Trans Discussion Thread V: Catgirls Don't Need Litterboxes

[RiderSyl]

I don't know why you think we disagree? Those trans people can identify or fetishize anyway they want as long as they are adults (trying to normalize mental illness and a sexual fetish in children is a different issue) and don't harm others with their urges. Live and let live I always say!

Let me be clear, then. Being transgender is not a fetish, and it is not some incurable mental illness. That is where we disagree, John.

[Greater Mobile]

Somehow before I even clicked this thread, I just KNEW there was going to be a poster with an Ayn Rand reference in their name spewing transphobic vitriol. The internet never changes!

[Necroghastia]

>"live and let live!!!!"
>you all are delusional perverts and should not be around kids or decent society at all

good fucking lord

[Uiiop]

I don't know why you think we disagree? Those trans people can identify or fetishize anyway they want as long as they are adults (trying to normalize mental illness and a sexual fetish in children is a different issue) and don't harm others with their urges. Live and let live I always say!

Let me be clear, then. Being transgender is not a fetish, and it is not some incurable mental illness. That is where we disagree, John.

The irony that while Ayn personally disapproved she roughly said being LBGT as an public right and at worst would view the right for an child's private education on such matters the same way to an extent.

[Necroghastia]

You don't need to take my anecdote. Here is a report covering almost 300 cases of sexual crimes against minors in schools over the last five years. There's another 38 cases involving child pornography in there too. This is in line with a larger report spanning twenty years and listing almost 1,300 cases of sexual abuse. These are cases including sexual assault and child pornography. Serious abuse by school staff, and these are only the reported cases. There are doubtless many more that go unreported.

Meanwhile, you're concerned that trans and non-binary teachers are infiltrating schools and abusing children. Your lone example is of a teacher, possibly trans, who wore oversized silicon breasts to school once. Where is the story? Why should anyone take your 'concerns' seriously?

I can be concerned about child abuse in all it's forms. I don't really care if some childless MtF on nationstates wants to patronize me or disregard my opinions. I actually have kids attending public school and I don't want them being taught about how their teacher is essentially confused about who they are and possibly mentally ill, just as much as I don't want some zealot teaching them that the earth is 4000 years old and people rode dinosaurs.

good news then! trans people aren't fucking confused about who they are. how hard is this to fucking grasp.

My brother in Christ you literally compared me to a serial killer for asking you what your opinion of a bomb threat was.

It was implied that I was pro-bombing schools because I said I don't want trans people pushing trans shit to my kids. I've been compared to the Iranian morality police for the same thing. The comment about Dahmer was intended to demonstrate to you how ridiculous it was for you to treat me this way. I don't actually think you share any meaningful similarities with a serial killer.

"trans people pushing trans shit" good grief, what's the next non-issue you're going to pearl-clutch over
im still waiting for you to provide evidence that there's any reason at all to think that there's a problem with trans teachers.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

"maybe women should have a say in how the country is run" - ppl in the 1900's
"stop pushing for feminist propaganda lmfao" - other ppl

literally the level of discourse here

[Necroghastia]

"maybe women should have a say in how the country is run" - ppl in the 1900's
"stop pushing for feminist propaganda lmfao" - other ppl

literally the level of discourse here

no see, it's different because these people are hysterical because of their genitalia... wait.

[Juansonia]

It's attempting to normalize a mental disorder

Being trans is not a mental disorder. It's simply a rare status that often indueces gender dysphoria, a condition which is actually problematiic.

more commonly it's an attempt to normalize a gratifying sexual fetish

Changing who you are on such a fundamental level is not a fetish. Even assuming that you aren't referring to people who actually are trans, and you're just referring to crossdressers and femboys, a man wearing a skirt is not fetishistic, just like how women wearing trousers is not fetishistic. Someone can have a fetish for trans people, and someone can have a fetish for specific clothing styles, but to argue that either is inherently fetishistic is to assume that everyone who wears a military uniform is a fetishistic pervert, while them being military personell is far more likely.

regardless of whether it is heterosexual or not.

