Trans Discussion Thread V: Catgirls Don't Need Litterboxes

[Necroghastia]

you also get taught as a kid not to hit people and to share your toys or whatever, no one finds those controversial. Clearly the concept in of itself of moral education in schools isn't controversial.

What do you mean by moral education? Stopping teachers from expressing their beliefs and then shoving beliefs down kids throats, that is propaganda and brainwashing.

some beliefs are good, and some are bad. this is not a controversial take. you wouldn't want a klansman teaching history to impressionable kids, would you?

Also when kids are taught from too young an age about transgenderism and homosexuality it can caused them to become confused.

"too young an age" lol. lmao. do you think kids raised by gay/trans people are significantly more "confused" than kids raised by cishet people?

Also yes this does happen because I thought I was bisexual for 6 weeks but looking back I wasn't in love with a man I was in love with love(now I'm heterosexual).

that doesn't sound like you were confused, that sounds like you were exploring your identity and decided it wasn't for you. nothing wrong with that. i'd say it's healthy, even.

[Bewaffnete Krafte]

you also get taught as a kid not to hit people and to share your toys or whatever, no one finds those controversial. Clearly the concept in of itself of moral education in schools isn't controversial.

What do you mean by moral education? Stopping teachers from expressing their beliefs and then shoving beliefs down kids throats, that is propaganda and brainwashing. Also when kids are taught from too young an age about transgenderism and homosexuality it can caused them to become confused. Also yes this does happen because I thought I was bisexual for 6 weeks but looking back I wasn't in love with a man I was in love with love(now I'm heterosexual).

Teaching kids about LGBT people isn't making them confused. It's teaching them. That's a school's point.
Kids (and infants) learn about heterosexuality from their parents and the world around them. That's not making them confused. Why would them learning about homosexuality confuse them? Or do you think kids can't handle 2 different things existing until they are older?

[JohnGaltia]

Gender identify disorder is a mental illness just like any other mental illness and those afflicted should not be stigmatized. As a society we should be helping/encouraging them to seek treatment. Indulging in their only delusions prolongs recovery and harms them further (similar to enabling a drug addict).

[Sordhau]

Gender identify disorder is a mental illness just like any other mental illness and those afflicted should not be stigmatized. As a society we should be helping/encouraging them to seek treatment. Indulging in their dilutions only prolongs recovery and harms them further (similar to enabling a drug addict).

Transitioning *is* the treatment, my dude.

Please pay attention.

[Auzkhia]

Gender identify disorder is a mental illness just like any other mental illness and those afflicted should not be stigmatized. As a society we should be helping/encouraging them to seek treatment. Indulging in their dilutions only prolongs recovery and harms them further (similar to enabling a drug addict).

You first, because if anyone needs therapy here it's you.

I haven't done any dilutions since high school chemistry class lol.

Gender identify disorder is a mental illness just like any other mental illness and those afflicted should not be stigmatized. As a society we should be helping/encouraging them to seek treatment. Indulging in their dilutions only prolongs recovery and harms them further (similar to enabling a drug addict).

Transitioning *is* the treatment, my dude.

Please pay attention.

No that's not it, clearly psychological torture and abuse I mean "conversion therapy" is the answer even though it has no serious scientific or medical backing

/s

[JohnGaltia]

Gender identify disorder is a mental illness just like any other mental illness and those afflicted should not be stigmatized. As a society we should be helping/encouraging them to seek treatment. Indulging in their dilutions only prolongs recovery and harms them further (similar to enabling a drug addict).

Transitioning *is* the treatment, my dude.

Please pay attention.

More food is not a treatment for bulimia.

[Ifreann]

Transitioning *is* the treatment, my dude.

Please pay attention.

More food is not a treatment for bulimia.

People suffering from bulimia definitely do need to continue eating. Weird medical fact, people die if they go too long without eating.

[Loeje]

Gender identify disorder is a mental illness just like any other mental illness and those afflicted should not be stigmatized. As a society we should be helping/encouraging them to seek treatment. Indulging in their dilutions only prolongs recovery and harms them further (similar to enabling a drug addict).

Dilutions made me smile a little. I assume that's an autocorrect mistake, mine does that kind of thing all the time too.

