

Was he? I just kind of glanced at the link in the OP and hadn't seen that.

He never screamed about killing Asians, and since none of us are mind-readers, of course we aren't gonna be able to definitively say, with 100% certainty, whether Long was motivated by race or not motivated by race.

That doesn't mean we can't make educated inferences. We know the shooter's admitted this killing was the product of a 'sex addiction'. The sexual objectification and fetishisation of East Asian women in the West is both well-documented and deeply-entrenched in American and European histories, à la Madama Butterfly, Miss Saigon and 'Dragon Lady' tropes in popular media. We know that the shooter frequented the predominantly Asian-run massage parlours in that locality in Atlanta. We know that he shot up a predominantly-Asian locality, with predominantly Asian-run businesses, and 6 out of 8 of his victims were East Asian women. Add to that the shooter's admission that he was motivated by a 'sex addiction' and saw these establishments and businesses, specifically, as a sexual temptation he wanted quashed and eliminated, and this being a racially-motivated attack is not at all implausible or outlandish.

Again, none of us are mindreaders, we can't make definitive proclamations either way or in either direction, but it would be remiss not to take this opportunity to raise more awareness on how dangerous the consequences of the dehumanising and racist fetishisation of East Asian women as available sexual objects in US history, lasting until the present day, can have very dangerous consequences for those women.

[Purgatio]

...y'all are really desperate for this not to be racially motivated, aren't you?

I think many people just find it weird how desperate so many people here seem to be in their desire for these killings to be racially motivated. Or at least for it to appear that way.

I wonder what such a narrative could be useful for during a time when many Asians are beginning to protest the racial quotas in education and the workplace that overwhelming favors blacks and non-Asian minorities at the expense of whites and Asians...

I also find it interesting that in the numerous recent instances of black violence against Asians, nobody dares to ask the question of if it was "racially motivated."

It's all just one big joke at this point. Though not a particularly funny one.

Thats not true at all. When an African-American perpertrator commits a racially-motivated hate crime against an Asian person, people are generally more than willing to discuss the racist aspect of the attack. I'm reminded of this pretty prominent incident that went semi-viral online of African-American perpetrators in San Francisco who attacked an elderly Asian man and called him racist insults, and people online seemed very willing to discuss the racial motivations of the attack (https://sfist.com/2020/02/24/disgusting-twitter-video-shows-apparent-robbery-black-on-asian-racism/).

Its not like there's some hypocritical double standard here where only white people can be racist against Asians but not black people. Racism is possible in every community, that much is clear.

EDIT: Just throwing in another example in case that isn't enough proof for you of the absence of a double-standard, the LA Rodney King riots featured a lot of African-American rioters attacking and looting Korean-run stores and businesses in LA and physically injuring the Korean owners in the process, and the media at the time was also very willing to discuss the potential racist or racially-motivated nature of those attacks.

[Luminesa]

Atlanta Shooting Suspect’s Church Bashed ‘Radical Feminism’ in Deleted Sermons

Well, now we know where he was radicalised at least.

If what he was against isn't even reliably known from his reported comments to police, then we can learn nothing from the targets being Asian (particularly since that would run counter). The targets being sex workers is a much bigger lead, and also is supported by what he allegedly said to police.

I do somewhat agree the police reports should not be given much weight, at this time. The guy might have said many, contradictory things, and police wouldn't be lying to only release those comments which won't cause racial strife. Booty Koreans if you will ...

I have no problem believing he was motivated by religious fundamentalism, among other things. The church he attended is not a convenient explanation for radicalism, though. There is still some gap between whatever religious indoctrination he got, and going on a murder spree.

The Bible does say terrible things about prostitutes, but it's alright with taking a slave as one's wife: sex slavery. In any case, that church deserves some of the blame. But obviously not all of it.

One verse from Leviticus doesn’t define the whole view of prostitutes in the Bible. The institution is seen as wrong (as the Bible sees all sex outside of marriage), but a prostitute (Rahab) is linked to Jesus through the Genealogy of Matthew. In that way, salvation history does not exclude women who have been involved in sex work. Therefore what the Bible says and what this man’s church said are not the same thing.

[Luminesa]

Not to be taken too seriously:

"Most reverend Pastor, I must tell you, I had sex with a prostitute last tuesday. And thursday."
"No, son! That is fornication outside wedlock! It is a terrible sin!"

"Well, I know Pastor. But the young woman told me she was a slave."
"So by corrupt modern thinking, that --"

"Wait sir. She told me she was a slave, so I asked her to marry me ..."
"To ... uh, rescue her from sin? Holy matrimony is not intended for that purpose."

