Trans Discussion Thread: Catgirls Don't Need Litterboxes

[Neuer California]

All right, let's talk about how the BBC is declaring all trans women to be rapists based on a 500 respondant survey where a couple of TERFs basically interviewed their friends.

I went ahead and submitted a complaint about that article, through the bbc's contact us form. Let's see if anything comes of it.

Edit: because, yeah, that is just a hit piece

[Vassenor]

All right, let's talk about how the BBC is declaring all trans women to be rapists based on a 500 respondant survey where a couple of TERFs basically interviewed their friends.

I went ahead and submitted a complaint about that article, through the bbc's contact us form. Let's see if anything comes of it.

I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. This is the same BBC that decided that employees attending Pride marches that welcome trans people is "unnacceptably political" even if they did so in an unofficial capacity. And the same BBC that uncritically aired Nolan's bullshit about Stonewall.

[New haven america]

All right, let's talk about how the BBC is declaring all trans women to be rapists based on a 500 respondant survey where a couple of TERFs basically interviewed their friends.

I don't think it's the BCC that's saying so, but some transphobic fool. But I'm confused, is the apparent transphobe a lesbian? I'm legitimately confused

Yeah, but they're posting it and The UK is very much still on board with transphobia.

So it might as well just be the BBC saying it.

[SD_Film Artists]

I went ahead and submitted a complaint about that article, through the bbc's contact us form. Let's see if anything comes of it.

I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. This is the same BBC that decided that employees attending Pride marches that welcome trans people is "unnacceptably political" even if they did so in an unofficial capacity. And the same BBC that uncritically aired Nolan's bullshit about Stonewall.

We don't need GBNews anymore; the BBC is now based and right-wing.

[Vassenor]

I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. This is the same BBC that decided that employees attending Pride marches that welcome trans people is "unnacceptably political" even if they did so in an unofficial capacity. And the same BBC that uncritically aired Nolan's bullshit about Stonewall.

We don't need GBNews anymore; the BBC is now based and right-wing.

Apparently fearmongering is based now. Huh.

[New haven america]

I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. This is the same BBC that decided that employees attending Pride marches that welcome trans people is "unnacceptably political" even if they did so in an unofficial capacity. And the same BBC that uncritically aired Nolan's bullshit about Stonewall.

We don't need GBNews anymore; the BBC is now based and right-wing.

Transphobia's still considered a bipartisan belief in the UK.

[The New California Republic]

We don't need GBNews anymore; the BBC is now based and right-wing.

Transphobia's still considered a bipartisan belief in the UK.

Oh absolutely. There are elements across the entire UK spectrum that are transphobic.

[Cannot think of a name]

Internet fans definitely care more about the Doctor Who canon than anyone who works on it

And therein lies the core problem. They're more focused on LGBT/idpol agenda rather than writing a good story. It's not that they're *bad* at writing (though also that too), but rather that they're just not hired to write Dr Who, which is kinda weird considering that the show is Dr Who. A lot of the writers in Whittaker's tenure have a background in soaps or political theatre rather than actually writing science fiction.

You know the show was originally supposed to be an educational show about history...I'm not even going to say 'right' because I know you know that. The show has always been about social issues. For fuck's sake, #9 tells a bunch of Londoners in World War II not to forget the health care system or welfare state...I can't remember which. The only way for Doctor Who, new and classic, to be any more moralistic he'd have to do one of those He-Man 'lessons we learned' address at the end of the episode. If it hasn't bothered you until now you have to wonder why that is. Charitably, Doctor Who isn't new to you anymore and now you're starting to notice stuff. Who knows. (HA!) But the long and the short of it, that assessment just doesn't really pan out. You are more concerned with the LGBT/idpol, but that doesn't really translate to them being more concerned about it.

Also, stop being so precious about Superman's kid. This isn't some golden age character that has 80 years of canon behind him. He was introduced in 2016. I'm guessing you've never encountered someone who has come out and how that's a personal decision that takes time including time with themselves as they doubt who they are, which makes this again five year old character not some giant shock to the continuity but kinda in line with the LGBTQi experience.

