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Postby Tulunids » Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:59 pm

Izandai wrote:I'm just surprised everyone brushed past the "Being queer is a religion" thing. I woulda thought that's exactly the kind of bullshit people love to tear into.

Thats gotta be the most outlandish thing ive ever heard.

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Postby Space Squid » Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:59 pm

It's strange how a certain subset of people who promote religion insist that unrelated beliefs are religious too. As though it were a shameful secret.
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Postby Moroniland » Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:00 pm

Necroghastia wrote:So, they're religious because you say they are?

No, you have to look at where calendars and holidays come from historically. They're religious. The Pope made the calendar. He declared the feast days and fast days that came from the older pagan religions and eventually became our modern holidays.

You are the one claiming there to be a religion here. The onus to define is yours.

Very well. I think being a religion is a matter of how a thing is treated. Anything can be a religion if it is treated like one. And the way a religious thing is treated that makes it religious is by employing the distinction between the sacred and the profane. Religious things, being sacred, are deeply connected to people's core values and identity. Having anything sacred entails regarding the mistreatment of it as profane. Also, a religion will form a community of people. If it doesn't form a community then it may be spiritual but it isn't a religion, as the word religion means "binding together"
This seems a reasonable definition of religion. It gets in all the major world religions, including those varieties of Bhuddism which are non-theistic.
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Postby Space Squid » Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:02 pm

Necroghastia wrote:Leaving aside how your questions here ask different things than your original claim, your thing about how the only way someone can be upset is if their religion is attacked, which, frankly, is fuckin' wild man.

"My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. But you didn't insult my religion, so I guess we have no issue."
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Postby Moroniland » Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:05 pm

Necroghastia wrote:Leaving aside how your questions here ask different things than your original claim, your thing about how the only way someone can be upset is if their religion is attacked, which, frankly, is fuckin' wild man.

No: the specific way that you get upset about this specifically is the exact pearl-clutching moral panic of the Bible Belt Evangelical except in drag.
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Postby Tulunids » Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:05 pm

Moroniland wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:So, they're religious because you say they are?

No, you have to look at where calendars and holidays come from historically. They're religious. The Pope made the calendar. He declared the feast days and fast days that came from the older pagan religions and eventually became our modern holidays.

You are the one claiming there to be a religion here. The onus to define is yours.

Very well. I think being a religion is a matter of how a thing is treated. Anything can be a religion if it is treated like one. And the way a religious thing is treated that makes it religious is by employing the distinction between the sacred and the profane. Religious things, being sacred, are deeply connected to people's core values and identity. Having anything sacred entails regarding the mistreatment of it as profane. Also, a religion will form a community of people. If it doesn't form a community then it may be spiritual but it isn't a religion, as the word religion means "binding together"
This seems a reasonable definition of religion. It gets in all the major world religions, including those varieties of Bhuddism which are non-theistic.

Are you trying to say that LGBTQ is an idol of some sort? :eyebrow:
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Postby Neu California » Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:09 pm

Moroniland wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Leaving aside how your questions here ask different things than your original claim, your thing about how the only way someone can be upset is if their religion is attacked, which, frankly, is fuckin' wild man.

No: the specific way that you get upset about this specifically is the exact pearl-clutching moral panic of the Bible Belt Evangelical except in drag.

Are you saying you're a mind reader? Because that's the only way you could be sure that that's the specific way they're getting upset.
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Postby Izandai » Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:11 pm

Moroniland wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:So, they're religious because you say they are?

No, you have to look at where calendars and holidays come from historically. They're religious. The Pope made the calendar. He declared the feast days and fast days that came from the older pagan religions and eventually became our modern holidays.

And exactly what the hell does this have to do with stuff like Black History Month?
You are the one claiming there to be a religion here. The onus to define is yours.

Very well. I think being a religion is a matter of how a thing is treated. Anything can be a religion if it is treated like one. And the way a religious thing is treated that makes it religious is by employing the distinction between the sacred and the profane. Religious things, being sacred, are deeply connected to people's core values and identity. Having anything sacred entails regarding the mistreatment of it as profane. Also, a religion will form a community of people. If it doesn't form a community then it may be spiritual but it isn't a religion, as the word religion means "binding together"
This seems a reasonable definition of religion. It gets in all the major world religions, including those varieties of Bhuddism which are non-theistic.

