Trans Discussion Thread V: Catgirls Don't Need Litterboxes

[JohnGaltia]

ding ding ding. Finally someone is catching on. Although it's not for "shits and giggles". It's to illustrate how easily these arguments can be used in reverse because of the obviously subjective and currently popular "trans" movement.

...What's subjective about it, let alone "obviously" so?

You're right. What was I thinking!? Nothing subjective at all about a man saying he is a woman. It's clearly an objective fact. Just like when I say that I am a bird.

[JohnGaltia]

ding ding ding. Finally someone is catching on. Although it's not for "shits and giggles". It's to illustrate how easily these arguments can be used in reverse because of the obviously subjective and currently popular "trans" movement.

No, it's to be snarky and condescending by pretending to be clever.

Except you've fallen flat on your face and no one is really falling for it. You're just making a fool of yourself and presenting yourself as a dishonest and malicious figure.

You on the other hand had a very clever response. "I don't agree with you and you are a mean fool!" lol. I'll consider myself informed

[Ifreann]

...What's subjective about it, let alone "obviously" so?

You're right. What was I thinking!? Nothing subjective at all about a man saying he is a woman. It's clearly an objective fact. Just like when I say that I am a bird.

But what about the movement is subjective?

[JohnGaltia]

I will spell it out for the slower people here. Gender identity disorder is a mental disorder that needs to be treated just like any other mental illness. There need not be any more stigma attached to this disorder than any other mental disorder. It should be treated the same way as any mental illness up to and including anti psychotic medications and institutional care. Indulging in this gender delusion with them is harmful and dangerous. For example letting a man dress as a woman and pretending/patronizing them will only lead to depression and possibly suicide when the inevitable truth is finally acknowledged by the sufferer. Better that they should get help sooner than end themselves tragically later.

[Necroghastia]

I will spell it out for the slower people here. Gender identity disorder is a mental disorder that needs to be treated just like any other mental illness. There need not be any more stigma attached to this disorder than any other mental disorder. It should be treated the same way as any mental illness up to and including anti psychotic medications and institutional care. Indulging in this gender delusion with them is harmful and dangerous. For example letting a man dress as a woman and pretending/patronizing them will only lead to depression and possibly suicide when the inevitable truth is finally acknowledged by the sufferer. Better that they should get help sooner than end themselves tragically later.

"bEinG tRaNs iS a DeLuSiOn aNd hRt iS EnAbLiNg," says person who clearly does not know anything more than high school freshman biology from 10 years ago at most and has never once looked at research regarding the subject in good faith. News at 10.

[United Calanworie]

And like, drug addiction is a weird choice of comparison too. Clearly you're trying to say that we need to stop letting trans people be trans just like we should stop drug addicts from taking more drugs, but actually some drugs you need to keep taking once you're addicted or the withdrawal could kill you.

lol. Ok. It is very hard to have a discussion with a third grader. You forgot to mention that we need water to live but we can drown in it too! lol

I will spell it out for the slower people here. Gender identity disorder is a mental disorder that needs to be treated just like any other mental illness. There need not be any more stigma attached to this disorder than any other mental disorder. It should be treated the same way as any mental illness up to and including anti psychotic medications and institutional care. Indulging in this gender delusion with them is harmful and dangerous. For example letting a man dress as a woman and pretending/patronizing them will only lead to depression and possibly suicide when the inevitable truth is finally acknowledged by the sufferer. Better that they should get help sooner than end themselves tragically later.

Implying that the other party to a conversation is stupid isn't clever, like you might be thinking it is, but rather it is baiting, which is a violation of the rules. Don't do it.

[Ifreann]

I will spell it out for the slower people here. Gender identity disorder is a mental disorder that needs to be treated just like any other mental illness. There need not be any more stigma attached to this disorder than any other mental disorder. It should be treated the same way as any mental illness up to and including anti psychotic medications and institutional care. Indulging in this gender delusion with them is harmful and dangerous. For example letting a man dress as a woman and pretending/patronizing them will only lead to depression and possibly suicide when the inevitable truth is finally acknowledged by the sufferer. Better that they should get help sooner than end themselves tragically later.

Here's the problem with that, though. None of it's true. All available evidence is to the contrary.