"I know, I know, I'm in a terrible situation Pastor. She said no marriage but I'd had to pay anyway"
"So that's the second time you had sex? After she refused marriage. You know this is not good?"

"Not just the second time, sir, and she wasn't the only one. I wanted to marry a slave, like ..."
"No son. I don't want to hear this."

"Sir!? You have never refused me before! My soul is at risk, I know it!"
"You are lost to the Lord now. It is for you to escape the Devil alone. Leave a contribution please."

What is the point of this?

[Luminesa]

...y'all are really desperate for this not to be racially motivated, aren't you?

I think many people just find it weird how desperate so many people here seem to be in their desire for these killings to be racially motivated. Or at least for it to appear that way.

I wonder what such a narrative could be useful for during a time when many Asians are beginning to protest the racial quotas in education and the workplace that overwhelming favors blacks and non-Asian minorities at the expense of whites and Asians...

I also find it interesting that in the numerous recent instances of black violence against Asians, nobody dares to ask the question of if it was "racially motivated."

It's all just one big joke at this point. Though not a particularly funny one.

I think at the very least for this incident we can say there was definitely some sort of racial motivation. I do agree that any and all other racially-motivated violence should also be brought to light as well.

[Luminesa]

The state killing this guy would be one of the most righteous and beautiful things this world has ever seen.

This guy killing Asian prostitutes is the most righteous and beautiful thing ... to certain people combining a Nazi level of racism and a ghoulish level of sociopathy. Personally I prefer the state to be as unlike this piece of shit as possible. Not compete with them.

Anyway, it's extreme and well-publicized cases like this which drive public demand for abolishing the process of appeal and executing shortly after the trial. Over the next years I welcome that debate again, because your side will surely include bloodthirsty and vindicative types who won't even pay lip service to justice or deterrence. Your side probably won't lose completely, it being Georgia, but I look forward to you losing ground.

Supporting things which haven't happened yet is a hard game. I wish you no luck, at all.

If you don’t like the death penalty there’s much better ways to say so.

[USS Monitor]

Was he? I just kind of glanced at the link in the OP and hadn't seen that.

He never screamed about killing Asians, and since none of us are mind-readers, of course we aren't gonna be able to definitively say, with 100% certainty, whether Long was motivated by race or not motivated by race.

That doesn't mean we can't make educated inferences. We know the shooter's admitted this killing was the product of a 'sex addiction'. The sexual objectification and fetishisation of East Asian women in the West is both well-documented and deeply-entrenched in American and European histories, à la Madama Butterfly, Miss Saigon and 'Dragon Lady' tropes in popular media. We know that the shooter frequented the predominantly Asian-run massage parlours in that locality in Atlanta. We know that he shot up a predominantly-Asian locality, with predominantly Asian-run businesses, and 6 out of 8 of his victims were East Asian women. Add to that the shooter's admission that he was motivated by a 'sex addiction' and saw these establishments and businesses, specifically, as a sexual temptation he wanted quashed and eliminated, and this being a racially-motivated attack is not at all implausible or outlandish.

Again, none of us are mindreaders, we can't make definitive proclamations either way or in either direction, but it would be remiss not to take this opportunity to raise more awareness on how dangerous the consequences of the dehumanising and racist fetishisation of East Asian women as available sexual objects in US history, lasting until the present day, can have very dangerous consequences for those women.

If you go two more posts up the page you'd realize you're preaching to the choir.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

If what he was against isn't even reliably known from his reported comments to police, then we can learn nothing from the targets being Asian (particularly since that would run counter). The targets being sex workers is a much bigger lead, and also is supported by what he allegedly said to police.

I do somewhat agree the police reports should not be given much weight, at this time. The guy might have said many, contradictory things, and police wouldn't be lying to only release those comments which won't cause racial strife. Booty Koreans if you will ...

I have no problem believing he was motivated by religious fundamentalism, among other things. The church he attended is not a convenient explanation for radicalism, though. There is still some gap between whatever religious indoctrination he got, and going on a murder spree.

The Bible does say terrible things about prostitutes, but it's alright with taking a slave as one's wife: sex slavery. In any case, that church deserves some of the blame. But obviously not all of it.

One verse from Leviticus doesn’t define the whole view of prostitutes in the Bible.

I don't think you want me to quote them all. Anyway, I see marrying a slave as actually worse than prostitution

The institution is seen as wrong (as the Bible sees all sex outside of marriage), but a prostitute (Rahab) is linked to Jesus through the Genealogy of Matthew. In that way, salvation history does not exclude women who have been involved in sex work. Therefore what the Bible says and what this man’s church said are not the same thing.