So literally anything that people have strong opinions about can be a religion? That feels vaguely insulting to actual religions.
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:13 pm

Moroniland wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:So, they're religious because you say they are?

No, you have to look at where calendars and holidays come from historically. They're religious. The Pope made the calendar. He declared the feast days and fast days that came from the older pagan religions and eventually became our modern holidays.

Is Memorial Day religious? MLKJ Day? Black History Month?
You are the one claiming there to be a religion here. The onus to define is yours.

Very well. I think being a religion is a matter of how a thing is treated. Anything can be a religion if it is treated like one. And the way a religious thing is treated that makes it religious is by employing the distinction between the sacred and the profane. Religious things, being sacred, are deeply connected to people's core values and identity. Having anything sacred entails regarding the mistreatment of it as profane. Also, a religion will form a community of people. If it doesn't form a community then it may be spiritual but it isn't a religion, as the word religion means "binding together"
This seems a reasonable definition of religion. It gets in all the major world religions, including those varieties of Bhuddism which are non-theistic.

It gets in all sorts of other things as well. Is being black a religion? What about a tradesman? Science?
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Postby Tulunids » Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:15 pm

Izandai wrote:So literally anything that people have strong opinions about can be a religion? That feels vaguely insulting to actual religions.


An idol can be turned into a religion. Not saying that most idols logically would be able to gain a large enough following but its still possible.

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Postby Moroniland » Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:18 pm

Mutualist Chaos wrote:This marks the difference between religious belief and the litany of terrible things you're trying to sequester yourself from. Let's take marriage. In a traditionally religious community, the union of a man and a woman is a joy to be shared with the entire population.

I don't know whether or not that's universal to traditionally religious communities.
I know Christians and Jewish marriage works that way.

Mutualist Chaos wrote:In a secular community, the union of any two consenting adults is the same.

Don't think so.

Mutualist Chaos wrote:But what you're saying is that the fact that it's no longer just a man and a woman is something to be kept as private as one's personal prayers.

I'm not saying I support the pact: just that you don't support it.

Mutualist Chaos wrote:That won't fly. Pretending that "traditional" values haven't been front and center in every HR department in the land is asinine.

Really?

How many HR departments in major American corporations have some kind of "Diversity & Inclusion" officer? And don't quibble over the name: we all know what kind of position I'm referring to. They all have something along those lines.

Now, how many HR departments in major American corporations have some kind of "Faith & Family" officer? None. Not a single one.

You aren't plucky underdogs taking on The Man anymore. You're on the other side of the desk now.

Mutualist Chaos wrote:Your problem is that you're so used to seeing your own values as the default, and as the "neutral" baseline, that you don't notice that they are in everyone else's face all the time; so when anyone says "actually, I have just as much right to be myself in this public space" you see it as this newfangled assault.

Right back at ya.

Mutualist Chaos wrote:The fact that people with different ones are now allowed to express them in public without being prosecuted for buggery or whatever may strike you as some sort of attack, but really it isn't.

I'm not even talking about the public indecency or whatever. I'm talking about the ideology of corporate America.

Mutualist Chaos wrote:All that's happening is that you're being asked to adjust your behavior a bit

But how?

My original question still hasn't gotten a real answer. If I know someone who's a man and they transition into being a woman, should I treat them differently after their transition than I treated them before? And if so, doesn't that mean I should treat women differently from men? It just doesn't make sense. You can be pro-trans or you can be gender-egalitarian but you can't be both!

If the "Unconscious Bias" indoctrination of corporate HR actually covered that then I might genuinely and sincerely be interested in going to it voluntarily, just to find out what the hell any of this actually even is.
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Postby Izandai » Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:21 pm

Tulunids wrote:
Izandai wrote:So literally anything that people have strong opinions about can be a religion? That feels vaguely insulting to actual religions.


An idol can be turned into a religion. Not saying that most idols logically would be able to gain a large enough following but its still possible.