So, if you applied that standard, a female teacher requesting to be addressed as "Mrs." is unacceptabale due to breeding kinks?

[Esternial]

It's attempting to normalize a mental disorder at best but more commonly it's an attempt to normalize a gratifying sexual fetish that does not belong around children regardless of whether it is heterosexual or not.

There are only so many times you can refer to trans people as sexual fetishists until people start viewing your posts as less "an opinion you're attempting to support with some form of argumentation" and more "just repetitively calling a large group of people sexual fetishists".

For me the post I quoted above made that intent a little bit more clear to me, hence I am passing out your second *** Warning for Flamebaiting *** in less than 24 hours.

I would take some time to consider how you decide to continue this discussion.

[TheKeyToJoy]

And here's where you show your ignorance on the topic. "acknowledging biological differences between men and women is fantasy"? Trans people are acutely aware of the biological differences between the sexes. AFAB and AMAB are terms that exist in these spaces. What's also acknowledged, in biology and sociology, is that gender is different than biological sex. It's called transgender for a reason.

Being ignorant regarding the basis of a topic (gender) and being misinformed ("trans ppl are mentally ill/sexually deviant!") is how someone ends up making the posts you have. The only real question is, do you care that you're wrong?

You better stop or you’ll be banned or deleted.
I don't know why you think we disagree? Those trans people can identify or fetishize anyway they want as long as they are adults (trying to normalize mental illness and a sexual fetish in children is a different issue) and don't harm others with their urges. Live and let live I always say!

You’ll be banned in days if you don’t stop with your rant.

[Drongonia]

You better stop or you’ll be banned or deleted.
I don't know why you think we disagree? Those trans people can identify or fetishize anyway they want as long as they are adults (trying to normalize mental illness and a sexual fetish in children is a different issue) and don't harm others with their urges. Live and let live I always say!

You’ll be banned in days if you don’t stop with your rant.

He'll make it a day more if he's lucky.

[Farnhamia]

You’ll be banned in days if you don’t stop with your rant.

He'll make it a day more if he's lucky.

Ahem ... don't be troll-implying, now. Report or hush.

[JohnGaltia]

It's attempting to normalize a mental disorder at best but more commonly it's an attempt to normalize a gratifying sexual fetish that does not belong around children regardless of whether it is heterosexual or not.

There are only so many times you can refer to trans people as sexual fetishists until people start viewing your posts as less "an opinion you're attempting to support with some form of argumentation" and more "just repetitively calling a large group of people sexual fetishists".

For me the post I quoted above made that intent a little bit more clear to me, hence I am passing out your second *** Warning for Flamebaiting *** in less than 24 hours.

I would take some time to consider how you decide to continue this discussion.

Why is my opinion not allowed?

[The Orson Empire]

There are only so many times you can refer to trans people as sexual fetishists until people start viewing your posts as less "an opinion you're attempting to support with some form of argumentation" and more "just repetitively calling a large group of people sexual fetishists".

For me the post I quoted above made that intent a little bit more clear to me, hence I am passing out your second *** Warning for Flamebaiting *** in less than 24 hours.

I would take some time to consider how you decide to continue this discussion.

Why is my opinion not allowed?

Maybe it's because you keep denigrating trans people as mentally ill perverts.

[Vassenor]

There are only so many times you can refer to trans people as sexual fetishists until people start viewing your posts as less "an opinion you're attempting to support with some form of argumentation" and more "just repetitively calling a large group of people sexual fetishists".

For me the post I quoted above made that intent a little bit more clear to me, hence I am passing out your second *** Warning for Flamebaiting *** in less than 24 hours.

I would take some time to consider how you decide to continue this discussion.

Why is my opinion not allowed?

It’s right there in the rules that just because something is an honestly held belief does not stop it being flamebaiting or trolling.

The key is how you say things, not what you say.