If I understand Southern Baptists alright, individual pastors can preach pretty much anything, there isn't a promulgator of doctrine. In any case, it is on the subject of sex that the Bible most sets limits which are unreasonable and contradictory by modern standards. The strength of ownership that marriage provides a man, is essentially slavery. What strength of ownership it provides to a woman is rather irrelevant, given that the law of that time would not enforce it.

In this case, despite my joke above, the man might have misunderstood "taking a slave as a wife" being OK, and thought with or without reason that the sex workers were slaves, and justified to himself spending time with them as being a necessary stage of courtship.

If ^this had been going on for a while, a crisis could be precipitated by something as minor as a manager telling him: "you can stay a customer but we need you to stop offering marriage to the girls. Some of them, not telling you which, are married already. You can't marry any of the girls, got it?"

[Purgatio]

He never screamed about killing Asians, and since none of us are mind-readers, of course we aren't gonna be able to definitively say, with 100% certainty, whether Long was motivated by race or not motivated by race.

That doesn't mean we can't make educated inferences. We know the shooter's admitted this killing was the product of a 'sex addiction'. The sexual objectification and fetishisation of East Asian women in the West is both well-documented and deeply-entrenched in American and European histories, à la Madama Butterfly, Miss Saigon and 'Dragon Lady' tropes in popular media. We know that the shooter frequented the predominantly Asian-run massage parlours in that locality in Atlanta. We know that he shot up a predominantly-Asian locality, with predominantly Asian-run businesses, and 6 out of 8 of his victims were East Asian women. Add to that the shooter's admission that he was motivated by a 'sex addiction' and saw these establishments and businesses, specifically, as a sexual temptation he wanted quashed and eliminated, and this being a racially-motivated attack is not at all implausible or outlandish.

Again, none of us are mindreaders, we can't make definitive proclamations either way or in either direction, but it would be remiss not to take this opportunity to raise more awareness on how dangerous the consequences of the dehumanising and racist fetishisation of East Asian women as available sexual objects in US history, lasting until the present day, can have very dangerous consequences for those women.

If you go two more posts up the page you'd realize you're preaching to the choir.

Am I?

Sounds like it was mostly sexually motivated, TBH.

It's less obvious whether he was targeting Asians or they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time because of broader societal trends/issues. A lot of the racial issue here is why so many Asian women are in those kinds of jobs in the first place.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding here but "or they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time" kinda sounds like "it might not be racially-motivated and the overrepresentation amongst East Asian women amongst the victims was coincidence". But I could be misunderstanding. There's the reference to "broader societal trends/issues" so that could mean a lot of different things. Regardless, not attacking your post or anything, just saying it doesn't sound like a post agreeing that the Atlanta shooting was, most likely, racially-motivated or targeted.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

This guy killing Asian prostitutes is the most righteous and beautiful thing ... to certain people combining a Nazi level of racism and a ghoulish level of sociopathy. Personally I prefer the state to be as unlike this piece of shit as possible. Not compete with them.

Anyway, it's extreme and well-publicized cases like this which drive public demand for abolishing the process of appeal and executing shortly after the trial. Over the next years I welcome that debate again, because your side will surely include bloodthirsty and vindicative types who won't even pay lip service to justice or deterrence. Your side probably won't lose completely, it being Georgia, but I look forward to you losing ground.

Supporting things which haven't happened yet is a hard game. I wish you no luck, at all.

If you don’t like the death penalty there’s much better ways to say so.

I've already said I don't like the death penalty.

Arlenton's reply to that:

The state killing this guy would be one of the most righteous and beautiful things this world has ever seen.

Luminesa, you think I should back down, because it's what you'd do. Thanks. No.

[Purgatio]

If what he was against isn't even reliably known from his reported comments to police, then we can learn nothing from the targets being Asian (particularly since that would run counter). The targets being sex workers is a much bigger lead, and also is supported by what he allegedly said to police.

I do somewhat agree the police reports should not be given much weight, at this time. The guy might have said many, contradictory things, and police wouldn't be lying to only release those comments which won't cause racial strife. Booty Koreans if you will ...

I have no problem believing he was motivated by religious fundamentalism, among other things. The church he attended is not a convenient explanation for radicalism, though. There is still some gap between whatever religious indoctrination he got, and going on a murder spree.

The Bible does say terrible things about prostitutes, but it's alright with taking a slave as one's wife: sex slavery. In any case, that church deserves some of the blame. But obviously not all of it.

One verse from Leviticus doesn’t define the whole view of prostitutes in the Bible. The institution is seen as wrong (as the Bible sees all sex outside of marriage), but a prostitute (Rahab) is linked to Jesus through the Genealogy of Matthew. In that way, salvation history does not exclude women who have been involved in sex work. Therefore what the Bible says and what this man’s church said are not the same thing.

