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The Huskar Social Union wrote:r/conservative went into a full on melt down over it based on my earlier perusing which was hilarious.

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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Wed Oct 13, 2021 4:55 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:r/conservative went into a full on melt down over it based on my earlier perusing which was hilarious.

At least they have a safe space where they can vent their anger regarding bi superman.

Speaking of that, remember when Marvel made superheroes named Snowflake and Safespace along with "experimental internet gas"? That was a mistake.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:15 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:r/conservative went into a full on melt down over it based on my earlier perusing which was hilarious.

At least they have a safe space where they can vent their anger regarding bi superman.

Speaking of that, remember when Marvel made superheroes named Snowflake and Safespace along with "experimental internet gas"? That was a mistake.

That sounds that a comedy parody from a conservative YouTube channel.
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Osagyefo Oseadeeyo Agyemang Badu II, president of the House of Chiefs in Ghana’s Bono region promises to "storm Parliament with 10,000 people" if bill to promote conversion therapy, ban advocating for LGBT+ rights and gender affirming health care for trans people fails

A regional leader is threatening Ghana’s national government if they don’t pass a law to increase criminalization of homosexuality and transgender identity and saying that gay people should be killed.

“I heard some people are against the Anti LGBQT+ Bill,” said Osagyefo Oseadeeyo Agyemang Badu II, the president of the House of Chiefs in Ghana’s Bono region. “It would not be good for all of us because I’ll storm Parliament with 10,000 people.” Ghana’s parliament is currently debating the “Promotion of Proper Human Sexual Rights and Ghanaian Family Values Bill 2021,” which would promote conversion therapy and ban advocating for LGBTQ rights, as well as gender affirming health care for trans people.

Homosexuality is already illegal in the majority-Christian country, and the new bill would increase the maximum prison sentence for homosexuality from three to five years. It would also ban “grossly indecent acts” that involve “amorous relations” between two people of the same sex, which experts say could include holding hands, as well as “intentional cross dressing,” which could include theater and film.

Moreover, the ban on LGBTQ propaganda puts people at risk for prosecution for associating with LGBTQ people, which led one Ghanaian publication to say it “compels Ghanaians to police gender and sexuality in their homes, workplaces, and everyday lives.”

The human rights group Rightify Ghana described the bill as the “most homophobic document the world has ever seen.” According to the Ghanaian publication Pulse, Badu said that he was “saddened” to hear that some members of Parliament oppose the bill, which has been condemned as a human rights violation by the U.N.

“It is like some educated are now becoming backward thinkers,” he said.

“Pastors and majority of Ghanaians are against the LGBQT+, saying a man cannot marry man and woman cannot marry a woman because how can they give birth and multiply in the world,” Badu continued. “I would have allowed them to marry, if I was [President] Nana Akufo-Addo, but with a condition that if they will be killed if they fail to give birth within a year.”

Badu also said that “all the beautiful women” will not be able to marry if homosexuality is legalized in the country.

President Akufo-Addo is reportedly hesitant to sign the bill, which was originated by a member of the opposition party in Parliament. While most Ghanaians have a negative opinion of LGBTQ people – 90% support the criminalization of homosexuality, according to a 2014 poll – Akufo-Addo is a lawyer educated at Oxford University who worked at a law firm in Paris prior to entering politics in Ghana, and may hold more liberal views.

He has already taken a stance against marriage equality, but one diplomat who spoke with France 24 said that it’s “quite obvious he is not very fond of this bill… but it’s a delicate issue, they can see the general public opinion.”

Supporters of the bill claim that homosexuality in Ghana is the result of Western influence and that the law is necessary to protect Ghanaian culture.

“We need to protect our children who are currently being targeted by these LGBTQ+ people making them believe that it’s the new way of life,” said a member of Parliament, Samuel Nartey George, one of the biggest supporters of the anti-LGBTQ bill.

“Our culture should not be destroyed.”
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:49 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:At least they have a safe space where they can vent their anger regarding bi superman.

Speaking of that, remember when Marvel made superheroes named Snowflake and Safespace along with "experimental internet gas"? That was a mistake.

That sounds that a comedy parody from a conservative YouTube channel.

https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/ ... w-warriors

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Despite hours of emotional testimony to lawmakers on why not to pass the bill, Texas’ newest piece of anti-trans legislation, House Bill 25, was approved by a House committee last week and heads to the full Texas House, where it is likely to pass.

The bill would prohibit transgender student athletes from joining school sports teams aligned with their gender identity and the House Select Committee on Constitutional Rights and Remedies approved along party lines with a 8-4 vote. The bill would only allow student athletes at public schools to play on sports teams that correspond with the sex listed on their birth certificate at, or near the time of, birth.

The Lone Star State has enjoyed plenty of time in the news recently for its legislators’ abhorrent decisions, sparking national outrage with its abortion ban that essentially deemed Roe v. Wade useless at the beginning of September, along with yet another anti-trans bill from the Senate, essentially looking to do the same damage as HB 25.

The University Interscholastic League governs public school sports in Texas and already requires that an athlete’s gender be determined by the birth certificate, though they also accept legally modified birth certificates where students officially changed their gender to align with their gender identity. If the new bill becomes law, it would no longer allow for the acceptance of legally modified birth certificates.

Republican lawmakers say this type of legislation protects cisgender women’s rights under Title IX, parts of HB 25 claiming that the participation of trans girls on teams of mostly cis girls presents safety hazards for cis girls and prevents them from obtaining athletic scholarships.

Though, medical professionals have largely debunked the arguments that trans-feminine people on testosterone have a competitive advantage. One study showed people taking hormones has no significant performance edge in distance running.