[Grenartia]

I won't speak for ABH, but I'll tell you why I can't accept that: I live in a deeply red state. I was born (and partially-raised) in another deeply red state. Neither of them are particularly unusual among red states. I've seen and interacted with plenty of people in both states who make no bones about being red voters. I used to be a republican. I say all of this to establish one fact: I know the mindset of most republicans, on an instinctual level. And bigotry is inherent to modern republicanism. Has been all of my life (nearly 30 years). Show me a republican who is genuinely not a bigot, and I'll show you a democrat in denial.

EDIT:

Lemme ask you a question, ICF. Why can't you accept that most republicans ARE bigots?

A. As a Republican who is NOT a bigot since I have no problems with trans rights or gay people as long as they don't hurt me, I know plenty of other republicans just like me. You are interacting with the most CONSERTATIVE republicans out there, whether in West Virginia, Alabama, or a Plains state. I would recommend going out to a more moderate state, or atleast a state that is red but isn't VERY conservative. Most people should not have a problem with trans people because that is what I observed all my life.
B. I can't ACCEPT that because I know many Republicans who aren't bigots and I meant only a handful. It also seems like when people say
"MOST" these days, they are trying to say that 80-95% of their targeted group are that way, and they are not. And coming as a REPUBLICAN, it makes me quite angry when people say that I am a bigot/part of the Bigot just because I agree with their polices.

A. There is no "red but not very conservative" state. That is a contradiction in terms.

B. When you agree with bigoted policies, that makes you a bigot. If you do not wish to be a bigot, stop approving of bigoted policies.

JOHN. Answer this Question.
Why do you call Trans People mentally ill, giving us Republicans and Conservatives a bad image due to you bigoted Republican Minority being way louder than us non-bigoted republican majority?

I hate to break it to you, but you're guilty by association anyway. They hate conservatives.

Hating conservatism is pretty based.

I hate to break it to you, but you're guilty by association anyway. They hate conservatives.

If they do hate conservatives, than that is disappointing and sad. However, they might not. I will wait for their response to your statement to determine.

I hate conservative policies. I hate the conservative thought process.

Because conservatism inherently hates not only queer people, but racial/ethnic/religious minorities, the poor, and hates any meaningful changes to improve life for everyone. Conservative talking heads can gussy it up however they want to try and obfuscate those problems, but I (and other anti-conservatives) can see right through the spin.

Conservative politicians and talking heads spend much more time and effort trying to keep trans people out of the "wrong" bathroom, or pedojacketing queer people as a whole, than they spend on doing anything remotely meaningful about actual dinner table issues affecting most people (not that their proposed solutions to, say, inflation, are any good or very effective for anyone other than the rich, but still).

If hating that about conservatism makes me "a bad person", then so fucking be it.

The amount of times i've had words put in my mouth or had my positions misconstrued in absolute bad faith is truly impressive.

Wait, I think there's a post of yours for this occasion.

The irony of this post is hilarious.

There we go.

The amount of times i've had words put in my mouth or had my positions misconstrued in absolute bad faith is truly impressive.

My brother in Christ you literally compared me to a serial killer for asking you what your opinion of a bomb threat was.

I feel I should point out I know for a fact that IP has been banned from an P2TM RP server for trolling and harassing queer people. The man is not here in good faith (if that was in doubt).

Somehow before I even clicked this thread, I just KNEW there was going to be a poster with an Ayn Rand reference in their name spewing transphobic vitriol. The internet never changes!

To be fair, its been a few years since I last remember the rand worshippers having any visible presence here.

>"live and let live!!!!"
>you all are delusional perverts and should not be around kids or decent society at all

good fucking lord

When your definition of "live and let live" really means "I'll live and let you die".

[Grenartia]

CORRECTION:
It will take effort for the most conservatives and anti-establishment Republicans pass laws that will ban transitional surgery for adults.
Most Republicans don't support banning transgender adults from accesing transitional surgery

Alabama already tried banning HRT for some trans adults by setting their HRT ban limit to under 19s. Its only a matter of time before "until 21" hits the overton window. Swiftly followed by "until 26, because the human brain is still developing until 25".

