8 dead in Atlanta, Georgia Mass shootings

[Kernen]

Why? The dead don't care.

The victims family will care. Now is not the time to make "edgy" jokes about dead people.

They are vanishingly unlikely to be on NS. It seems more like virtue signalling to make this objection than any genuine concern for those grieving.

[Luminesa]

Was the sarcastic comment really necessary? People died you could at least show some form of respect to the victims.

Why? The dead don't care.

Their families do, and people who knew those families also do.

[Arlenton]

Death penalty please for the love of God fry this motherfucker.

This type of killer is the least likely to be deterred by the death penalty. Not that the death penalty is an effective deterrent overall: people just assume that because it feels like a deterrent to them. People who shoot at cops (for instance) after committing murders, clearly are not bothered by the prospect of dying.

State killing, at enormous expense, and with no or negative deterrent effect on others, serves no purpose but to gratify murderous urges of the public. People who, for some unfathomable reason, react to horrible acts by wanting the state to commit horrible acts on their behalf.

I want the opposite. I want the state to do as much good as possible, by doing the least harm (acknowledging that some harm is necessary, eg taxation). And definitely not set a bad example by killing its own people.

The state killing this guy would be one of the most righteous and beautiful things this world has ever seen.

[Arlenton]

There was a shooting in Atlanta? No way! What are we going to report on next snow in Alaska?

There was a targeted attack on Asian women that left multiple dead because of some racist POS.

[Punished UMN]

tbf
you live in NY
this man lives in GA
no clue if the meme's accurate or not, but the laws are different across jurisdictions

I mean, I'm perfectly willing to concede that it might not have made any difference. I don't really buy the weird "bad day" defense that the police inexplicably, and in terrible taste, decided to lend the guy. My gut instinct is that he probably would have found a way to do something like this, even if he had to wait a few days.

But it's strange that we're willing to take that risk for the 2nd Amendment. And not, you know, for people's right to vote.

Yeah, I think most people who might be mentally disturbed enough or having a bad enough day that they will shoot eight people and not be willing to wait a few days of a waiting period probably wouldn't also go out and buy a gun. The "bad day" thing is a pretty shitty defense of what was clearly premeditated. Even if he bought the gun the same day, there's no way someone wouldn't have a chance to think better of it in the course of the like hour it takes to buy a gun once you even get to the gun store. Sorry if that is word-salady at all.

[Santheres]

The amount of smoothbrains crying and screaming, calling it a hate crime is so repulsively large that it just furthers my belief that I don't actually like people as a whole and probably never will.

They were not shot because of their race, therefore it was not a hate crime. End of. Period. Move the fuck on.

They were shot because they were whores, that doesn't count?

This guy should get the death penalty

*** Warned for use of a slur ***; "whore" is inherently a derogatory and dehumanizing insult. "Prostitute" or the better and all-encompassing "sex worker" would be the profession.

[Kowani]

What was this delay???

The man suspected of killing eight people in a shooting rampage at Atlanta-area spas entered the first site he attacked about an hour before shots were fired.

According to surveillance video obtained by The Washington Post, Robert Aaron Long spent roughly an hour outside Young’s Asian Massage before entering the spa. After entering, one hour and 12 minutes passed before he is seen getting into his car. Police arrived at the spa minutes later.

The time of his departure from Young’s Asian Massage was four minutes before Cherokee County law enforcement received their first reports of shots fired. The Cherokee County Sheriff’s Office did not immediately respond to a request for comment from The Hill and declined to confirm the information to The Post.
[...]
It is also known that Long purchased a handgun the day of the shooting.

[Alcala-Cordel]

idk who needs to hear this but murdering women because you fetishize their race is in fact a racially motivated hate crime.

also, sex work is legitimate. It is in terrible taste to dehumanize murder victims as if they're nothing beyond sex objects.

[Mercatus]

idk who needs to hear this but murdering women because you fetishize their race is in fact a racially motivated hate crime

This whole controversy is just caused from people spouting contradictory bullshit like this.