"Gender identity disorder" no longer exists in the DSM. That is to say, being trans isn't a mental illness. It's just a fairly rare way of being normal. The treatment for distress that might be caused by being trans is transitioning from one gender to another, which is one of the cool things that medicine can do now.

[Ifreann]

And like, drug addiction is a weird choice of comparison too. Clearly you're trying to say that we need to stop letting trans people be trans just like we should stop drug addicts from taking more drugs, but actually some drugs you need to keep taking once you're addicted or the withdrawal could kill you.

[JohnGaltia]

More food is not a treatment for bulimia.

People suffering from bulimia definitely do need to continue eating. Weird medical fact, people die if they go too long without eating.

I hope you understand that you will not be cured from bulimia by eating more food. But your response is exactly what I would expect.

[Ifreann]

People suffering from bulimia definitely do need to continue eating. Weird medical fact, people die if they go too long without eating.

I hope you understand that you will not be cured from bulimia by eating more food. But you your response is exactly what I would expect.

I hope you understand that if you deny a bulimic person food then they will starve. You're really failing at making the point you're trying to make.

[JohnGaltia]

And like, drug addiction is a weird choice of comparison too. Clearly you're trying to say that we need to stop letting trans people be trans just like we should stop drug addicts from taking more drugs, but actually some drugs you need to keep taking once you're addicted or the withdrawal could kill you.

lol. Ok. It is very hard to have a discussion with a third grader. You forgot to mention that we need water to live but we can drown in it too! lol

[The Black Forrest]

Gender identify disorder is a mental illness just like any other mental illness and those afflicted should not be stigmatized. As a society we should be helping/encouraging them to seek treatment. Indulging in their only delusions prolongs recovery and harms them further (similar to enabling a drug addict).

Cool. Don’t stigmatize them and yet stigmatizing them in the same statement.

Gender Dysphoria doesn’t harm the people. The people abusing them, shunning them, etc. harm them.

How are you hurt by the existence of trans people or people with labels?

[JohnGaltia]

I hope you understand that you will not be cured from bulimia by eating more food. But you your response is exactly what I would expect.

I hope you understand that if you deny a bulimic person food then they will starve. You're really failing at making the point you're trying to make.

No. The point is more food is NOT THE CURE! I can't believe you made me spell it out. Wow

[Necroghastia]

"bEinG tRaNs iS a DeLuSiOn aNd hRt iS EnAbLiNg," says person who clearly does not know anything more than high school freshman biology from 10 years ago at most and has never once looked at research regarding the subject in good faith. News at 10.

[Sordhau]

Transitioning *is* the treatment, my dude.

Please pay attention.

More food is not a treatment for bulimia.

Gender dysphoria is not comparable to bulimia. Finding the gender expression that is right for you and makes you comfortable is the only treatment for gender dysphoria; conversion therapy does not work and the alternative is the suppression of one's gender identity which leads to depression, suicide, and violent tendencies. Neither of these are treatments.

[JohnGaltia]

Gender identify disorder is a mental illness just like any other mental illness and those afflicted should not be stigmatized. As a society we should be helping/encouraging them to seek treatment. Indulging in their only delusions prolongs recovery and harms them further (similar to enabling a drug addict).

Cool. Don’t stigmatize them and yet stigmatizing them in the same statement.

Gender Dysphoria doesn’t harm the people. The people abusing them, shunning them, etc. harm them.

How are you hurt by the existence of trans people or people with labels?

I'm not hurt...they are. They are denied treatment to help them be comfortable with their bodies and live a normal life. Pretending everything is ok is not the answer. Too many suicides are caused by that attitude.

[Necroghastia]

Cool. Don’t stigmatize them and yet stigmatizing them in the same statement.

Gender Dysphoria doesn’t harm the people. The people abusing them, shunning them, etc. harm them.

How are you hurt by the existence of trans people or people with labels?

I'm not hurt...they are. They are denied treatment to help them be comfortable with their bodies and live a normal life.

Transitioning is that treatment to help them be comfortable in their bodies.

Pretending everything is ok is not the answer. To many suicides are caused by that attitude.

Correct. Trans people being denied the right to be comfortable in their own skin and having to force themselves in the closet does nothing but sow misery.

[Sordhau]

Cool. Don’t stigmatize them and yet stigmatizing them in the same statement.

Gender Dysphoria doesn’t harm the people. The people abusing them, shunning them, etc. harm them.

