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What ideology (1–2) do you personally most agree (or least disagree) with?

Socialism
117
22%
Republicanism
36
7%
Liberalism
107
20%
Internationalism
21
4%
Environmentalism
61
11%
Capitalism
55
10%
Conservatism
47
9%
Authoritarianism
28
5%
Nationalism
58
11%
Productivism
12
2%
 
Total votes : 542

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The Greater Gothic Empire
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Postby The Greater Gothic Empire » Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:55 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:Socialism and nationalism.

Socialism for the material needs.

Nationalism as a form of ritualistic social cohesion.

Very much this.

I consider myself an authoritarian socialist (of the non-Marxist/non-social democratic variety) and nationalist (non-ultraconservative/non-right wing 'populist').
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Exogenous Imperium
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Postby Exogenous Imperium » Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:04 pm

Arisyan wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Productivism doesn't constitute a ideology. It's a belief, sure, but it doesn't really meet the threshold of being an ideology as such.


more or less, it can be defined as "anti-environmentalism", or an opposition to protecting the environment.



I didn't know that was what Productivism stood for otherwise I would have chosen it.

Picked Conservatism and Nationalism.

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Postby Cekovia » Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:27 pm

i would describe myself as a conservative authoritarian nationalist environmentalist socialist
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Democratic Communist Federation
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:47 pm

I'm fairly sure those ideologies are considered "reformist" by leftists


It is a complex issue. Some communists call themselves democratic socialists (and even belong to democratic socialist political parties). My anecdotal observation is that, at least in certain cases, many of them simply believe that democratic socialism is less objectionable than communism. Now we have, at least in the U.S., a lot of social democrats (like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez/AOC) calling themselves democratic socialists. That is why I avoid the socialist label for myself.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:51 pm

National Capitalist United States wrote:Is market socialism a form of capitalism to you? Just asking


Market socialism, advocated by certain members of the Union for Radical Political Economics, is a big tent. However, I would say that many (but not all) market socialists are basically social democrats (reformist capitalists).
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Postby United Latin American States » Sun Mar 14, 2021 9:03 pm

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Postby National Capitalist United States » Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:43 pm

Nakena wrote:
National Capitalist United States wrote:That's why I said "trans strasserist"


Seems you got an entry too! National Capitalism

Looks 100% non-sus. 8)

That isn't sus at all.
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Postby Nakena » Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:45 pm

National Capitalist United States wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Seems you got an entry too! National Capitalism

Looks 100% non-sus. 8)

That isn't sus at all.


Checked and kekked.

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:03 pm

Since I can only choose two I opted for "Republican Nationalist".
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Postby Sanlibutan » Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:24 pm

The results (%) as of 286 votes (the present results may be different):

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Key:
-- Socialism (22%)
-- Liberalism (22%)
-- Environmentalism (12%)
-- Nationalism (12%)
-- Capitalism (10%)
-- Republicanism (7%)
-- Authoritarianism (6%)
-- Conservatism (5%)
-- Internationalism (3%)
-- Productivism (1%)

Complementary* comparisons:
* Complementary does not necessarily imply opposition, they can be mixed together. Voters have been forced to choose between 1 and 2 ideologies to support, thus the comparisons below only represent the most passionate of support. Some may have even voted for both sides of a comparison.

Socialism (69% - supermajority)
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Republicanism (60% - clear majority)
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Liberalism (79% - supermajority)
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Internationalism (22%)
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Environmentalism (89% - overwhelming majority)
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National Capitalist United States
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Postby National Capitalist United States » Thu Mar 25, 2021 5:55 pm

Wizlandia wrote:Voted Liberalism and Capitalism. Though I'm also pro-republicanism, pro-internationalism, and probably lean slightly more pro-environmentalism on Productivism-Environmentalism scale.

Ngl the popularity of socialism and nationalism in this poll is somewhat concerning.

