Fast Food Work vs Welfare

[Picairn]

Option one, I don’t like the thought of not benefiting to society.
I’m a dirty capitalist, and I’ll stay that, even if I’m the less fortunate one.

Doing volunteer work will benefit society more than sacrificing your life in a corporation making minimum wage.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Fuck making Forbes. Greed kills.

So does communism. :/

Currently the climate change that was covered up by corporations for decades is making the marxist-leninist death toll look like good times. But please, enjoy working in a fast food restaurant barely getting by while the person you work for gets richer and the customers treat you and the people you work with like crap.

[Kannap]

It's a great shame to see the power of capitalist propaganda to trick people into believing that their life can only have meaning if they are pursuing those fat stacks of Canadian dollars, that their goals are only valid if they come with a price tag and thus can only be pursued by running the rat race.

I wouldn't say it's the only way to get any meaning but then how else would you make Forbes?

I'm never going to make Forbes, I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth.

[Socialist States of Ludistan]

Option one, I don’t like the thought of not benefiting to society.
I’m a dirty capitalist, and I’ll stay that, even if I’m the less fortunate one.

Doing volunteer work will benefit society more than sacrificing your life in a corporation making minimum wage.

You can do volunteer work while also working minimum wage, also, in my country we actually don’t have any minimum wage, at least not what I know of.

[Ifreann]

Working for a corporation isn't the only way to benefit society.

But it’s the most effective.

It's really not.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Doing volunteer work will benefit society more than sacrificing your life in a corporation making minimum wage.

You can do volunteer work while also working minimum wage, also, in my country we actually don’t have any minimum wage, at least not what I know of.

You're not an American?

[Socialist States of Ludistan]

So does communism. :/

Currently the climate change that was covered up by corporations for decades is making the marxist-leninist death toll look like good times. But please, enjoy working in a fast food restaurant barely getting by while the person you work for gets richer and the customers treat you and the people you work with like crap.

Communism has killed around 65 million people, and I’m just saying, communism isn’t really environmentally-friendly, well, maybe in your dreams. But I don’t want the mods coming after me due to us ‘changing the subject.’ So let’s stop chatting about this.

[Heloin]

Working for a corporation isn't the only way to benefit society.

But it’s the most effective.

It’s probably among the least effective ways.

[Socialist States of Ludistan]

You can do volunteer work while also working minimum wage, also, in my country we actually don’t have any minimum wage, at least not what I know of.

You're not an American?

Nope, I’m from Denmark.

[Socialist States of Ludistan]

But it’s the most effective.

It’s probably among the least effective ways.

Not where I’m from.

[Zul-ar]

I want a family. A kid and a house and a dog. The American dream of peaceful, upper-middle class suburban life. Kids cost money, houses cost money, and dogs cost money.

Would a kid be happier and healthier with a parent having less money, but more time to spend with him, or a bit more money, but always absent because of work ? Fast food jobs to do involve lots of evening/week-end work, which aren't very compatible with raising a child. And the extra money would quickly disappear in paying for babysitters for those times you've to be at work. That's a really difficult choice to make, and that depends of many factors, but option 2 still sounds better for the child, as long as the money is enough to put food on the table, roof over the head and buy some toys.

Raising a kid is crazy expensive. It's not just food, water and attention. It's clothes and school and so much more. On 67% of Canadian minimum wage you cannot give a child the sort of life they deserve. I'm going to have no generational wealth to pass down to this kid. What about my house, my dog? Guess that's flushed down the drain. Just me and my kid, chilling in poverty. Sounds fun.

Ideally I would wait until I had been promoted to my office job and purchased a house to have a child, but if that can't happen I'll make use of my mother who has told me time and time again that if I have a kid she'd want to babysit. Or I'd coordinate with my SO. A decent-sized house, a good neighborhood, a golden retriever, plenty of money and a house to inherit. I imagine a child would be a lot better off in that situation.

[Kannap]

For the record, in order to get on Forbes' exclusive list you'll need a minimum net worth of $2.1 billion. https://www.thestreet.com/investing/how ... s-15118417

That's $2.6 billion Canadian. With Canadian minimum wage being about $23k per annum, you'd need to be working for 113,044 years.

Oh no you don't, this hypothetical already curses me with poverty and suffering either way, you're not going to add an immortality curse this late in the game.

[Thepeopl]

Option one, I don’t like the thought of not benefiting to society.
I’m a dirty capitalist, and I’ll stay that, even if I’m the less fortunate one.

So you rather feed costumers crap, pollute the environment and be miserable. You do you.

I'll take welfare and actually help society with making play grounds safe for children, collecting trash from the street and nature and teaching others how to educate themselves, cook, clean etc for free. I don't even need a thank you from anyone.

[Socialist States of Ludistan]

Option one, I don’t like the thought of not benefiting to society.
I’m a dirty capitalist, and I’ll stay that, even if I’m the less fortunate one.

So you rather feed costumers crap, pollute the environment and be miserable. You do you.

I'll take welfare and actually help society with making play grounds safe for children, collecting trash from the street and nature and teaching others how to educate themselves, cook, clean etc for free. I don't even need a thank you from anyone.

Listen man, I don’t know where you’re from, but it must be pretty f’ed up for having every single corporation pollute the environment. And I wouldn’t be miserable, i mean, you don’t know me, also, I’m not that bad at cooking.