Anyways, today in "Gren FUCKING CALLED IT": South Carolina has a bill to restrict any form of transition until after 21.

ICF, if you're so concerned about republicans and conservatives being painted as not being bigots, instead of whining to us about calling them bigots, why don't you whine to the bigots to not be bigots?

[Indiana Controlled Florida]

Alabama already tried banning HRT for some trans adults by setting their HRT ban limit to under 19s. Its only a matter of time before "until 21" hits the overton window. Swiftly followed by "until 26, because the human brain is still developing until 25".

Anyways, today in "Gren FUCKING CALLED IT": South Carolina has a bill to restrict any form of transition until after 21.

ICF, if you're so concerned about republicans and conservatives being painted as not being bigots, instead of whining to us about calling them bigots, why don't you whine to the bigots to not be bigots?

I did, I have been. I told that John guy and that Illegal Planets guy to not be bigots.
And still, your fellow liberals attacked me.

[Grenartia]

Anyways, today in "Gren FUCKING CALLED IT": South Carolina has a bill to restrict any form of transition until after 21.

ICF, if you're so concerned about republicans and conservatives being painted as not being bigots, instead of whining to us about calling them bigots, why don't you whine to the bigots to not be bigots?

I did, I have been. I told that John guy and that Illegal Planets guy to not be bigots.

Yeah, I saw. The real question is, have you been demanding that of your elected officials? People in whatever other social media circles you're in?

And still, your fellow liberals attacked me.

My fellow "liberals"? Who am I, the Borg Queen?

[Indiana Controlled Florida]

I did, I have been. I told that John guy and that Illegal Planets guy to not be bigots.

Yeah, I saw. The real question is, have you been demanding that of your elected officials? People in whatever other social media circles you're in?

And still, your fellow liberals attacked me.

My fellow "liberals"? Who am I, the Borg Queen?

1. I don't demand it from my elected officials because when I gain enough cash, I plan to be an elected official. Don't want to tarnish my reputation in the Republican Party.
2. Aren't you a liberal? I am just referring you all in one group since you are leftists.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Aren't you a liberal? I am just referring you all in one group since you are leftists.

Lord in Heaven...

[Necroghastia]

Yeah, I saw. The real question is, have you been demanding that of your elected officials? People in whatever other social media circles you're in?



My fellow "liberals"? Who am I, the Borg Queen?

1. I don't demand it from my elected officials because when I gain enough cash, I plan to be an elected official. Don't want to tarnish my reputation in the Republican Party.

So... self-serving, cowardly hypocrisy is what's keeping you from calling out republicans for being bigots.

2. Aren't you a liberal? I am just referring you all in one group since you are leftists.

god so many leftists would tell you off for calling them liberals lol

[Indiana Controlled Florida]

1. I don't demand it from my elected officials because when I gain enough cash, I plan to be an elected official. Don't want to tarnish my reputation in the Republican Party.

So... self-serving, cowardly hypocrisy is what's keeping you from calling out republicans for being bigots.

2. Aren't you a liberal? I am just referring you all in one group since you are leftists.

god so many leftists would tell you off for calling them liberals lol

1. Yes.
2. I know they would get mad, maybe I could say that All Liberals are Leftists but not all Leftists are Liberals?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I know they would get mad, maybe I could say that All Liberals are Leftists but not all Leftists are Liberals?

We're not mad
We're immensely disappointed that you have decided to trot out this completely retarded and drunken argument

[Indiana Controlled Florida]

I know they would get mad, maybe I could say that All Liberals are Leftists but not all Leftists are Liberals?

We're not mad
We're immensely disappointed that you have decided to trot out this completely retarded and drunken argument

I have decided to trot our this argument because it helps me sound better to the unknowing public while only hurting me with liberals and socialists.