Trans Discussion Thread V: Catgirls Don't Need Litterboxes

[Indiana Controlled Florida]

What you just said is bigoted. Are you reading your own words?

Of course. What is bigoted about what I said?

Saying that trans people are fantasizing about their preference, and you also called trans people mentally ill in the past. That is bigoted

[Alcala-Cordel]

Didn't you go off on one about how everyone who isn't a Christian worships literal Satan? Doesn't exactly scream "non-bigoted" to me.

That was an ill-advised rant, and I apologize and condem my actions.

Are you apologizing because you don't actually believe what you said, or because you didn't mean to admit to those beliefs?

[Indiana Controlled Florida]

That was an ill-advised rant, and I apologize and condem my actions.

Are you apologizing because you don't actually believe what you said, or because you didn't mean to admit to those beliefs?

First One

[Vassenor]

The amount of times i've had words put in my mouth or had my positions misconstrued in absolute bad faith is truly impressive.

My brother in Christ you literally compared me to a serial killer for asking you what your opinion of a bomb threat was.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Are you apologizing because you don't actually believe what you said, or because you didn't mean to admit to those beliefs?

First One

Kinda weird that you'd have any urge to say that to begin with, then.

[Indiana Controlled Florida]

First One

Kinda weird that you'd have any urge to say that to begin with, then.

It is weird, I don't know why I even said that to begin with, but oh well.

[Illegal Planets]

The amount of times i've had words put in my mouth or had my positions misconstrued in absolute bad faith is truly impressive.

My brother in Christ you literally compared me to a serial killer for asking you what your opinion of a bomb threat was.

It was implied that I was pro-bombing schools because I said I don't want trans people pushing trans shit to my kids. I've been compared to the Iranian morality police for the same thing. The comment about Dahmer was intended to demonstrate to you how ridiculous it was for you to treat me this way. I don't actually think you share any meaningful similarities with a serial killer.

[Vassenor]

My brother in Christ you literally compared me to a serial killer for asking you what your opinion of a bomb threat was.

It was implied that I was pro-bombing schools because I said I don't want trans people pushing trans shit to my kids. I've been compared to the Iranian morality police for the same thing. The comment about Dahmer was intended to demonstrate to you how ridiculous it was for you to treat me this way. I don't actually think you share any meaningful similarities with a serial killer.

I didn't say you were in favour of the bomb threat. I asked for your opinion of the bomb threat.

[Illegal Planets]

It was implied that I was pro-bombing schools because I said I don't want trans people pushing trans shit to my kids. I've been compared to the Iranian morality police for the same thing. The comment about Dahmer was intended to demonstrate to you how ridiculous it was for you to treat me this way. I don't actually think you share any meaningful similarities with a serial killer.

I didn't say you were in favour of the bomb threat. I asked for your opinion of the bomb threat.

Psyop

It's a shitty thing to do. The idea of a school being attacked for any reason terrifies me.

[Bewaffnete Krafte]

Yes, because one person in a nation of 332 million is absolutely a good counterargument and is entirely representative of the whole group.

You said it would literally never happen though.

That was an ill-advised rant, and I apologize and condem my actions.

Just stop my guy you don't have to apologize for anything, especially to Vassenor of all people

Semantically, correct, I'm wrong, but maybe if you acknowledged that in a nation of 332 million "never" is impossible and realized, sensibly, that I was referring to "pretty much never", we wouldn't be here arguing this.

[The Black Forrest]

My brother in Christ you literally compared me to a serial killer for asking you what your opinion of a bomb threat was.

It was implied that I was pro-bombing schools because I said I don't want trans people pushing trans shit to my kids. I've been compared to the Iranian morality police for the same thing. The comment about Dahmer was intended to demonstrate to you how ridiculous it was for you to treat me this way. I don't actually think you share any meaningful similarities with a serial killer.

Trans people pushing trans shit to my kids? What exactly is that?

[JohnGaltia]

Of course. What is bigoted about what I said?