Manufactured outrage. No one gives a shit but you. Here's a tip-you want it to not be a big deal? Shut the fuck up about it. I wouldn't have even known Superman had a kid in the comics if people hadn't lost their fucking shit when he turned out to be bi or whatever he is I don't really care because he's literally just a drawing.

Ironic that you talk of manufactured outrage, as literally the first thing I said on this topic was that I really don't mind if superman's son is bi. That wasn't just an "I'm not a racist but" platitude, I stand by it.

I'll venmo you a cookie.

[SD_Film Artists]

And therein lies the core problem. They're more focused on LGBT/idpol agenda rather than writing a good story. It's not that they're *bad* at writing (though also that too), but rather that they're just not hired to write Dr Who, which is kinda weird considering that the show is Dr Who. A lot of the writers in Whittaker's tenure have a background in soaps or political theatre rather than actually writing science fiction.

You know the show was originally supposed to be an educational show about history...I'm not even going to say 'right' because I know you know that. The show has always been about social issues. For fuck's sake, #9 tells a bunch of Londoners in World War II not to forget the health care system or welfare state...I can't remember which. The only way for Doctor Who, new and classic, to be any more moralistic he'd have to do one of those He-Man 'lessons we learned' address at the end of the episode. If it hasn't bothered you until now you have to wonder why that is. Charitably, Doctor Who isn't new to you anymore and now you're starting to notice stuff. Who knows. (HA!) But the long and the short of it, that assessment just doesn't really pan out. You are more concerned with the LGBT/idpol, but that doesn't really translate to them being more concerned about it.

Except that before if there was any politics in the show (and yes there was on occasion) it would be a subtle thing which didn't harm the plot or the overwall feel of the show, whereas now it's more on the nose. I'm surprised that Bradley Walsh's character servived as long as he did considering that he's a cishet white man.

It's not just me; the shows ratings having been plummiting to such a disasterous degree that they're begging for Russell T Davies to return to keep the ship afloat. Also it was hilarious to see Tennant giving a not-so-subtle quip towards Whittaker about how they loved the Christmas specials- remember when the Dr Who Christmas specials were actually at Christmas rather than New Year?

Ironic that you talk of manufactured outrage, as literally the first thing I said on this topic was that I really don't mind if superman's son is bi. That wasn't just an "I'm not a racist but" platitude, I stand by it.

I'll venmo you a cookie.

Retracting the last two nonsense paragraphs would be cool too, but I'm happy to settle with a cookie thanks.

[Uiiop]

You know the show was originally supposed to be an educational show about history...I'm not even going to say 'right' because I know you know that. The show has always been about social issues. For fuck's sake, #9 tells a bunch of Londoners in World War II not to forget the health care system or welfare state...I can't remember which. The only way for Doctor Who, new and classic, to be any more moralistic he'd have to do one of those He-Man 'lessons we learned' address at the end of the episode. If it hasn't bothered you until now you have to wonder why that is. Charitably, Doctor Who isn't new to you anymore and now you're starting to notice stuff. Who knows. (HA!) But the long and the short of it, that assessment just doesn't really pan out. You are more concerned with the LGBT/idpol, but that doesn't really translate to them being more concerned about it.

Except that before if there was any politics in the show (and yes there was on occasion) it would be a subtle thing which didn't harm the plot or the overwall feel of the show, whereas now it's more on the nose. I'm surprised that Bradley Walsh's character servived as long as he did considering that he's a cishet white man.

It's not just me; the shows ratings having been plummiting to such a disasterous degree that they're begging for Russell T Davies to return to keep the ship afloat. Also it was hilarious to see Tennant giving a not-so-subtle quip towards Whittaker about how they loved the Christmas specials- remember when the Dr Who Christmas specials were actually at Christmas rather than New Year?

I'll venmo you a cookie.

Retracting the last two nonsense paragraphs would be cool too, but I'm happy to settle with a cookie thanks.

Mr “Iraq war is caused by fart aliens” was subtle
The series that portrayed thahter as miss no happiness was subtle?

[SD_Film Artists]

Except that before if there was any politics in the show (and yes there was on occasion) it would be a subtle thing which didn't harm the plot or the overwall feel of the show, whereas now it's more on the nose. I'm surprised that Bradley Walsh's character servived as long as he did considering that he's a cishet white man.

