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What ideology (1–2) do you personally most agree (or least disagree) with?

Socialism
117
22%
Republicanism
36
7%
Liberalism
107
20%
Internationalism
21
4%
Environmentalism
61
11%
Capitalism
55
10%
Conservatism
47
9%
Authoritarianism
28
5%
Nationalism
58
11%
Productivism
12
2%
 
Total votes : 542

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Duvniask
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Duvniask » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:30 am

Aequalitatis ac Libertatis wrote:
Duvniask wrote:Word salad.

...why is that word salad?

Because you're picking whatever you think sounds nice and throwing it together, thinking you have something resembling a coherent worldview when in fact it's nothing but an incoherent mess. Socialists are not liberals, as liberalism is an ideological cover for capitalism with its support of bourgeois democracy and private property.

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Forsher
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Founded: Jan 30, 2012
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Postby Forsher » Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:16 am

That is not republicanism.
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Ostroeuropa
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:27 am

Socialism and nationalism.

Socialism for the material needs.

Nationalism as a form of ritualistic social cohesion.
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Borderlands of Rojava
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:36 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:Socialism and nationalism.

Socialism for the material needs.

Nationalism as a form of ritualistic social cohesion.


Socialism and nationalism. Like a National...socialism...
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Dumb Ideologies
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:26 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Socialism and nationalism.

Socialism for the material needs.

Nationalism as a form of ritualistic social cohesion.


Socialism and nationalism. Like a National...socialism...


Look my dude, none of us here want to have to set up an authoritarian democide state but if you all keep lunging in to punch then self-defence prevails.
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
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Sanlibutan
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Postby Sanlibutan » Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:11 pm

Duvniask wrote:
Aequalitatis ac Libertatis wrote:...why is that word salad?

Because you're picking whatever you think sounds nice and throwing it together, thinking you have something resembling a coherent worldview when in fact it's nothing but an incoherent mess. Socialists are not liberals, as liberalism is an ideological cover for capitalism with its support of bourgeois democracy and private property.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_socialism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism

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National Capitalist United States
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Postby National Capitalist United States » Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:35 pm

Sanlibutan wrote:
Duvniask wrote:Because you're picking whatever you think sounds nice and throwing it together, thinking you have something resembling a coherent worldview when in fact it's nothing but an incoherent mess. Socialists are not liberals, as liberalism is an ideological cover for capitalism with its support of bourgeois democracy and private property.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_socialism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism

I'm fairly sure those ideologies are considered "reformist" by leftists
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Duvniask
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Duvniask » Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:37 pm

Sanlibutan wrote:
Duvniask wrote:Because you're picking whatever you think sounds nice and throwing it together, thinking you have something resembling a coherent worldview when in fact it's nothing but an incoherent mess. Socialists are not liberals, as liberalism is an ideological cover for capitalism with its support of bourgeois democracy and private property.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_socialism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism

In others words, liberalism.

Look, buddy. I'm well aware that these are a thing that people refer to, but they're a misuse of vocabulary in precisely the same way that national socialism is. Slapping a new label on the latest iteration of capitalist reformism does not change what it fundamentally is.

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National Capitalist United States
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Postby National Capitalist United States » Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:40 pm

Duvniask wrote:

In others words, liberalism.

Look, buddy. I'm well aware that these are a thing that people refer to, but they're a misuse of vocabulary in precisely the same way that national socialism is. Slapping a new label on the latest iteration of capitalist reformism does not change what it fundamentally is.

One question...

Is market socialism a form of capitalism to you? Just asking
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Duvniask
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Duvniask » Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:43 pm

National Capitalist United States wrote:
Duvniask wrote:In others words, liberalism.

Look, buddy. I'm well aware that these are a thing that people refer to, but they're a misuse of vocabulary in precisely the same way that national socialism is. Slapping a new label on the latest iteration of capitalist reformism does not change what it fundamentally is.

One question...

Is market socialism a form of capitalism to you? Just asking

Yes.

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My Political Fantasy
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Postby My Political Fantasy » Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:43 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Socialism and nationalism.

Socialism for the material needs.

Nationalism as a form of ritualistic social cohesion.


Socialism and nationalism. Like a National...socialism...


Some things are more uniting than class. (But that is the only tenet of Fascism I agree with.)
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Sanlibutan
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Postby Sanlibutan » Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:47 pm

Duvniask wrote:

In others words, liberalism.