Saying that trans people are fantasizing about their preference, and you also called trans people mentally ill in the past. That is bigoted

Mentally ill is not bigoted or unbigoted it's a description of a condition. For example calling a retarded person retarded is not bigoted. Saying someone is bipolar is not bigoted. Whether I say fantasy or delusion or psychoses or belief doesn't constitute prejudice. We have to be able to use words to express thoughts don't we?

[Alcala-Cordel]

My brother in Christ you literally compared me to a serial killer for asking you what your opinion of a bomb threat was.

It was implied that I was pro-bombing schools because I said I don't want trans people pushing trans shit to my kids. I've been compared to the Iranian morality police for the same thing. The comment about Dahmer was intended to demonstrate to you how ridiculous it was for you to treat me this way. I don't actually think you share any meaningful similarities with a serial killer.

Forcing people to comply with your concept of tradition is kinda comparable to the Iranian morality police. There's no legitimate reason not to allow trans people to exist; the efforts of other people to be comfortable in their own skin have nothing to do with you.

[JohnGaltia]

It was implied that I was pro-bombing schools because I said I don't want trans people pushing trans shit to my kids. I've been compared to the Iranian morality police for the same thing. The comment about Dahmer was intended to demonstrate to you how ridiculous it was for you to treat me this way. I don't actually think you share any meaningful similarities with a serial killer.

Trans people pushing trans shit to my kids? What exactly is that?

It's attempting to normalize a mental disorder at best but more commonly it's an attempt to normalize a gratifying sexual fetish that does not belong around children regardless of whether it is heterosexual or not.

[Aggicificicerous]

I can be concerned about child abuse in all it's forms. I don't really care if some childless MtF on nationstates wants to patronize me or disregard my opinions. I actually have kids attending public school and I don't want them being taught about how their teacher is essentially confused about who they are and possibly mentally ill, just as much as I don't want some zealot teaching them that the earth is 4000 years old and people rode dinosaurs.

What does any of your post have to do with a teacher wearing prosthetic breasts? Nothing; that was just an excuse to imply that trans people are all dangerous perverts. For everything you've said, you've given no evidence of child abuse occurring, and it's becoming apparent you don't understand what child abuse is. You might not want your children taught by trans teachers, but you don't have the power to dictate which teachers your school hires. If that's your concern, you'll have to try home schooling, or find a private school that shares your disdain for trans people.

[JohnGaltia]

It was implied that I was pro-bombing schools because I said I don't want trans people pushing trans shit to my kids. I've been compared to the Iranian morality police for the same thing. The comment about Dahmer was intended to demonstrate to you how ridiculous it was for you to treat me this way. I don't actually think you share any meaningful similarities with a serial killer.

Forcing people to comply with your concept of tradition is kinda comparable to the Iranian morality police. There's no legitimate reason not to allow trans people to exist; the efforts of other people to be comfortable in their own skin have nothing to do with you.

Agreed! Those trans people should be allowed to be so as long as their delusions/urges are not harmful to anyone else. Conversely, someone with normal gender conceptions deserves not to have to believe in fantasy just to appease/comfort the mentally ill. Live and let live I always say!

[Alcala-Cordel]

Forcing people to comply with your concept of tradition is kinda comparable to the Iranian morality police. There's no legitimate reason not to allow trans people to exist; the efforts of other people to be comfortable in their own skin have nothing to do with you.

Agreed! Those trans people should be allowed to be so as long as their delusions/urges are not harmful to anyone else. Conversely, someone with normal gender conceptions deserves not to have to believe in fantasy just to appease/comfort the mentally ill. Live and let live I always say!

Then you don't agree whatsoever, because you're still imposing a backward concept of tradition onto people whose actions are not any of your business.

[RiderSyl]

Forcing people to comply with your concept of tradition is kinda comparable to the Iranian morality police. There's no legitimate reason not to allow trans people to exist; the efforts of other people to be comfortable in their own skin have nothing to do with you.

Agreed! Those trans people should be allowed to be so as long as their delusions/urges are not harmful to anyone else. Conversely, someone with normal gender conceptions deserves not to have to believe in fantasy just to appease/comfort the mentally ill. Live and let live I always say!