It's not just me; the shows ratings having been plummiting to such a disasterous degree that they're begging for Russell T Davies to return to keep the ship afloat. Also it was hilarious to see Tennant giving a not-so-subtle quip towards Whittaker about how they loved the Christmas specials- remember when the Dr Who Christmas specials were actually at Christmas rather than New Year?



Retracting the last two nonsense paragraphs would be cool too, but I'm happy to settle with a cookie thanks.

Mr “Iraq war is caused by fart aliens” was subtle
The series that portrayed thahter as miss no happiness was subtle?

Ie not detracting from the show, and not talking about how they're so happy to "use Dr Who as a platform". Similar to what I mentioned before; The older Dr Who writers wrote Dr sci-fi, whereas the new writers were brought in from soaps and political theatre.

[Vassenor]

Mr “Iraq war is caused by fart aliens” was subtle
The series that portrayed thahter as miss no happiness was subtle?

Ie not detracting from the show, and not talking about how they're so happy to "use Dr Who as a platform". Similar to what I mentioned before; The older Dr Who writers wrote Dr sci-fi, whereas the new writers were brought in from soaps and political theatre.

"The series that portrayed Thatcher as miss no happiness" is a dig at the Classic serial The Happiness Patrol. And this is before we get to other serials like Pertwee-era story The Curse of Peladon literally being "should Britain join the EEC" only in space, or "Invasion of the Dinosaurs" unsubtly going on about pollution and the damage it's doing to the planet.

[Uiiop]

Mr “Iraq war is caused by fart aliens” was subtle
The series that portrayed thahter as miss no happiness was subtle?

Ie not detracting from the show, and not talking about how they're so happy to "use Dr Who as a platform".

No it pretty had some stinkers in its messaging.
Are you seriously defending the fart aliens lmao?

Like if you want to prove this is an objective trend using cheesy ass didactic doctor who as an example undermines your point.

Art is subjective and mass art doesn’t give as much of a fuck about criticism of key premises regardless of intentions. Just because people called other mean names over irrational knee jerk reaction that you don’t bother defending doesn’t an agenda is solely to blame for you not liking things.

[Vassenor]

Ie not detracting from the show, and not talking about how they're so happy to "use Dr Who as a platform".

No it pretty had some stinkers in its messaging.
Are you seriously defending the fart aliens lmao?

Like if you want to prove this is an objective trend using cheesy ass didactic doctor who as an example undermines your point.

Art is subjective and mass art doesn’t give as much of a fuck about criticism of key premises regardless of intentions. Just because people called other mean names over irrational knee jerk reaction that you don’t bother defending doesn’t an agenda is solely to blame for you not liking things.

Also that point where 10 literally turned a woman into a blowjob dispensing slab of concrete.

[Uiiop]

The funny thing is that once you get the past the wrong interpretation that “They only made the doctor more special because she’s a girl now” their more explicitly political stuff is actually the best part of the damn thing even if I absolutely disagree with it. It’s the stuff they do in-between and the whole “Punish someone by letting people be racist to them.” is where they fucked up.

[SD_Film Artists]

Ie not detracting from the show, and not talking about how they're so happy to "use Dr Who as a platform". Similar to what I mentioned before; The older Dr Who writers wrote Dr sci-fi, whereas the new writers were brought in from soaps and political theatre.

"The series that portrayed Thatcher as miss no happiness" is a dig at the Classic serial The Happiness Patrol. And this is before we get to other serials like Pertwee-era story The Curse of Peladon literally being "should Britain join the EEC" only in space, or "Invasion of the Dinosaurs" unsubtly going on about pollution and the damage it's doing to the planet.

I'm not pretending that pre-Whitaker Dr Who was a-political (and I'm not going to continue down that path anyway since it's already struggling to keep a wheel on the thread path). The point is, the writers where hired from non-scifi, idpol backgrounds and it shows in the ratings.

[Vassenor]

"The series that portrayed Thatcher as miss no happiness" is a dig at the Classic serial The Happiness Patrol. And this is before we get to other serials like Pertwee-era story The Curse of Peladon literally being "should Britain join the EEC" only in space, or "Invasion of the Dinosaurs" unsubtly going on about pollution and the damage it's doing to the planet.