Okay but its not just Leviticus though. There's Proverbs 23:27-28 which says "for a prostitute is a deep pit; a harlot is like a narrow well, she lies in wait like a robber and increases the traitors among mankind". There's 1 Corinthians 6:15-16 which says "do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? Never! Or do you not know that he who is joined to a prostitute becomes one body with her? For, as it is written, 'The two will become one flesh'". There's Ezekiel 23:11 which compares the disobedience of Israel and Judah to the so-called 'unfaithfulness' of prostitution - "yet even though Oholibah saw what had happened to Oholah, her sister, she followed right in her footsteps. And she was even more depraved, abandoning herself to her lust and prostitution". There's Deuteronomy 23:18 which says "when you are bringing an offering to fulfill a vow, you must not bring to the house of the Lord your God any offering from the earnings of a prostitute, whether a man or a woman, for both are detestable to the Lord your God". There's the pathologising and stigmatising descriptions of the so-called 'Whore of Babylon' or 'Mother Harlot' in the Book of Revelations, etc.

I know, I know, you're gonna bring up Rahab again and all the wonderful praise the Bible bestows upon this one individual prostitute, as if that one instance alone justifies or wipes away the systemic prejudice that this treatise or document hangs around the neck of an entire community of people, engaged in a deeply-stigmatised, shamed, and shunned profession and employment. Speaking as a gay ex-Christian, I have to say, this is exactly the kind of Biblical argumentation that turned me away from the Church. Its so familiar to me, the bait-and-switch method of reasoning. Pretending that it isn't hateful and prejudiced to stigmatise, shame, and express such textual contempt for an entire community of people, for who and what they are, and then going on and on about how as long as you 'repent' and buy into the idea that you're morally depraved and sexually dysfunctional and God can wash away your sins and make you whole again (like Rahab), you can be redeemed by Christ's sacrifice, as if that somehow changes the fact that you're still pathologising and stigmatising an entire vulnerable group of people, and telling all of them they have to repress this fundamentally-depraved and corrupted part of their life and being in order to enjoy the acceptance by the Church that they otherwise won't receive.

If someone believes in a Holy Book that repeatedly heaps such demeaning and derogatory scorn on an entire community of people, using words like "detestable" and "robber" and "depraved" and what not to paint an entire group of people with such a universalising, denigrating brush, telling them they need to repress and quash a transgressive, depraved part of themselves to gain acceptance and approval, then you really shouldn't be surprised if someone who internalises that worldview is willing to resort to violence against that denigrated community. Its why Christian hate crimes against gay people and prostitutes are so common in American history. Why this person, whose Church preached that exact same pathologising, marginalising, stigmatising message about the so-called 'sexually immoral' according to their official website (https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7vxpd/atlanta-shooting-suspects-church-bashed-radical-feminism-in-deleted-sermons) can contribute and shape the worldview of a sexist parishioner who goes on to call sex workers and massage parlours odious temptations that he had to purge and cleanse from this world.

Sure, nothing in the Bible directly tells people to murder prostitutes. Sure, the Bible has nice praise to heap upon a specific and individual prostitute, for coming to the Lord and helping and assisting the Israelities in their attack on Jericho. Nevertheless, in the interest of having an honest discussion on the ideological causes of anti-sex worker prejudice and misogyny, its worth being willing to also talk about how both Christianity and the shameful verses in the so-called 'Holy Book' have a very direct role and contribution to precisely that kind of hatred and discriminatory attitudes. To ignore that is to elide a rather critical part of the discussion into why this man did what he did, and would be as misleading as pretending race played no role in the shooting.

[Ethel mermania]

Would you be surprised to learn that the number of sex workers under the front of massage shops in this area are majority Asian?

People keep saying that. They don't tend to say how they know.

If he was targeting prostitutes primarily, and went to 3 different parlours, the parlours nearby would have to be 87% Asian for there to be even a 50% chance of it being a co-incidence. (This may be wrong, however the fact that he went to 3 parlours to get his fill of killing makes it unlikely that Asians, OR Prostitutes were targets of opportunity ... or "coincidences" ... and astoundingly, he targeted Asian Prostitutes.)

It's still plausible that Asians were the only kind of prostitute he'd ever frequented, either because of price or some dehumanization on his part, and he fixated on the 'type' as being more abhorrent than either race or role.

Spanish whore houses primarily cater to the Spanish, the vast majority of these places that are accessible are Asian.

Just cause people want to make it about yet another white man hating on Asians, doesn't make it true.