Trans Discussion Thread V: Catgirls Don't Need Litterboxes

[Ifreann]

Meanwhile perhaps you should address your side's response to the situation.

My side? If those nutcases are "my side" then you'd better go ahead and claim Dahmer.

Why?

[Illegal Planets]

My side? If those nutcases are "my side" then you'd better go ahead and claim Dahmer.

What makes Dahmer on my side? Or are you now diving for the hyperbole rather than condemn bomb threats?

I know a lot of you get off on controlling people's speech. I won't humor you or lend credence to your retarded claim that I am refusing to condemn bomb threats by explicitly disavowing bomb threats lol.

[Illegal Planets]

My side? If those nutcases are "my side" then you'd better go ahead and claim Dahmer.

Why?

C'mon, you're bright. Surely you can see the parallels of Vassenor comparing me to a conservative maniac and me comparing them to a homosexual maniac.

[Vassenor]

What makes Dahmer on my side? Or are you now diving for the hyperbole rather than condemn bomb threats?

I know a lot of you get off on controlling people's speech. I won't humor you or lend credence to your retarded claim that I am refusing to condemn bomb threats by explicitly disavowing bomb threats lol.

You’re literally demanding the right to police speech in the name of preserving morality but we’re the ones who get off on controlling speech somehow.

[Ifreann]

Why?

C'mon, you're bright. Surely you can see the parallels of Vassenor comparing me to a conservative maniac and me comparing them to a homosexual maniac.

No. You are on the side of conservative transphobes, since you also hold those political beliefs. The same can't be said of queer people in general.

[Aggicificicerous]

Lacking the effort to use your own ideas to refute me, you used someone else's. I reject the notion that given the context of the influx of openly trans/non-binary teachers into school systems that this particular occurrence is a non-story. I also reject this user's personal anecdote.

You asked me if I knew what gender expression is. I gave you my answer.

You are all so focused on minimizing and excusing inappropriate behavior of teachers because they are playing for your team.

You don't need to take my anecdote. Here is a report covering almost 300 cases of sexual crimes against minors in schools over the last five years. There's another 38 cases involving child pornography in there too. This is in line with a larger report spanning twenty years and listing almost 1,300 cases of sexual abuse. These are cases including sexual assault and child pornography. Serious abuse by school staff, and these are only the reported cases. There are doubtless many more that go unreported.

Meanwhile, you're concerned that trans and non-binary teachers are infiltrating schools and abusing children. Your lone example is of a teacher, possibly trans, who wore oversized silicon breasts to school once. Where is the story? Why should anyone take your 'concerns' seriously?

[JohnGaltia]

I think we can all agree that just because someone is delusional and/or a fetishist (to distinguish the difference between those actually wanting to be a different sex and those simply wanting to represent a female without having to curtail their urges through castration and penectomy for example) they should be allowed to be so as long as those delusions/urges are not harmful to anyone else. Conversely, someone with normal gender conceptions deserves not to have to believe in fantasy just to appease/comfort the mentally ill. Live and let live I always say!

[Indiana Controlled Florida]

I think we can all agree that just because someone is delusional and/or a fetishist (to distinguish the difference between those actually wanting to be a different sex and those simply wanting to represent a female without having to curtail their urges through castration and penectomy for example) they should be allowed to be so as long as those delusions/urges are not harmful to anyone else. Conversely, someone with normal gender conceptions deserves not to have to believe in fantasy just to appease/comfort the mentally ill. Live and let live I always say!

This is far too conservative, even for the GOP.
The bigoted minority needs to quiet down so then the actual non-bigoted Majority starts to speak up more.

[Hispida]

I think we can all agree that just because someone is delusional and/or a fetishist (to distinguish the difference between those actually wanting to be a different sex and those simply wanting to represent a female without having to curtail their urges through castration and penectomy for example) they should be allowed to be so as long as those delusions/urges are not harmful to anyone else. Conversely, someone with normal gender conceptions deserves not to have to believe in fantasy just to appease/comfort the mentally ill. Live and let live I always say!

it's not delusion, and it's not being mentally ill. i could bring up a few studies or sources, especially on cultures (including ancient jewish) that don't have binary gender systems, but i doubt you'd read them.

[Sordhau]

ok, question time. how many people here have started viewing games, shows, &c. through a trans lens now that you're out to yourself/others? because i'll be damned if i didn't notice that FF7, while not a trans allegory, has a lot of value being viewed through a trans lens and that my life as a teenage robot was totally a transgender allegory.

i was wondering why i liked jenny so much.