Yeah it's a bit concerning ngl
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Postby Cekovia » Thu Mar 25, 2021 6:34 pm

National Capitalist United States wrote:
Wizlandia wrote:Voted Liberalism and Capitalism. Though I'm also pro-republicanism, pro-internationalism, and probably lean slightly more pro-environmentalism on Productivism-Environmentalism scale.

Ngl the popularity of socialism and nationalism in this poll is somewhat concerning.

Yeah it's a bit concerning ngl

maybe if capitalism and internationalism had substantially better consequences for more than like 5% of people than socialism and nationalism, more would be in favor of it
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Postby Sanlibutan » Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:01 pm

Well, I think the poll has reached its outer limits. 290 votes as of this post, results have more or less remained the same since the last manual tally. There is a majority domination of socialism, liberalism, and environmentalism — which has remained consistent for a while.

All the feedback offered by others here has been a great help.

Just as a few "open-air" notes to myself:
  • Some participants were frustrated by the lack of options, there being only 10 (this is the limit in the forum software settings itself)
  • Addition of more options may be best in future more comprehensive polls, albeit not too much more
  • Use of the forums to conduct more comprehensive polls would be (obviously) impractical, a different platform would have to be utilized (and a larger user pool)
  • In future political polls, use of ideological terms should be avoided (a focus on general policy preferences may be better)

Thank you to all who have participated thus far in the poll.

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Zaviana
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Postby Zaviana » Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:06 pm

Liberalism and Internationalism. People need political and economic freedom so that they have a comfortable wealth, and we need to move on from national barriers and create good relationships (economic, political, etc.) to forward the world into the modern age.
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Mimi Mimikins
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Postby Mimi Mimikins » Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:14 pm

I'm a Productivist National Bolshevik.
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Postby Sanlibutan » Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:06 am

The results (%) as of 305 votes (the present results may be different):

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Key:
-- Socialism (22%)
-- Liberalism (22%)
-- Nationalism (12%)
-- Environmentalism (11%)
-- Capitalism (10%)
-- Republicanism (7%)
-- Conservatism (6%)
-- Authoritarianism (5%)
-- Internationalism (4%)
-- Productivism (2%)

Complementary* comparisons:
* Complementary does not necessarily imply opposition, they can be mixed together. Voters have been forced to choose between 1 and 2 ideologies to support, thus the comparisons below only represent the most passionate of support. Some may have even voted for both sides of a comparison.

Socialism (70% - supermajority)
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Republicanism (54% - simple majority)
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Liberalism (81% - overwhelming majority)
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Internationalism (23%)
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Environmentalism (85% - overwhelming majority)
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Provided there are no major changes in the results, this will be the last manual tally. Overall the results have remained fairly similar, although productivism has saw a slight increase, as well as conservatism, liberalism, and nationalism. Socialism remains dominant over capitalism but the latter still enjoys a sizeable amount of support. Socialism and liberalism remain the two most dominant supported ideologies, which may imply that among participants of the poll, there is considerable support for liberal socialist ideals. The main limitation of the poll is that there is no way to determine how many of liberals voted socialist, or vice versa — as with any other combinations. The poll results thus can only be treated holistically.

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Ratdoth
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Postby Ratdoth » Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:16 am

What if picked Socialism and Capitalism... :?:

I picked Socialism and Liberalism but I would also choose nationalism and only a limited time authoritarianism.

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Eacha Fecha
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Postby Eacha Fecha » Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:17 am

id say i am an environmentalist capitalist.

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Immortan Khan
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Postby Immortan Khan » Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:26 am

What if you're all of these though?
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Postby Sanlibutan » Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:35 am

Immortan Khan wrote:What if you're all of these though?


Choose the top two that you fit with most.

If you are all of them equally, then well, in the eyes of this system, you are...
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:38 am

Liberalism, republicanism. No surprised there.

Environmentalism is third, mostly because we need to be. It's more shaped by the current circumstances.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:01 am

There sure are alot of contradictions in this thread.
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Postby Untecna » Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:50 am

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Postby Tierra Fuego » Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:30 pm

Republicanism and Internationalism informed by radical pacificism. 8) Good categories!
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