[JohnGaltia]

lol. Ok. It is very hard to have a discussion with a third grader. You forgot to mention that we need water to live but we can drown in it too! lol

I will spell it out for the slower people here. Gender identity disorder is a mental disorder that needs to be treated just like any other mental illness. There need not be any more stigma attached to this disorder than any other mental disorder. It should be treated the same way as any mental illness up to and including anti psychotic medications and institutional care. Indulging in this gender delusion with them is harmful and dangerous. For example letting a man dress as a woman and pretending/patronizing them will only lead to depression and possibly suicide when the inevitable truth is finally acknowledged by the sufferer. Better that they should get help sooner than end themselves tragically later.

Implying that the other party to a conversation is stupid isn't clever, like you might be thinking it is, but rather it is baiting, which is a violation of the rules. Don't do it.[/quote

"this is only a discussion for those that agree with each other" lol

[Necroghastia]

Implying that the other party to a conversation is stupid isn't clever, like you might be thinking it is, but rather it is baiting, which is a violation of the rules. Don't do it.

"this is only a discussion for those that agree with each other" lol

It says more about yourself than anything or anyone else that you think you cannot express your thoughts on the matter without outright stating you think those who disagree with you have the mental faculties of a small child.

[JohnGaltia]

Men that believe they are woman and woman that believe they are men need help. I feel terrible for these people. Enabling them is dangerous. All efforts should be made to treat this psychosis so they can live a normal life. That is true compassion.

[Necroghastia]

Men that believe they are woman and woman that believe they are men need help. I feel terrible for these people. Enabling them is dangerous. All efforts should be made to treat this psychosis so they can live a normal life. That is true compassion.

You really should at least read some of the literature on the subject by actual psychologists and therapists, then, if you are truly so concerned.

also seriously where does this "dangerous" bs come from lol

[The Black Forrest]

Men that believe they are woman and woman that believe they are men need help. I feel terrible for these people. Enabling them is dangerous. All efforts should be made to treat this psychosis so they can live a normal life. That is true compassion.

No you don’t and it’s not a psychosis. They can live a normal life if they aren’t abused by your lot.

Oh and don’t suicide by mod. Especially; if this is a puppet account. They will go after your main one.

[JohnGaltia]

Men that believe they are woman and woman that believe they are men need help. I feel terrible for these people. Enabling them is dangerous. All efforts should be made to treat this psychosis so they can live a normal life. That is true compassion.

No you don’t and it’s not a psychosis. They can live a normal life if they aren’t abused by your lot.

Oh and don’t suicide by mod. Especially; if this is a puppet account. They will go after your main one.

I have said nothing abusive. I have nothing but compassion for these people. They need mental help. I'm all for more funding to help them live in and deal with reality. Money for anti-hallucination medication and to be institutionalized if necessary to keep them from hurting themselves.

[Necroghastia]

No you don’t and it’s not a psychosis. They can live a normal life if they aren’t abused by your lot.

Oh and don’t suicide by mod. Especially; if this is a puppet account. They will go after your main one.

I have said nothing abusive. I have nothing but compassion for these people. They need mental help. I'm all for more funding to help them live in and deal with reality. Money for anti-hallucination medication and to be institutionalized if necessary to keep them from hurting themselves.

buddyguy you have done nothing but prove you know nothing about trans people and advocated for nothing but stuff that would hurt trans people

trans people do not, by virtue of being trans, suffer hallucinations or harm themselves or others. it has been the established best practice that transition is the appropriate treatment for trans people, and conversion therapy is total and complete bunk. the rate of depression and self-harm amongst trans people is the fault of people like yourself, who cannot or will not accept people for who they are, and gaslight them into thinking they do care at best, if not going full throttle into mental, physical, and sexual abuse. actually go and read about trans peoples' lives and experiences from the horse's mouth, not your smarmy, self-righteous assumptions.

[Suriyanakhon]

Nothing screams caring for someone like saying you want them to be forcibly institutionalized.

[Kalivyah]

We as humanity have evolved beyond this idea of sex being tied to gender. We are the most advanced and intelligent organism on this planet, capable of ending the world, exploring new ones and creating ones using simulations. Why should I, or rather society, stick to the belief that there are only two genders, or that gender is purely tied to sex, or that people cannot feel uncomfortable with their biological sex and wish to be another? Biology already agrees with the ideas and benefits of transitioning for those with gender dysphoria, so what else is there to use as a "gotcha" against trans people?

We shall be capable of not only launching ourselves, but walking on the surface of mars in the next decade to come... but we should limit our identities as well? What a foolish ideal. The human mind is capable of more than just "male and female". It is only your selfish ignorance and refusal to accept that humanity has changed and is capable of greater things that prevents you from accepting that gender identity is but a mere social construct, and not a reality.