Theoretically, I guess, but in practice it's really hard to start a new religion these days.

I mean, I guess that's been really hard for all of human history. New religions haven't actually popped up all that frequently.
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Although for some reason they always act insulted when I try to pay them to communicate how much I value sex.

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Postby Moroniland » Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:28 pm

Necroghastia wrote:Is Memorial Day religious? MLKJ Day? Black History Month?


Yes, totally yes, that is absolutely what I am saying.

It gets in all sorts of other things as well.

That would be a problem for this definition if those things weren't religions.

Is being black a religion?

It definitely is for some people. Have you noticed the recent trend of capitalizing the "B" whenever mentioning Black people? Just like the English language does for God. It definitely is a religion and George Floyd has been made one of its most revered saints. Have you seen the icons of him? How could you see those and not conclude that they are religious!?

Black people certainly aren't alone in theologizing their own race: I mean we all know the Nazis did it too.

What about a tradesman?
I am not sure what you mean by this. Do you just mean work? Some people do turn their work into an idol. It's been known to happen. There even used to be actual hymns for corporations!

Science?
There are actual 501c3s for this.
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Postby Antibox » Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:28 pm

Moroniland wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Leaving aside how your questions here ask different things than your original claim, your thing about how the only way someone can be upset is if their religion is attacked, which, frankly, is fuckin' wild man.

No: the specific way that you get upset about this specifically is the exact pearl-clutching moral panic of the Bible Belt Evangelical except in drag.

That generally happens when people's views ,opinions, and traditions cross the line to becoming dogma. At the end of the day that's all a religion really is, dogma.
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:35 pm

Moroniland wrote:
My original question still hasn't gotten a real answer. If I know someone who's a man and they transition into being a woman, should I treat them differently after their transition than I treated them before? And if so, doesn't that mean I should treat women differently from men? It just doesn't make sense. You can be pro-trans or you can be gender-egalitarian but you can't be both!

You earlier refused to answer in what ways you treat women differently from men. Without this, it is hard if not impossible to provide an answer, because the question as posed is (almost literally) painfully vague about what "treating" someone means.

The simplest answer is: it's situational. You wouldn't treat a woman any different from a man in the process of, say, a normal discussion (at least, I hope you wouldn't). You would obviously, though, use different pronouns for example.
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Postby Moroniland » Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:36 pm

Izandai wrote:Theoretically, I guess, but in practice it's really hard to start a new religion these days.

I mean, I guess that's been really hard for all of human history. New religions haven't actually popped up all that frequently.

OK so .... my life experiences in the Latter Day Saint community may have biased me on this since my own community has had new small religious groups popping up every few years for my whole life. It is a community which is far more inclined towards doing that than most. But I really think that starting a new religion isn't really that hard of a thing to have happen. What's hard is making the journey from local "cult" status to major world religion status. Local "cults" around the world are created and destroyed every day. Major world religions are what's hard to create.
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Postby Izandai » Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:40 pm

Moroniland wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Is Memorial Day religious? MLKJ Day? Black History Month?

Yes, totally yes, that is absolutely what I am saying.

Cool. You're wrong.
It gets in all sorts of other things as well.

That would be a problem for this definition if those things weren't religions.

Nice tautological reasoning.
Is being black a religion?

It definitely is for some people. Have you noticed the recent trend of capitalizing the "B" whenever mentioning Black people? Just like the English language does for God.

By the attestation of that very article, more like how people capitalize Spanish. Is being Spanish a religion?
It definitely is a religion and George Floyd has been made one of its most revered saints. Have you seen the icons of him? How could you see those and not conclude that they are religious!?

Just because some of the art made about George Floyd resembles religious art doesn't mean it's religious art. I'm sure in many cases the parallels were intentional, to cast him as a martyr, but that doesn't mean people see him as an actual religious figure.
Black people certainly aren't alone in theologizing their own race: I mean we all know the Nazis did it too.

Nazi rhetoric definitely had more than a little religious inflection woven through it, but you're still wrong. Being black isn't a religion.
What about a tradesman?

I am not sure what you mean by this. Do you just mean work? Some people do turn their work into an idol. It's been known to happen. There even used to be actual hymns for corporations!