Ngl I kinda wish I had watched that show as a kid.

[Hispida]

ok, question time. how many people here have started viewing games, shows, &c. through a trans lens now that you're out to yourself/others? because i'll be damned if i didn't notice that FF7, while not a trans allegory, has a lot of value being viewed through a trans lens and that my life as a teenage robot was totally a transgender allegory.

i was wondering why i liked jenny so much.

Ngl I kinda wish I had watched that show as a kid.

still holds up, tbh. watch it now!

[JohnGaltia]

I think we can all agree that just because someone is delusional and/or a fetishist (to distinguish the difference between those actually wanting to be a different sex and those simply wanting to represent a female without having to curtail their urges through castration and penectomy for example) they should be allowed to be so as long as those delusions/urges are not harmful to anyone else. Conversely, someone with normal gender conceptions deserves not to have to believe in fantasy just to appease/comfort the mentally ill. Live and let live I always say!

This is far too conservative, even for the GOP.
The bigoted minority needs to quiet down so then the actual non-bigoted Majority starts to speak up more.

live and let live, to each their own, etc. What can be any less bigoted than individual rights? " Man has a right to live as a rational being: nature forbids him the irrational. Any group, any gang, any nation that attempts to negate man’s rights, is wrong, which means: is evil, which means: is anti-life."

[Indiana Controlled Florida]

This is far too conservative, even for the GOP.
The bigoted minority needs to quiet down so then the actual non-bigoted Majority starts to speak up more.

live and let live, to each their own, etc. What can be any less bigoted than individual rights? " Man has a right to live as a rational being: nature forbids him the irrational. Any group, any gang, any nation that attempts to negate man’s rights, is wrong, which means: is evil, which means: is anti-life."

A. As a Republican, I am disappointed in you. Let me ask you a question, Why do you call Trans People "Mentally Ill" giving a bad image to Republicans and Conservatives?

[Ifreann]

I think we can all agree that just because someone is delusional and/or a fetishist (to distinguish the difference between those actually wanting to be a different sex and those simply wanting to represent a female without having to curtail their urges through castration and penectomy for example) they should be allowed to be so as long as those delusions/urges are not harmful to anyone else. Conversely, someone with normal gender conceptions deserves not to have to believe in fantasy just to appease/comfort the mentally ill. Live and let live I always say!

Desperately begging strangers on the internet to let me misgender people.

[Illegal Planets]

Lacking the effort to use your own ideas to refute me, you used someone else's. I reject the notion that given the context of the influx of openly trans/non-binary teachers into school systems that this particular occurrence is a non-story. I also reject this user's personal anecdote.

You asked me if I knew what gender expression is. I gave you my answer.

You are all so focused on minimizing and excusing inappropriate behavior of teachers because they are playing for your team.

You don't need to take my anecdote. Here is a report covering almost 300 cases of sexual crimes against minors in schools over the last five years. There's another 38 cases involving child pornography in there too. This is in line with a larger report spanning twenty years and listing almost 1,300 cases of sexual abuse. These are cases including sexual assault and child pornography. Serious abuse by school staff, and these are only the reported cases. There are doubtless many more that go unreported.

Meanwhile, you're concerned that trans and non-binary teachers are infiltrating schools and abusing children. Your lone example is of a teacher, possibly trans, who wore oversized silicon breasts to school once. Where is the story? Why should anyone take your 'concerns' seriously?

I can be concerned about child abuse in all it's forms. I don't really care if some childless MtF on nationstates wants to patronize me or disregard my opinions. I actually have kids attending public school and I don't want them being taught about how their teacher is essentially confused about who they are and possibly mentally ill, just as much as I don't want some zealot teaching them that the earth is 4000 years old and people rode dinosaurs.

[Sordhau]

I think we can all agree that just because someone is delusional and/or a fetishist (to distinguish the difference between those actually wanting to be a different sex and those simply wanting to represent a female without having to curtail their urges through castration and penectomy for example) they should be allowed to be so as long as those delusions/urges are not harmful to anyone else. Conversely, someone with normal gender conceptions deserves not to have to believe in fantasy just to appease/comfort the mentally ill. Live and let live I always say!

Desperately begging strangers on the internet to let me misgender people.

Meanwhile I'm desperately begging transphobes to stop polluting this thread with their ignorant/hateful takes. This is supposed to be a place to discuss trans issues, not listen to transphobic conspiracy theorists fearmonger over bathrooms and schools while demanding their views be respected after showing complete disdain for us and our lifestyles.

