Trans Discussion Thread V: Catgirls Don't Need Litterboxes

[JohnGaltia]

Now this is something I can work with. Thank you. Yes it is simple and basic from a biological standpoint. There are exceptions (very rare genetic mutations) physically speaking. I stipulate all of that. If someone's mind is in opposition to their body...fine. I have said that many times. But they need treatment not enabling.

And what treatment are you proposing and what science is it backed up by?

Remember, we live in a system that practices evidence-based medicine.

LOL yes. It is amazing how quickly "evidence-based" medicine changes when the livelihood of the practitioners/developers are threatened. Just ask the ABCT.

[Necroghastia]

Ah yes, the bigot card. If my children are going to a public school, I as a parent have a right to ask what teachers are telling my kids. A classroom is not the appropriate place to get out all of that repressed "gender expression" to a captive audience of children. Frankly I find your vitriol towards me hilarious. Do you always react this way when the things you assert are challenged? You flipped from saying that such things never happened in schools to decrying me for trying to "prevent people from expressing themselves". Take five and get back to me when you are feeling less emotional.

what the hell do you think "gender expression" even is lmao

[Necroghastia]

Clearly you didn't read UC's post very clearly.

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I see this is not a place for diversity of opinion or facts contrary to entrenched orthodoxy. Disagreeing with my statements is not “baiting” (what a silly sheltering term) it’s called fear. Fear of a contrary thought.

"disagreeing with my statements" buddyguy you outright called trans people a bunch of perverts, no shit that's baiting at the least.

Really, the problem is that the basic biology that you're describing is a bit too basic. It's not necessarily wrong, but it oversimplifies by ignoring the many exceptions to the male-female binary.

Now this is something I can work with. Thank you. Yes it is simple and basic from a biological standpoint. There are exceptions (very rare genetic mutations) physically speaking. I stipulate all of that. If someone's mind is in opposition to their body...fine. I have said that many times. But they need treatment not enabling.

So what makes you think you know better what is good for someone's mental health than the current consensus of the medical field?

[Illegal Planets]

Ah yes, the bigot card. If my children are going to a public school, I as a parent have a right to ask what teachers are telling my kids. A classroom is not the appropriate place to get out all of that repressed "gender expression" to a captive audience of children. Frankly I find your vitriol towards me hilarious. Do you always react this way when the things you assert are challenged? You flipped from saying that such things never happened in schools to decrying me for trying to "prevent people from expressing themselves". Take five and get back to me when you are feeling less emotional.

what the hell do you think "gender expression" even is lmao

Idk, is it wearing comically massive fake breasts to class?

[Necroghastia]

what the hell do you think "gender expression" even is lmao

Idk, is it wearing comically massive fake breasts to class?

if you do not know what gender expression is, why do you see fit to comment on it at all, let alone to say that it should be banned?

"gender expression" is literally just an aspect of one's appearance.

[Bewaffnete Krafte]

what the hell do you think "gender expression" even is lmao

Idk, is it wearing comically massive fake breasts to class?

Teachers aren't telling kids about the intimate parts of gay relationships. They simply aren't. They are, in 99% of cases, treating it exactly like Heterosexuality.
And the fact is that kids wouldn't need to be taught about Homosexuality if it was accepted and people treated gay people expressing themselves (as an example, kissing) as equally as normal as straight people doing the same (kissing)
Gay people showing the world they are gay in any way is often taboo in many places. If we simply allowed gay people to do the same things straight people do, kids would learn about homosexuality the same way they learn about heterosexuality. AKA, not in the classroom. That way, we wouldn't need to worry about this kind of stuff.

[Illegal Planets]

Idk, is it wearing comically massive fake breasts to class?

if you do not know what gender expression is, why do you see fit to comment on it at all, let alone to say that it should be banned?

"gender expression" is literally just an aspect of one's appearance.

You didn't answer the question but also you did.

[Necroghastia]

if you do not know what gender expression is, why do you see fit to comment on it at all, let alone to say that it should be banned?

"gender expression" is literally just an aspect of one's appearance.

You didn't answer the question but also you did.

well, if i answered your question, why don't you answer mine?

[Bewaffnete Krafte]

if you do not know what gender expression is, why do you see fit to comment on it at all, let alone to say that it should be banned?

"gender expression" is literally just an aspect of one's appearance.

You didn't answer the question but also you did.

You see, you provided an example that will literally never happen and sounds so ridiculous that agreeing with it makes them look silly. Maybe if people like you would stop fucking doing that and would start looking at what actually happens in these cases our ideas would seem less silly
just an idea

[Illegal Planets]

You didn't answer the question but also you did.

You see, you provided an example that will literally never happen and sounds so ridiculous that agreeing with it makes them look silly. Maybe if people like you would stop fucking doing that and would start looking at what actually happens in these cases our ideas would seem less silly
just an idea

Yeah that would never happen.

[Vassenor]

You see, you provided an example that will literally never happen and sounds so ridiculous that agreeing with it makes them look silly. Maybe if people like you would stop fucking doing that and would start looking at what actually happens in these cases our ideas would seem less silly
just an idea

Yeah that would never happen.

Didn’t that turn out to be a psyop?

[Illegal Planets]

Yeah that would never happen.

Didn’t that turn out to be a psyop?

That's your rebuttal?

[Necroghastia]

Yea my opinion on this definitely wouldn't change if the teacher was cis. This is just plain inappropriate attire for a school setting. You're absolutely right that it would be no different from some male teacher coming in with a massive plastic bulge between his legs. That's an apt comparison, absolutely.