[Mountains and Volcanoes]

Nothing screams caring for someone like saying you want them to be forcibly institutionalized.

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[Sordhau]

Clearly this random internet stranger knows more about mental illness than the millions of psychiatrists in the world who've mostly all come to the conclusion that being trans is not, in fact, a mental disorder.

Obviously we're all just too stupid to understand how superior his mental faculties are to ours.

[Grenartia]

We know who you are, and we are not amused. Take the *** warning for spam *** as a hint to read, review, and reflect on the Rules.

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Game Moderator.

A verbal warning would have been better for a clearly intended joke

"Clearly intended". Not really. Maybe you thought it was clearly intended, but you need to learn that due to a lack of audio-visual cues, sarcasm often fails over text-based media.

Who decided that gender is a spectrum and you can be any gender you want and there are more than two genders?

People for whom that a reality, and the people who realized you can't dictate what someone else's subjective experiences are.

Because I don't understand that if gender doesn't equal sex then what does it equal(don't say what they identify as Because who that doesn't answer my first question).

"I don't understand that if 2+2 doesn't equal 5, then what does it equal (don't say 4, because that doesn't answer my question about why math decided it equals 4)?"

Julia Serrano discusses why certain people insist on blaming the existence of trans people on "social contagion" and "grooming".

actually that is kinda true

No, it is not.

as young impressionable kids are taught about 'you can be any gender you want' and 'always support the LGBT'

That is not grooming, nor is it a "social contagion".

and 'check your privilege'

Nobody is taught that except maybe in sociology classes. And no, little timmy isn't being taught sociology. And even then, "examine your own privilege" is only really taught as a bias-avoiding exercise. You know, good academic practice.

yet teachers aren't allowed to express political views because they are worried that they would get in the way of the propaganda from the status quo

You mean like the Don't Say Gay law in Florida (though queer people's existence is only political because anti-LGBT people made it political)? Or being unable to say racism exists because of laws against "Critical Race Theory", so they can't even teach actual history?

and the left

Nobody is being taught actual leftism at any level of education in the US, unless they decide to teach themselves.

and (personal experience) as soon as I questioned feminism and LGBT I was shunned down and told to stop talking which is just stupid because what's wring with asking questions, that is tyranny and bigotry by shunning any ideas that aren't your own.

That's neither tyranny nor bigotry. What you're actually describing is people exercising their 1st Amendment right to free association to decide not to associate with you because you were spouting inane bullshit.

Everyone with decent knowledge of social cues understands JAQing off (i.e., "I was "Just Asking Questions"") to be a form of trolling. There's a difference between genuine inquiry and "why is feminism good if I can't tell the nearest woman to make me a sandwich?". And that difference is that answering bad-faith questions is not genuine inquiry.

Social liberals are part if the left

Only if you're so far to the right that you can't tell the difference between Obama and Kropotkin.

and also that is a complete lie to say that that doesn't exist in the school system when I am still in school and experience this first hand.

If that's true, then tell me who your teacher says should own the means of production.

Also feminism nowadays is just saying that girls playing with dolls is misogynistic again actual personal experience.

Either you're lying and intentionally misrepresenting what someone told you about feminism, or they were poorly informed about feminism, or they were lying and intentionally misrepresenting it to you.

Also how is feminism fighting against. Also to say that kids aren't being taught this is a complete lie because I have personally experienced this.

If that were true, you'd be doing a better job of complaining about it.

Also how is feminism fighting against tyranny when modern feminism is saying that people who are accused of rape should be ruined and deplatformed and stripped of all their money and job basically life ruined,

I'd actually blame that on the influences of the carceral state, an unquestioned drive for vengeance over rehabilitation (a fundamentally conservative and reactionary position), as well as our current """justice""" system's intentionally incompetent and inadequate handling of actual rape cases. I suspect going into the details about that would go beyond your current willingness to understand the nuances of this subject. In addition to being a threadjack.

also lying that women get paid less then men for the same job

It is actually true.

and also the evidence they point to is overall pay and not at all for the same job because 93% of workplace deaths re men which show that men work more dangerous higher paying jobs.

That doesn't really prove anything other than the patriarchy views women as too delicate (and useful as baby factoties) to do certain jobs. And also said disparity has been accounted for. There's still a pay difference. Furthermore, a greater push for safety (and automation where possible) at said jobs needs to be made.