I'm convinced the guy was a wacko wannabe off the street who thought that these "massage parlors" fueled his sex addiction and therefore they were the ones to blame for his problems.

[Alcala-Cordel]

idk who needs to hear this but murdering women because you fetishize their race is in fact a racially motivated hate crime

This whole controversy is just caused from people spouting contradictory bullshit like this.

I'm convinced the guy was a wacko wannabe off the street who thought that these "massage parlors" fueled his sex addiction and therefore they were the ones to blame for his problems.

and yet for some reason he almost exclusively targeted Asians. Do you think that's just a coincidence?

[The Two Jerseys]

This whole controversy is just caused from people spouting contradictory bullshit like this.

I'm convinced the guy was a wacko wannabe off the street who thought that these "massage parlors" fueled his sex addiction and therefore they were the ones to blame for his problems.

and yet for some reason he almost exclusively targeted Asians. Do you think that's just a coincidence?

Yes.

He can't help that a disproportionate number of Asians work as prostitutes in "massage parlors".

[The Lone Alliance]

What was this delay???

It was his conscience trying to talk him out of it.
It clearly gave up after an hour.

and yet for some reason he almost exclusively targeted Asians. Do you think that's just a coincidence?

Do you know how many non-Asian Massage Parlors there are in Atlanta? It's usually the type of job that's relegated to minorities in the first place, especially since massages are still sometimes fetishized as an "Eastern culture thing".

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

My point is that your analogy with driving licenses leads to the conclusion that people should have to pass a test, of competency, before they're allowed to vote.

That's a literacy test, it has a terrible history of abuse, and there's no way to "fix" it. Absolutely DO scrap it!

Thats not the problem now, it's distribution that is our issue. In states where you have to prove residency and citizenship to drive, your drivers license is your proof, not a lot of poor people without cars have no reason to get a license, and then would have to do voter registration specifically.

Says you. No added burden for some, without added burden for all. Says me.

We do need to make it easier on people to get proper proof of voter eligibility. But again it's fix the system not scrap it.

No matter how "easy" it is -- even doing it online with a phone camera or library computer -- applying a burden to some which does not apply to others, is a discriminatory barrier to voting. Particularly since you admit it would disproportionately affect the poor, this is not a system fix it's a ratfuck.

Haven't you been through this argument a few times? How can you still be on the wrong side of it?

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

and yet for some reason he almost exclusively targeted Asians. Do you think that's just a coincidence?

Do you know how many non-Asian Massage Parlors there are in Atlanta?

Ah, it's the poster from Atlanta we've been waiting for ...

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

This whole controversy is just caused from people spouting contradictory bullshit like this.

I'm convinced the guy was a wacko wannabe off the street who thought that these "massage parlors" fueled his sex addiction and therefore they were the ones to blame for his problems.

and yet for some reason he almost exclusively targeted Asians. Do you think that's just a coincidence?

Also he almost exclusively targeted massage workers. Do you think either is just a coincidence?

"Prostitutes are the worst kind of sinners, they should repent
All these damn Asians nowadays, they shouldn't be here"

... are two beliefs that one could hold at the same time.

[Fedel]

This whole controversy is just caused from people spouting contradictory bullshit like this.

I'm convinced the guy was a wacko wannabe off the street who thought that these "massage parlors" fueled his sex addiction and therefore they were the ones to blame for his problems.

and yet for some reason he almost exclusively targeted Asians. Do you think that's just a coincidence?

Would you be surprised to learn that the number of sex workers under the front of massage shops in this area are majority Asian?

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

and yet for some reason he almost exclusively targeted Asians. Do you think that's just a coincidence?

Would you be surprised to learn that the number of sex workers under the front of massage shops in this area are majority Asian?

People keep saying that. They don't tend to say how they know.

If he was targeting prostitutes primarily, and went to 3 different parlours, the parlours nearby would have to be 87% Asian for there to be even a 50% chance of it being a co-incidence. (This may be wrong, however the fact that he went to 3 parlours to get his fill of killing makes it unlikely that Asians, OR Prostitutes were targets of opportunity ... or "coincidences" ... and astoundingly, he targeted Asian Prostitutes.)