The real point is that this is not a real news story, and discussing it is a waste of time. What happened? A teacher nobody has ever heard of showed up to work dressed inappropriately. Who cares? School districts already have ways of dealing with misbehaving teachers. A teacher somewhere behaves inappropriately every day, but that seldom makes the news. When I was in middle school, the new art teacher got caught peeking up a girl's skirt. He went away, then came back, promising that he was reformed. Was he? I don't know, but I do know that story never made international news despite being a somewhat bigger deal than 'teacher wears absurd prosthetic boobs.'

The only story here is that the media has become addicted to trans people and runs stories on them whenever it can. Obviously right wing sources salivate over irrelevant nonsense like this because it gives them a chance to rant about trans people being awful or woke culture or whatever. But all the other sources also jump on the story because trans people drive clicks and generate buzz. There's no sense of proportion, no sense of dignity, no sense of journalism. Just greed at the cost of turning a minority group into an engagement pinata. Shit's wack.

[Hispida]

ok, question time. how many people here have started viewing games, shows, &c. through a trans lens now that you're out to yourself/others? because i'll be damned if i didn't notice that FF7, while not a trans allegory, has a lot of value being viewed through a trans lens and that my life as a teenage robot was totally a transgender allegory.

i was wondering why i liked jenny so much.

[Illegal Planets]

The real point is that this is not a real news story, and discussing it is a waste of time. What happened? A teacher nobody has ever heard of showed up to work dressed inappropriately. Who cares? School districts already have ways of dealing with misbehaving teachers. A teacher somewhere behaves inappropriately every day, but that seldom makes the news. When I was in middle school, the new art teacher got caught peeking up a girl's skirt. He went away, then came back, promising that he was reformed. Was he? I don't know, but I do know that story never made international news despite being a somewhat bigger deal than 'teacher wears absurd prosthetic boobs.'

The only story here is that the media has become addicted to trans people and runs stories on them whenever it can. Obviously right wing sources salivate over irrelevant nonsense like this because it gives them a chance to rant about trans people being awful or woke culture or whatever. But all the other sources also jump on the story because trans people drive clicks and generate buzz. There's no sense of proportion, no sense of dignity, no sense of journalism. Just greed at the cost of turning a minority group into an engagement pinata. Shit's wack.

Lacking the effort to use your own ideas to refute me, you used someone else's. I reject the notion that given the context of the influx of openly trans/non-binary teachers into school systems that this particular occurrence is a non-story. I also reject this user's personal anecdote.

You asked me if I knew what gender expression is. I gave you my answer.

You are all so focused on minimizing and excusing inappropriate behavior of teachers because they are playing for your team.

[Vassenor]

Didn’t that turn out to be a psyop?

That's your rebuttal?

Pointing out that your example was a conservative who deliberately did a thing to create something to argue against?

[Illegal Planets]

That's your rebuttal?

Pointing out that your example was a conservative who deliberately did a thing to create something to argue against?

I'd be happy to take a look at any sources you'd like to provide for that claim.

[Necroghastia]

Lacking the effort to use your own ideas to refute me, you used someone else's.

im putting in as much effort as your argument requires. probably more.

I reject the notion that given the context of the influx of openly trans/non-binary teachers into school systems that this particular occurrence is a non-story. I also reject this user's personal anecdote.

You are all so focused on minimizing and excusing inappropriate behavior of teachers because they are playing for your team.

inappropriate behavior of teachers? plural? alright. show me plural.

You asked me if I knew what gender expression is. I gave you my answer.

ya you said you didn't know lol

[Vassenor]

Pointing out that your example was a conservative who deliberately did a thing to create something to argue against?

I'd be happy to take a look at any sources you'd like to provide for that claim.

Meanwhile perhaps you should address your side's response to the situation.

[Indiana Controlled Florida]

I'd be happy to take a look at any sources you'd like to provide for that claim.

Meanwhile perhaps you should address your side's response to the situation.

I wouldn't say its their side's, more like, the crazy fanatical conservative side.
But also, I gotta say, that is kinda weird to wear that in a school.

[Illegal Planets]

ya you said you didn't know lol

Sarcasm/ the fact that you think gender expression is some high concept few are capable of understanding speaks volumes.

inappropriate behavior of teachers? plural? alright. show me plural.

Do I have to? Go figure it out for yourself. I made my point already and it still stands.

[Vassenor]

ya you said you didn't know lol

Sarcasm/ the fact that you think gender expression is some high concept few are capable of understanding speaks volumes.

inappropriate behavior of teachers? plural? alright. show me plural.

Do I have to? Go figure it out for yourself. I made my point already and it still stands.

"one person did a thing therefore I have the right to play morality police" is not a very strong point.

[Necroghastia]

ya you said you didn't know lol

Sarcasm/ the fact that you think gender expression is some high concept few are capable of understanding speaks volumes.

point to where i said anything remotely resembling that lmfao
it's a super simple concept that anti-trans people clutch pearls in bad faith over lmao

inappropriate behavior of teachers? plural? alright. show me plural.

Do I have to? Go figure it out for yourself. I made my point already and it still stands.

no you didn't. you claimed that there were multiple incidents of trans and nonbinary teachers acting innapropriately, yet only showed one (who is debated about whether it was a false flag or not, but i'll go ahead and give it to you since i can't be assed rn). you "point" does not stand at all and it is not my job to find your sources for you.

[Illegal Planets]

I'd be happy to take a look at any sources you'd like to provide for that claim.

Meanwhile perhaps you should address your side's response to the situation.

My side? If those nutcases are "my side" then you'd better go ahead and claim Dahmer.

[Vassenor]

Meanwhile perhaps you should address your side's response to the situation.

My side? If those nutcases are "my side" then you'd better go ahead and claim Dahmer.

What makes Dahmer on my side? Or are you now diving for the hyperbole rather than condemn bomb threats?