You do know that The Bunny Song is entirely fictional, right?
Science?

There are actual 501c3s for this.

Who's in a what now?
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Postby Auzkhia » Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:40 pm

Trans women are indeed goddesses and deserve better than what mere men and mortals get.

Well, considering how often transgender and gender variant people were present in spiritual roles in a lot of societies

From Ancient Roman priestesses who castrated themselves to two spirit shamans and to Holy Hijras in India. And like the rise of transgender witches in modern times.

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Postby Moroniland » Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:44 pm

Necroghastia wrote:You earlier refused to answer in what ways you treat women differently from men. Without this, it is hard if not impossible to provide an answer, because the question as posed is (almost literally) painfully vague about what "treating" someone means.
I didn't refuse ... I just gave a short answer instead of going on for pages and pages trying to think of every situation. Honor, chivalry, complementarianism. Those would be the ideals which should guide finding the proper response.

Necroghastia wrote:The simplest answer is: it's situational.

You are threatening people's livelihoods if they get it wrong, so you're going to need something better than that!

Necroghastia wrote:You wouldn't treat a woman any different from a man in the process of, say, a normal discussion (at least, I hope you wouldn't). You would obviously, though, use different pronouns for example.

Why do you think the pronouns matter?

Honestly, I have always ascribed the most sinister motives imaginable to the whole pronouns thing because it really does seem to be about power in a very cynical, malicious way. It doesn't actually matter that they say the pronouns you want: that's just sound vibrations in the air. The point is that you want to make a show of having the power over them to make them say it. The power is what matters, not the pronouns.
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Postby Izandai » Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:47 pm

Moroniland wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:You earlier refused to answer in what ways you treat women differently from men. Without this, it is hard if not impossible to provide an answer, because the question as posed is (almost literally) painfully vague about what "treating" someone means.
I didn't refuse ... I just gave a short answer instead of going on for pages and pages trying to think of every situation. Honor, chivalry, complementarianism. Those would be the ideals which should guide finding the proper response.

Necroghastia wrote:The simplest answer is: it's situational.

You are threatening people's livelihoods if they get it wrong, so you're going to need something better than that!

Necroghastia wrote:You wouldn't treat a woman any different from a man in the process of, say, a normal discussion (at least, I hope you wouldn't). You would obviously, though, use different pronouns for example.

Why do you think the pronouns matter?

Honestly, I have always ascribed the most sinister motives imaginable to the whole pronouns thing because it really does seem to be about power in a very cynical, malicious way. It doesn't actually matter that they say the pronouns you want: that's just sound vibrations in the air. The point is that you want to make a show of having the power over them to make them say it. The power is what matters, not the pronouns.

Serious question: What the fuck is wrong with you?
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JUNCKS wrote:Ozzy is awesome but Jesus is awesomer

Hey, this is a church thread. No mentioning religion!

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Rambhutan wrote:
My blind porcupine takes exception to this


Your blind porcupine can read text? :blink:

Neanderthaland wrote:
Izandai wrote:I try to be a generous fuck. I'm more likely to have sex with someone more than once that way.

Although for some reason they always act insulted when I try to pay them to communicate how much I value sex.

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Lots of people are evil, and most of them are closer to home than ISIS


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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:52 pm

Moroniland wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:You earlier refused to answer in what ways you treat women differently from men. Without this, it is hard if not impossible to provide an answer, because the question as posed is (almost literally) painfully vague about what "treating" someone means.
I didn't refuse ... I just gave a short answer instead of going on for pages and pages trying to think of every situation. Honor, chivalry, complementarianism. Those would be the ideals which should guide finding the proper response.

Moroniland wrote:I think first we should distinguish between how I actually treat women and how I believe people should treat women. The former is a fact about me and my life history which I'm not willing to delve into

While you did proceed to go on about how you thought women should theoretically be treated, it is clear that that is different from the actuality by this statement.
Necroghastia wrote:The simplest answer is: it's situational.

You are threatening people's livelihoods if they get it wrong, so you're going to need something better than that!