It's still plausible that Asians were the only kind of prostitute he'd ever frequented, either because of price or some dehumanization on his part, and he fixated on the 'type' as being more abhorrent than either race or role.

[The Lone Alliance]

Would you be surprised to learn that the number of sex workers under the front of massage shops in this area are majority Asian?

People keep saying that. They don't tend to say how they know.

If he was targeting prostitutes primarily, and went to 3 different parlours, the parlours nearby would have to be 87% Asian for there to be even a 50% chance of it being a co-incidence. (This may be wrong, however the fact that he went to 3 parlours to get his fill of killing makes it unlikely that Asians, OR Prostitutes were targets of opportunity ... or "coincidences" ... and astoundingly, he targeted Asian Prostitutes.)

It's still plausible that Asians were the only kind of prostitute he'd ever frequented, either because of price or some dehumanization on his part, and he fixated on the 'type' as being more abhorrent than either race or role.

Well there's at least 3 to 4 Black Owned Spas in the Atlanta area according to Google, but if he already held distasteful views towards Asians it's highly likely he didn't even think about checking those places in the first place, then again I don't have the names of the spas targeted so I can't be sure.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Would you be surprised to learn that the number of sex workers under the front of massage shops in this area are majority Asian?

People keep saying that. They don't tend to say how they know.

It's just one of those things you know from living in the country I guess. I know it's the same in WA, every brothel disguised as a massage place up here seems to be Asian too.

[The Lone Alliance]

People keep saying that. They don't tend to say how they know.

It's just one of those things you know from living in the country I guess. I know it's the same in WA, every brothel disguised as a massage place up here seems to be Asian too.

Because it's unfortunately one of those "Stereotype jobs".

[USS Monitor]

Would you be surprised to learn that the number of sex workers under the front of massage shops in this area are majority Asian?

People keep saying that. They don't tend to say how they know.

If he was targeting prostitutes primarily, and went to 3 different parlours, the parlours nearby would have to be 87% Asian for there to be even a 50% chance of it being a co-incidence. (This may be wrong, however the fact that he went to 3 parlours to get his fill of killing makes it unlikely that Asians, OR Prostitutes were targets of opportunity ... or "coincidences" ... and astoundingly, he targeted Asian Prostitutes.)

It's still plausible that Asians were the only kind of prostitute he'd ever frequented, either because of price or some dehumanization on his part, and he fixated on the 'type' as being more abhorrent than either race or role.

The link in the OP says two of the spas were across the street from each other, so "it's right there" may have been a factor.

Of course, racial bias, "I hate prostitutes," and "it's right there" are not mutually exclusive. It could have been a combination of all those things.

[USS Monitor]

People keep saying that. They don't tend to say how they know.

It's just one of those things you know from living in the country I guess. I know it's the same in WA, every brothel disguised as a massage place up here seems to be Asian too.

Brothels disguised as other businesses are really common in China too, though it was mostly hairdressers rather than massage parlors in Shijiazhuang when I lived there. I remember an American friend trying to get an actual haircut and the first place she went had no clue how to actually cut hair. I think she asked a Chinese friend to recommend a good hairdresser so she could get her hair fixed after the first place made a hash of it.

[Kubra]

It's just one of those things you know from living in the country I guess. I know it's the same in WA, every brothel disguised as a massage place up here seems to be Asian too.

Because it's unfortunately one of those "Stereotype jobs".

it's not that, Chinese folks tend to be overrepresented in the massage parlour trade because a number of factors makes them in particular very good marks for human trafficking in a number of jobs that aren't just sex work. The Chinese legal system doesn't deal with fraud very well, even when it impacts their own citizens.

[Vassenor]

...y'all are really desperate for this not to be racially motivated, aren't you?

[Kubra]

...y'all are really desperate for this not to be racially motivated, aren't you?

sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.