Also if they are fighting for gender equality then why are they ruining men's mental health by being so picky with this you go girl attitude and make men extremely lonely,

Nobody is entitled to have a sexual partner. Incel rhetoric is so fucking cringe. Also, as a former incel, trust me, if you're having dating problems, that's a you issue, not a "women are picky bitches" issue. Free romantic advice that has actually worked for me: Don't be shallow, be worth dating, and stop being picky yourself, and you'll find someone you genuinely care about and who genuinely cares about you.

then say that they are helping them by letting them express their emotions by calling their nature toxic,

"Toxic masculinity" does not mean "all masculinity is toxic", it specifically refers to the subset of masculinity that is toxic.

and then get annoyed and surprised when a man objectifies them or sexaully assaults them

Those things are actual problems, and are not blameable on feminism, because they predate feminism, and are some of the very things feminism was created to fight against.

and acts like she is fighting violence against women. Also why do liberals think they are fighting a status quo when the status quo is blank slate equality but that will never be achieved.

Have you considered that it can be achieved, and that it has not yet been achieved?

Then they have the cheat to call this 'progress in the right direction'. Also about what I said that upset people was that getting angry at Muslim nations for banning gay people is racist as the quran has never changed ever since its creation and it says gay marriage is a sin so why should they be expected to change that to fit the modern status quo of liberal, western nations.

No, what's racist is setting different standards for human rights for people of different ethnicities. And what's even more cringe is using religion as an excuse for it.

You take too many steps in the 'right direction' you fall off a cliff

Says man with both his feet halfway over the ledge.

"Equality is the price we pay for civilization"-George Orwell

Have you ever even read George Orwell?

You got it wrong. It was invented during the PLANdemic by the BLM movement under the payroll of the Democrats!

No, it was invented by Big Bathroom to sell more bathrooms. Duh.

What do you mean by moral education? Stopping teachers from expressing their beliefs

"How dare teachers not be allowed to bully kids and hide behind their religion and ideology to shield them from the consequences!?"

That's literally what you sound like right now.

and then shoving beliefs down kids throats, that is propaganda and brainwashing.

Teaching kids to be true to who they are, and not to be shitheads to other kids being true to who they are, is neither propaganda nor brainwashing, and by claiming otherwise, you are watering down the meaning of those terms into homeopathic levels.

Also when kids are taught from too young an age about transgenderism and homosexuality it can caused them to become confused. Also yes this does happen because I thought I was bisexual for 6 weeks but looking back I wasn't in love with a man I was in love with love(now I'm heterosexual).

No, it does not. Sounds to me like you were questioning (an entirely healthy thing to do, because self-exploration can never be a bad thing, and it is objectively not confusion). Tell me, what do your parents think about LGBT+ people?

[Grenartia]

No you don’t and it’s not a psychosis. They can live a normal life if they aren’t abused by your lot.

Oh and don’t suicide by mod. Especially; if this is a puppet account. They will go after your main one.

I have said nothing abusive. I have nothing but compassion for these people. They need mental help. I'm all for more funding to help them live in and deal with reality. Money for anti-hallucination medication and to be institutionalized if necessary to keep them from hurting themselves.

Ah, yes, the famously anarcho-capitalist positions of: not letting people do what they want when it only affects themselves, and of using tax money to do anything.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Nobody is taught that except maybe in sociology classes. And no, little timmy isn't being taught sociology. And even then, "examine your own privilege" is only really taught as a bias-avoiding exercise. You know, good academic practice.

tbqfh people like vlad p (and people who cheer on his policies, including his "answers to blinkens") should damn well check his fucking privilege.

[TheKeyToJoy]

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[TheKeyToJoy]

Men that believe they are woman and woman that believe they are men need help. I feel terrible for these people. Enabling them is dangerous. All efforts should be made to treat this psychosis so they can live a normal life. That is true compassion.

Guys this is just a DOS I know it.

[Mountains and Volcanoes]

I will spell it out for the slower people here. Gender identity disorder is a mental disorder that needs to be treated just like any other mental illness. There need not be any more stigma attached to this disorder than any other mental disorder. It should be treated the same way as any mental illness up to and including anti psychotic medications and institutional care. Indulging in this gender delusion with them is harmful and dangerous. For example letting a man dress as a woman and pretending/patronizing them will only lead to depression and possibly suicide when the inevitable truth is finally acknowledged by the sufferer. Better that they should get help sooner than end themselves tragically later.

Nice appeal to consequences...

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

Enabling them is dangerous.

care to elaborate?