Dr. Eric Vilain, a pediatrician and geneticist who studies sex difference in athletes, also says, “The science of whether testosterone in real life is actually providing an advantage in competition is not clearly established,” in an NPR interview conducted earlier this year.

LGBTQ athletic advocates, like Athlete Ally’s Director of Policy and Programs Anne Lieberman, also note that, while these bills are often framed to protect the rights of cis female athletes, most of these active athletes are advocating for mental health support, pay equity, and sponsorship deals; they aren’t concerned about trans competition.

“They’re horrified that, you know, kids are being used as political punching bags and bargaining chips,” Lieberman tells OFM, “and people who have spent their lives, especially cis women athletes, you know, dedicating their lives to sport, have said, ‘Not in my name. I don’t want people saying that this is what women athletes want, because we’ve always been a stronger, more impactful global sports community when we are inclusive and empowering to everyone.’”

Lieberman also says anti-trans bills targeting youth athletes are essentially just updated “bathroom bills,” aimed to warp the narrative of trans people to seem scary or predatory in relation to the American public, many of whom have never met a trans person face-to-face (that they know of).

Other opponents of the legislation point out how these bills are hurting the mental health of children who are already vulnerable. The hours of testimony from numerous parents of trans youth touched on this, including Amber Briggle, the mother of a 13-year-old trans boy.

“He’s 13; he shouldn’t have to deal with that,” Briggle says. “I want him to go to gymnastics. I want to go to taekwondo. I want him to do well in school, and I don’t want to have him worry about this because I saw how much it harmed him in April and May.”

Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick has said in past statements that he will continue to push for the transgender sports bill until it becomes law.

Though, many individuals and entities in Texas have spoken out against the legislation as well. Texas Completes is a coalition of 1,500 business organizations and re-released an open letter this week saying it was against legislation targeting the LGBTQ community. Amazon, Dell Technologies, and Microsoft were among the major employers that signed on to the letter.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:05 pm

Saiwania wrote:So, DC comics is making Superman bisexual or his son. What are people's thoughts on this new culture war? Conservatives and myself, hate it. Not the end of the world but dang, this is Hollywood or woke culture ruining another thing from my standpoint. A sign of the times?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/11/entertai ... index.html

Wait until Conservatives realize he's an immigrant, a journalist, and spends his time fighting an evil Corporate CEO.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:16 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Saiwania wrote:So, DC comics is making Superman bisexual or his son. What are people's thoughts on this new culture war? Conservatives and myself, hate it. Not the end of the world but dang, this is Hollywood or woke culture ruining another thing from my standpoint. A sign of the times?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/11/entertai ... index.html

Wait until Conservatives realize he's an immigrant, a journalist, and spends his time fighting an evil Corporate CEO.

reminder that one of the earliest superman stories was literally him taking on the Klan :lol2:
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Postby Jykku » Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:02 pm

Forsher wrote:I don't read DC, but I imagine they have trans (as opposed to bisexual) characters, too.

Indeed. In fact, one of us is one of the Super Friends on the Supergirl television show on The CW. She's a half-alien transwoman, but it still counts, dammit!

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:08 pm

Kowani wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Wait until Conservatives realize he's an immigrant, a journalist, and spends his time fighting an evil Corporate CEO.

reminder that one of the earliest superman stories was literally him taking on the Klan :lol2:


And the impact of said radio drama was that the real world Klan almost collapsed.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:13 pm

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Kowani wrote:reminder that one of the earliest superman stories was literally him taking on the Klan :lol2:


And the impact of said radio drama was that the real world Klan almost collapsed.


This isn't correct. The Klan collapsed because of DC Stephenson, a Grand Dragon from Indiana who kidnapped, raped and forced a young white woman to commit suicide. This caused the Second Klan, a group founded on being defenders of a moral society, to experience a rapid and massive decline in membership.
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Postby Forsher » Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:47 am

Jykku wrote:
Forsher wrote:I don't read DC, but I imagine they have trans (as opposed to bisexual) characters, too.

Indeed. In fact, one of us is one of the Super Friends on the Supergirl television show on The CW. She's a half-alien transwoman, but it still counts, dammit!

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I still say that (in theory) SCOTUS should strike this down over sex discrimination.

Transwomen are women and transmen are men but even if the court refused to recognize this and only considered assigned sex at birth, this is still an instance of AMAB/boys/men being subjected to a restriction that AFAB/girls/women aren't. Trans boys/men/AFAB are not subject to restrictions but trans girls/women/AMAB are.

However you slice it, whether you recognize a person's gender identity or not, one sex is restricted while another sex isn't. Seems pretty clear cut unconstitutional.
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The Kingdom Of The Three Isles wrote:Genesis 5:2
He created them male and female and blessed them. And he named them “Mankind” a when they were created.

I did not know that the Bible is as well against transgenders. That is an argument more.

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The Kingdom Of The Three Isles wrote:Genesis 5:2
He created them male and female and blessed them. And he named them “Mankind” a when they were created.

I did not know that the Bible is as well against transgenders. That is an argument more.

TIL that god only created things once
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Necroghastia wrote:
Inarceseropia wrote:I did not know that the Bible is as well against transgenders. That is an argument more.

TIL that god only created things once

And tbh given that a literal interpretation of the Bible in terms of the creation totally flies in the face of evidence like geology and biology etc, we can take what it says with a pinch of salt.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Oct 15, 2021 3:35 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:TIL that god only created things once

And tbh given that a literal interpretation of the Bible in terms of the creation totally flies in the face of evidence like geology and biology etc, we can take what it says with a pinch of salt.

More like a mass of salt the equivalent of a neutron star's weight.

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The New California Republic wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:TIL that god only created things once

And tbh given that a literal interpretation of the Bible in terms of the creation totally flies in the face of evidence like geology and biology etc, we can take what it says with a pinch of salt.


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