I'm not pretending that pre-Whitaker was a-political. I remember when 8th or 9th Doctor was talking about how "Scotland moved away with their own seperate spaceship". The point is, the writers where hired from non-scifi, idpol backgrounds and it shows in the ratings.

Still pretending idpol is actually a thing I see.

[Uiiop]

"The series that portrayed Thatcher as miss no happiness" is a dig at the Classic serial The Happiness Patrol. And this is before we get to other serials like Pertwee-era story The Curse of Peladon literally being "should Britain join the EEC" only in space, or "Invasion of the Dinosaurs" unsubtly going on about pollution and the damage it's doing to the planet.

I'm not pretending that pre-Whitaker Dr Who was a-political (and I'm not going to continue down that path anyway since it's already struggling to keep a wheel on the thread path). The point is, the writers where hired from non-scifi, idpol backgrounds and it shows in the ratings.

You started it. Everyone would just walked on by if you didn’t project your flame war beefs into something you admit wasn’t a part of it.

So I’ll just say: ok fart alien defender.

[SD_Film Artists]

I'm not pretending that pre-Whitaker was a-political. I remember when 8th or 9th Doctor was talking about how "Scotland moved away with their own seperate spaceship". The point is, the writers where hired from non-scifi, idpol backgrounds and it shows in the ratings.

Still pretending idpol is actually a thing I see.

I notice that this is a recurring habit; cancel culture is still alive and well in the Trans/LGBT community but whenever the subject is brought up in a direct way here it's suddenly- "no one has been chancelled" "lol 'woke' is such an old word now, sooooo 2016 lololololol"

[SD_Film Artists]

I'm not pretending that pre-Whitaker Dr Who was a-political (and I'm not going to continue down that path anyway since it's already struggling to keep a wheel on the thread path). The point is, the writers where hired from non-scifi, idpol backgrounds and it shows in the ratings.

You started it. Everyone would just walked on by if you didn’t project your flame war beefs into something you admit wasn’t a part of it.

So I’ll just say: ok fart alien defender.

That was Saiwania. That's now the 3rd time that I've had to correct basic post narratives. Seriously it's like the page selector doesn't exist in this thread.

[Vassenor]

Still pretending idpol is actually a thing I see.

I notice that this is a recurring habit; cancel culture is still alive and well in the Trans/LGBT community but whenever the subject is brought up in a direct way here it's suddenly- "no one has been chancelled" "lol 'woke' is such an old word now, sooooo 2016 lololololol"

Define cancel culture then.

[Vassenor]

You started it. Everyone would just walked on by if you didn’t project your flame war beefs into something you admit wasn’t a part of it.

So I’ll just say: ok fart alien defender.

That was Saiwania.

Aye, Sai originally brought it up. But the discussion had already moved on until you dragged us back onto it.

[Uiiop]

Still pretending idpol is actually a thing I see.

I notice that this is a recurring habit; cancel culture is still alive and well in the Trans/LGBT community but whenever the subject is brought up in a direct way here it's suddenly- "no one has been chancelled" "lol 'woke' is such an old word now, sooooo 2016 lololololol"

An truly consistent anti-cancel culture person wouldn’t conflate being mean and dismissive in an conversation to firing someone.
And trying to spin an derail to an persuxtion complex when you goalpost moved and mottle Bailey your arguments is just cringe.

[SD_Film Artists]

That was Saiwania. That's now the 3rd time that I've had to correct basic post narratives. Seriously it's like the page selector doesn't exist in this thread.

Aye, Sai originally brought it up. But the discussion had already moved on until you dragged us back onto it.

To be fair, the thread was pretty inactive even with certain things on Netflix happening in the last couple of weeks, so I responded.

[Uiiop]

You started it. Everyone would just walked on by if you didn’t project your flame war beefs into something you admit wasn’t a part of it.

So I’ll just say: ok fart alien defender.

That was Saiwania. That's now the 3rd time that I've had to correct basic post narratives. Seriously it's like the page selector doesn't exist in this thread.

I was referring to your response . And going continued an derail cause by an nazi is not really an better look.