If someone with 'normal' gender conceptions deserves not to have to believe in fantasy, then I have some bad news for you. Believing that trans people are simply experiencing delusion or sexual deviancy is believing in fantasy.

[JohnGaltia]

Agreed! Those trans people should be allowed to be so as long as their delusions/urges are not harmful to anyone else. Conversely, someone with normal gender conceptions deserves not to have to believe in fantasy just to appease/comfort the mentally ill. Live and let live I always say!

Then you don't agree whatsoever, because you're still imposing a backward concept of tradition onto people whose actions are not any of your business.

I'm not imposing anything. I just stated to each their own. My actions are none of their business either. See how that works?

[RiderSyl]

Then you don't agree whatsoever, because you're still imposing a backward concept of tradition onto people whose actions are not any of your business.

I'm not imposing anything. I just stated to each their own. My actions are none of their business either. See how that works?

All you did was throw in a libertarian catchphrase at the end of a political stance pushed by authoritarian social conservatives.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Then you don't agree whatsoever, because you're still imposing a backward concept of tradition onto people whose actions are not any of your business.

I'm not imposing anything. I just stated to each their own. My actions are none of their business either. See how that works?

If you weren't imposing anything you wouldn't be discussing this. By antagonizing people you make it their business.

[RiderSyl]

I'm not imposing anything. I just stated to each their own. My actions are none of their business either. See how that works?

If you weren't imposing anything you wouldn't be discussing this. By antagonizing people you make it their business.

You've set John up perfectly for a "But trans people do the same thing by existing!" reply here.

[JohnGaltia]

Agreed! Those trans people should be allowed to be so as long as their delusions/urges are not harmful to anyone else. Conversely, someone with normal gender conceptions deserves not to have to believe in fantasy just to appease/comfort the mentally ill. Live and let live I always say!

If someone with 'normal' gender conceptions deserves not to have to believe in fantasy, then I have some bad news for you. Believing that trans people are simply experiencing delusion or sexual deviancy is believing in fantasy.

Fine. Believing a man with a penis is a woman is reality and acknowledging biological differences between men and women is fantasy. Got it. If that is what you want to believe I don't have a problem with that. Just don't demand that everyone else needs to accept that. Live and let live I always say!

[RiderSyl]

If someone with 'normal' gender conceptions deserves not to have to believe in fantasy, then I have some bad news for you. Believing that trans people are simply experiencing delusion or sexual deviancy is believing in fantasy.

Fine. Believing a man with a penis is a woman is reality and acknowledging biological differences between men and women is fantasy. Got it. If that is what you want to believe I don't have a problem with that. Just don't demand that everyone else needs to accept that.

And here's where you show your ignorance on the topic. "acknowledging biological differences between men and women is fantasy"? Trans people are acutely aware of the biological differences between the sexes. AFAB and AMAB are terms that exist in these spaces. What's also acknowledged, in biology and sociology, is that gender is different than biological sex. It's called transgender for a reason.

Being ignorant regarding the basis of a topic (gender) and being misinformed ("trans ppl are mentally ill/sexually deviant!") is how someone ends up making the posts you have. The only real question is, do you care that you're wrong?

[JohnGaltia]

Fine. Believing a man with a penis is a woman is reality and acknowledging biological differences between men and women is fantasy. Got it. If that is what you want to believe I don't have a problem with that. Just don't demand that everyone else needs to accept that.

And here's where you show your ignorance on the topic. "acknowledging biological differences between men and women is fantasy"? Trans people are acutely aware of the biological differences between the sexes. AFAB and AMAB are terms that exist in these spaces. What's also acknowledged, in biology and sociology, is that gender is different than biological sex. It's called transgender for a reason.

Being ignorant regarding the basis of a topic (gender) and being misinformed ("trans ppl are mentally ill/sexually deviant!") is how someone ends up making the posts you have. The only real question is, do you care that you're wrong?

I don't know why you think we disagree? Those trans people can identify or fetishize anyway they want as long as they are adults (trying to normalize mental illness and a sexual fetish in children is a different issue) and don't harm others with their urges. Live and let live I always say!