How are you hurt by the existence of trans people or people with labels?

I'm not hurt...they are. They are denied treatment to help them be comfortable with their bodies and live a normal life. Pretending everything is ok is not the answer. Too many suicides are caused by that attitude.

The ironic part here is that you're arguing against trans rights by using an argument that is actually pro-trans rights.

Perhaps you should try finding better terminology? Unless you're deliberately trying to obfuscate what you actually want for shits and giggles?

[The Black Forrest]

Cool. Don’t stigmatize them and yet stigmatizing them in the same statement.

Gender Dysphoria doesn’t harm the people. The people abusing them, shunning them, etc. harm them.

How are you hurt by the existence of trans people or people with labels?

I'm not hurt...they are. They are denied treatment to help them be comfortable with their bodies and live a normal life. Pretending everything is ok is not the answer. Too many suicides are caused by that attitude.

Well? Maybe if you stopped stigmatizing them and abusing them they can live a healthy life.

I don’t have the stats for the reasons for suicides; I suspect it’s more from your lots “concern” about them.

Labels don’t hurt them. It’s just motor memory. The ones in particular for me are they/them. I have to do a “double take” when it used in a discussion about one person and talking about a couple people. Other then that? Nothing wrong with it.

I know a couple trans people. I have run into them. The last one I wasn’t sure if they were. Mrs. Bumi said she was trans.

Sorry lad. You feeling icky about them isn’t a statement of mental problems for these people.

[Ifreann]

I hope you understand that if you deny a bulimic person food then they will starve. You're really failing at making the point you're trying to make.

No. The point is more food is NOT THE CURE! I can't believe you made me spell it out. Wow

So what you are saying is that transitioning will not cure transgender people of being transgender, but they do need to do it or they will die. And very clearly this is not what you mean. Very clearly you don't want people to be allowed to transition at all. Yet here you are, making inept comparisons to addiction and mental illness that do not suit the argument you are trying to make.

I suspect the problem, beyond you just not thinking this through all the way, is that there is no medical or psychological condition that is treated in the way that you seem to want transgender people to be treated. There is nothing you can point to and say "Being trans is like that!" and have that give you an excuse to misgender and deadname people.

[JohnGaltia]

I'm not hurt...they are. They are denied treatment to help them be comfortable with their bodies and live a normal life. Pretending everything is ok is not the answer. Too many suicides are caused by that attitude.

The ironic part here is that you're arguing against trans rights by using an argument that is actually pro-trans rights.

Perhaps you should try finding better terminology? Unless you're deliberately trying to obfuscate what you actually want for shits and giggles?

ding ding ding. Finally someone is catching on. Although it's not for "shits and giggles". It's to illustrate how easily these arguments can be used in reverse because of the obviously subjective and currently popular "trans" movement.

[Ifreann]

The ironic part here is that you're arguing against trans rights by using an argument that is actually pro-trans rights.

Perhaps you should try finding better terminology? Unless you're deliberately trying to obfuscate what you actually want for shits and giggles?

ding ding ding. Finally someone is catching on. Although it's not for "shits and giggles". It's to illustrate how easily these arguments can be used in reverse because of the obviously subjective and currently popular "trans" movement.

But you aren't using them easily, you've made a complete mess of it.

[Sordhau]

The ironic part here is that you're arguing against trans rights by using an argument that is actually pro-trans rights.

Perhaps you should try finding better terminology? Unless you're deliberately trying to obfuscate what you actually want for shits and giggles?

ding ding ding. Finally someone is catching on. Although it's not for "shits and giggles". It's to illustrate how easily these arguments can be used in reverse because of the obviously subjective and currently popular "trans" movement.

No, it's to be snarky and condescending by pretending to be clever.

Except you've fallen flat on your face and no one is really falling for it. You're just making a fool of yourself and presenting yourself as a dishonest and malicious figure.

[Necroghastia]

The ironic part here is that you're arguing against trans rights by using an argument that is actually pro-trans rights.

Perhaps you should try finding better terminology? Unless you're deliberately trying to obfuscate what you actually want for shits and giggles?

ding ding ding. Finally someone is catching on. Although it's not for "shits and giggles". It's to illustrate how easily these arguments can be used in reverse because of the obviously subjective and currently popular "trans" movement.

...What's subjective about it, let alone "obviously" so?