...what
Necroghastia wrote:You wouldn't treat a woman any different from a man in the process of, say, a normal discussion (at least, I hope you wouldn't). You would obviously, though, use different pronouns for example.

Why do you think the pronouns matter?

Honestly, I have always ascribed the most sinister motives imaginable to the whole pronouns thing because it really does seem to be about power in a very cynical, malicious way. It doesn't actually matter that they say the pronouns you want: that's just sound vibrations in the air. The point is that you want to make a show of having the power over them to make them say it. The power is what matters, not the pronouns.

no it is literally just about the pronouns i promise you
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Postby Antibox » Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:55 pm

Auzkhia wrote:Trans women are indeed goddesses and deserve better than what mere men and mortals get.

Well, considering how often transgender and gender variant people were present in spiritual roles in a lot of societies

From Ancient Roman priestesses who castrated themselves to two spirit shamans and to Holy Hijras in India. And like the rise of transgender witches in modern times.

Excuse our divine beauty.

I know your post is in jest (at least I hope it is), but I for one do find a lot of the various spiritual traditions current seen as transgender to be interesting to read about.

On another note though, I believe everyone is too serious about the entire trans thing. Personally position is that it's not really anyone's business whether or not an individual identifies themselves as trans or whatever....I don't care really, go for it. I support people trying to find themselves, and if your journey leads you there, it's part of your path and should atleast be explored.

It is, however, very annoying that people treat each other poorly depending on which "side" of the aisle you're on, either group trying to force the other to confirm to their perspective. The hostility over something that's ultimately a personal matter is almost comical.
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Postby Moroniland » Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:10 pm

Necroghastia wrote:While you did proceed to go on about how you thought women should theoretically be treated, it is clear that that is different from the actuality by this statement.

Oh, if you're asking a personal question then I do refuse to answer on the grounds that personal questions are not relevant. Whether I personally have been a perfect angel towards women or a horrific devil towards women is not relevant to the discussion unless you're fishing for some grounds from my personal life with which to attack my character, (the ad hominem fallacy) which is not something I will cooperate with. What's relevant to the discussion is the question of what would be the right way to treat people, not how I personally have in fact treated people.

...what

People get fired from their jobs over this. They need to know.
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Postby Moroniland » Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:19 pm

Antibox wrote:On another note though, I believe everyone is too serious about the entire trans thing. Personally position is that it's not really anyone's business whether or not an individual identifies themselves as trans or whatever....I don't care really, go for it. I support people trying to find themselves, and if your journey leads you there, it's part of your path and should atleast be explored.

What makes it deadly serious is that these aren't just random nobodies on Twitter promoting their Tumblr of furry fanart anymore. They've grown up and now they run corporate America. You have to bow down to them or else you risk losing your job and becoming unemployable. What's more, they don't seem to have thought about what happens after they punish people. They seem determined to create an underclass of angry young men who are excluded from basic functions in society, as if that is going to end well for anyone.

Also, when things go wrong, it genuinely is their fault because with great power comes great responsibility.
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Postby Neu California » Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:29 pm

Moroniland wrote:
Antibox wrote:On another note though, I believe everyone is too serious about the entire trans thing. Personally position is that it's not really anyone's business whether or not an individual identifies themselves as trans or whatever....I don't care really, go for it. I support people trying to find themselves, and if your journey leads you there, it's part of your path and should atleast be explored.

What makes it deadly serious is that these aren't just random nobodies on Twitter promoting their Tumblr of furry fanart anymore. They've grown up and now they run corporate America. You have to bow down to them or else you risk losing your job and becoming unemployable. What's more, they don't seem to have thought about what happens after they punish people. They seem determined to create an underclass of angry young men who are excluded from basic functions in society, as if that is going to end well for anyone.

Also, when things go wrong, it genuinely is their fault because with great power comes great responsibility.

I'm pretty sure they only get fired if they discriminate against LGBT people or or make them feel unwelcome (harassment and the like), not just getting one thing wrong once.

If they are getting fired for getting it wrong once (instead of getting it wrong enough times that it's obvious they're deliberately not getting the message), then it shouldn't be hard to prove. So, prove it
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