Look, buddy. I'm well aware that these are a thing that people refer to, but they're a misuse of vocabulary in precisely the same way that national socialism is. Slapping a new label on the latest iteration of capitalist reformism does not change what it fundamentally is.


Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

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Austrodia
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Postby Austrodia » Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:47 pm

I'm definitely an authoritarian thats the only smart choice
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Pro = Austria, Germany, Classical Music, Ukraine, Orban, Hungary, Christianity, Fascism.

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National Capitalist United States
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Postby National Capitalist United States » Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:48 pm

Austrodia wrote:I'm definitely an authoritarian thats the only smart choice

Authoritarianism is unbased and cringe
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Austrodia
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Postby Austrodia » Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:49 pm

National Capitalist United States wrote:
Austrodia wrote:I'm definitely an authoritarian thats the only smart choice

Authoritarianism is unbased and cringe

ok? I was unaware of this popularity contest.
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Pro = Austria, Germany, Classical Music, Ukraine, Orban, Hungary, Christianity, Fascism.

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Enaia
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Founded: Mar 10, 2021
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Enaia » Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:50 pm

capitalism embraces the economy with free market,most of the time.
capitalism.

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National Capitalist United States
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Ex-Nation

Postby National Capitalist United States » Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:51 pm

Austrodia wrote:
National Capitalist United States wrote:Authoritarianism is unbased and cringe

ok? I was unaware of this popularity contest.

Never said it was one.
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:02 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:Socialism and nationalism.

Socialism for the material needs.

Nationalism as a form of ritualistic social cohesion.


Pretty much this.
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Sanlibutan
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Postby Sanlibutan » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:12 pm

The results (%) as of 238 votes (the present results may be different):

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Key:
-- Liberalism
-- Socialism
-- Environmentalism
-- Nationalism
-- Capitalism
-- Republicanism
-- Authoritarianism
-- Internationalism
-- Conservatism
-- Productivism

I've noticed that the results have overall remained mostly the same as more votes have come in since the last manual tally I did. Of course, future results may be different than the present one. I am very grateful to all those who have taken the time to participate in the poll thus far. And also to the users who have offered their thoughts and feedback. It is all very helpful for my project.

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Republic of Vareshia
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Founded: Apr 05, 2020
Psychotic Dictatorship

What is your general Ideology?

Postby Republic of Vareshia » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:18 pm

I would say Capitalism and Conservatism, everyone’s right to free speech and right to own property should be a cornerstone of society.

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Stylan
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Founded: Sep 01, 2019
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Stylan » Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:18 pm

"Internationalism" and "Productivism" are not real ideologies.
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-Ocelot-
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Ex-Nation

Postby -Ocelot- » Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:28 pm

Thanks for updating this thread, Sanlibutan

Stylan wrote:"Internationalism" and "Productivism" are not real ideologies.


You can choose multiple options in this poll and some options are more complimentary than primary. For example, a socialist who doesn't care about the environment could choose "socialism/productivism".

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Aequalitatis ac Libertatis
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Founded: Jun 13, 2020
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Postby Aequalitatis ac Libertatis » Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:46 pm

Duvniask wrote:
Aequalitatis ac Libertatis wrote:...why is that word salad?

Because you're picking whatever you think sounds nice and throwing it together, thinking you have something resembling a coherent worldview when in fact it's nothing but an incoherent mess. Socialists are not liberals, as liberalism is an ideological cover for capitalism with its support of bourgeois democracy and private property.

The OP says to vote according to the given definition, not the exact modern definition. Democratic control of the means of production can coexist with individualism and rule of law
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Stylan
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Stylan » Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:48 pm

Aequalitatis ac Libertatis wrote:
Duvniask wrote:Because you're picking whatever you think sounds nice and throwing it together, thinking you have something resembling a coherent worldview when in fact it's nothing but an incoherent mess. Socialists are not liberals, as liberalism is an ideological cover for capitalism with its support of bourgeois democracy and private property.

The OP says to vote according to the given definition, not the exact modern definition. Democratic control of the means of production can coexist with individualism and rule of law

>he fell for the individualism meme

Individualism is the great cancer of our age.
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Wizlandia
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Postby Wizlandia » Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:53 pm

Voted Liberalism and Capitalism. Though I'm also pro-republicanism, pro-internationalism, and probably lean slightly more pro-environmentalism on Productivism-Environmentalism scale.

Ngl the popularity of socialism and nationalism in this poll is somewhat concerning.
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