[JohnGaltia]

I think we can all agree that just because someone is delusional and/or a fetishist (to distinguish the difference between those actually wanting to be a different sex and those simply wanting to represent a female without having to curtail their urges through castration and penectomy for example) they should be allowed to be so as long as those delusions/urges are not harmful to anyone else. Conversely, someone with normal gender conceptions deserves not to have to believe in fantasy just to appease/comfort the mentally ill. Live and let live I always say!

it's not delusion, and it's not being mentally ill. i could bring up a few studies or sources, especially on cultures (including ancient jewish) that don't have binary gender systems, but i doubt you'd read them.

Fine. If you prefer disorder to illness it doesn't matter to me. My point is everyone deserves their own individual rights to believe in this "movement" or be rational.

[JohnGaltia]

Desperately begging strangers on the internet to let me misgender people.

Meanwhile I'm desperately begging transphobes to stop polluting this thread with their ignorant/hateful takes. This is supposed to be a place to discuss trans issues, not listen to transphobic conspiracy theorists fearmonger over bathrooms and schools while demanding their views be respected after showing complete disdain for us and our lifestyles.

Why is disagreeing with you hateful? I have continually said everyone deserves their own lifestyle choices. How is that distain?

[Indiana Controlled Florida]

Meanwhile I'm desperately begging transphobes to stop polluting this thread with their ignorant/hateful takes. This is supposed to be a place to discuss trans issues, not listen to transphobic conspiracy theorists fearmonger over bathrooms and schools while demanding their views be respected after showing complete disdain for us and our lifestyles.

Why is disagreeing with you hateful? I have continually said everyone deserves their own lifestyle choices. How is that distain?

JOHN. Answer this Question.
Why do you call Trans People mentally ill, giving us Republicans and Conservatives a bad image due to you bigoted Republican Minority being way louder than us non-bigoted republican majority?

[Illegal Planets]

Why is disagreeing with you hateful? I have continually said everyone deserves their own lifestyle choices. How is that distain?

JOHN. Answer this Question.
Why do you call Trans People mentally ill, giving us Republicans and Conservatives a bad image due to you bigoted Republican Minority being way louder than us non-bigoted republican majority?

I hate to break it to you, but you're guilty by association anyway. They hate conservatives.

[Indiana Controlled Florida]

JOHN. Answer this Question.
Why do you call Trans People mentally ill, giving us Republicans and Conservatives a bad image due to you bigoted Republican Minority being way louder than us non-bigoted republican majority?

I hate to break it to you, but you're guilty by association anyway. They hate conservatives.

If they do hate conservatives, than that is disappointing and sad. However, they might not. I will wait for their response to your statement to determine.

[JohnGaltia]

live and let live, to each their own, etc. What can be any less bigoted than individual rights? " Man has a right to live as a rational being: nature forbids him the irrational. Any group, any gang, any nation that attempts to negate man’s rights, is wrong, which means: is evil, which means: is anti-life."

A. As a Republican, I am disappointed in you. Let me ask you a question, Why do you call Trans People "Mentally Ill" giving a bad image to Republicans and Conservatives?

I am a laissez faire capitalist and a rational individualist. I don't care what that classifies me as politically and I don't care about the image that reflects upon Republicans any more than it reflects upon Democrats!

[Vassenor]

I hate to break it to you, but you're guilty by association anyway. They hate conservatives.

If they do hate conservatives, than that is disappointing and sad. However, they might not. I will wait for their response to your statement to determine.

Remember, it's disappointing that people hate you for wanting to take away their basic right to exist in society.

[The Black Forrest]

Clearly you didn't read UC's post very clearly.

*** Warned for baiting ***

The rules can be found here

I see this is not a place for diversity of opinion or facts contrary to entrenched orthodoxy. Disagreeing with my statements is not “baiting” (what a silly sheltering term) it’s called fear. Fear of a contrary thought.

*shrugs* If you want to talk 4chan style go to the 4chan site. Edge lords are boring. You were baiting and got red carded for it.

[Indiana Controlled Florida]

A. As a Republican, I am disappointed in you. Let me ask you a question, Why do you call Trans People "Mentally Ill" giving a bad image to Republicans and Conservatives?

I am a laissez faire capitalist and a rational individualist. I don't care what that classifies me as politically and I don't care about the image that reflects upon Republicans any more than it reflects upon Democrats!

Just don't try to sink the Republican Ship with your bigoted statements, please. Try to disassociate yourselves with us if you really don't care if the Republicans get a bad image because of your statements. Make your own raft, just don't sink the Republican Ship.