[The Blaatschapen]

Would a kid be happier and healthier with a parent having less money, but more time to spend with him, or a bit more money, but always absent because of work ? Fast food jobs to do involve lots of evening/week-end work, which aren't very compatible with raising a child. And the extra money would quickly disappear in paying for babysitters for those times you've to be at work. That's a really difficult choice to make, and that depends of many factors, but option 2 still sounds better for the child, as long as the money is enough to put food on the table, roof over the head and buy some toys.

Raising a kid is crazy expensive. It's not just food, water and attention. It's clothes and school and so much more. On 67% of Canadian minimum wage you cannot give a child the sort of life they deserve. I'm going to have no generational wealth to pass down to this kid. What about my house, my dog? Guess that's flushed down the drain. Just me and my kid, chilling in poverty. Sounds fun.

Ideally I would wait until I had been promoted to my office job and purchased a house to have a child, but if that can't happen I'll make use of my mother who has told me time and time again that if I have a kid she'd want to babysit. Or I'd coordinate with my SO. A decent-sized house, a good neighborhood, a golden retriever, plenty of money and a house to inherit. I imagine a child would be a lot better off in that situation.

You can always have a rich partner.

With so much free time on your hands, you can hopefully find someone

[Kannap]

Using Reader view, what are you talking about

Drat! Foiled again!

For the record, in order to get on Forbes' exclusive list you'll need a minimum net worth of $2.1 billion. https://www.thestreet.com/investing/how ... s-15118417

For the record, working at 11.60 per hour (12 hours working day, which I'm pretty sure is more than the legal hours), five days a week, with no holidays, it would take 63 years to earn this amount of money.

Assuming you never spent a penny of it on luxuries like holidays, food or housing.

EDIT: Oops, I misread the minimum wage as 11.60, when it's 11.06. So the calculations would need reworking. But this is close enough.

That just gets you to 2.2 million, not billion

[Kannap]

Working for a corporation isn't the only way to benefit society.

But it’s the most effective.

I think volunteering for local charities that benefit my local community does far more than burning myself on the deep fryer to make WcMonald's CEO richer.

[Heloin]

It’s probably among the least effective ways.

Not where I’m from.

No, no where. Unless you’re country is solely run by corporations and Denmark isn’t.

[Socialist States of Ludistan]

But it’s the most effective.

I think volunteering for local charities that benefit my local community does far more than burning myself on the deep fryer to make WcMonald's CEO richer.

I may not have entirely understood this thread, but it didn’t say that it was McDonald’s, did it?
It could be your local little burger stand, and although the pay might not be great, you’ll know that you’re helping a poor family make a living, and isn’t that enough in itself?

[Socialist States of Ludistan]

Not where I’m from.

No, no where. Unless you’re country is solely run by corporations and Denmark isn’t.

And can you explain why that is, or will you just leave me confused to how your logic works?

[Heloin]

I think volunteering for local charities that benefit my local community does far more than burning myself on the deep fryer to make WcMonald's CEO richer.

I may not have entirely understood this thread, but it didn’t say that it was McDonald’s, did it?
It could be your local little burger stand, and although the pay might not be great, you’ll know that you’re helping a poor family make a living, and isn’t that enough in itself?

The premise of the OP is that you’re only option is a large corporate fast food chain. You’re not working for Dave’s Burger Shack with Dave on the beach.

[Kannap]

I think volunteering for local charities that benefit my local community does far more than burning myself on the deep fryer to make WcMonald's CEO richer.

I may not have entirely understood this thread, but it didn’t say that it was McDonald’s, did it?
It could be your local little burger stand, and although the pay might not be great, you’ll know that you’re helping a poor family make a living, and isn’t that enough in itself?

I didn't say it was McDonalds either, but the hypothetical does suggest you're working your way up the corporate ladder, which knocks your local mom and pop burger stand off the list since they're probably not a large corporation with upward movement promotion-wise.

[Kilobugya]

Option one, I don’t like the thought of not benefiting to society.

Selling unhealthy food to poison people and make a few already very rich person even richer isn't what I would call "benefiting to society".

[The Free Joy State]

Drat! Foiled again!

For the record, working at 11.60 per hour (12 hours working day, which I'm pretty sure is more than the legal hours), five days a week, with no holidays, it would take 63 years to earn this amount of money.

Assuming you never spent a penny of it on luxuries like holidays, food or housing.

EDIT: Oops, I misread the minimum wage as 11.60, when it's 11.06. So the calculations would need reworking. But this is close enough.

That just gets you to 2.2 million, not billion

I have to start sleeping one of these weeks.

In that case, even if the person who takes this job sleeps on the restaurant floor and eats the burgers their employers throws out at the end of the day and never takes a holiday or has any recreation (saving every penny for the "Forbes Fund") they can't ever hope to get on the rich-list. Not that they had a realistic chance before, since someone is not likely to work for sixty-three years. But, you know...

[Socialist States of Ludistan]

I may not have entirely understood this thread, but it didn’t say that it was McDonald’s, did it?
It could be your local little burger stand, and although the pay might not be great, you’ll know that you’re helping a poor family make a living, and isn’t that enough in itself?

The premise of the OP is that you’re only option is a large corporate fast food chain. You’re not working for Dave’s Burger Shack with Dave on the beach.

Why not? I wanna work for Dave’s Burger Shack.
Again, I might have misunderstood the thread, but it didn’t explicitly say anywhere that I couldn’t work for Dave’s Burger Shack. And although working for Dave might be considered ‘cheating,’ isn’t it also in a way cheating to do charity work when picking option 2?