Trans Discussion Thread: Catgirls Don't Need Litterboxes

[Auzkhia]

Christians, a well-known group of political islamists in Turkey.

The laws instituted by Mustafa Kemal were anti-religious freedom. Even the UN says Turkey's religious freedom is bad. I'm not gonna act like Turkey was some secular paradise before Erdogan just because you're telling me not to, women were literally kicked out of hospitals seeking medical treatment because they wore the Hijab.

Transgenderism is a terrible sin, they're basically saying that God didn't make them perfect and in his image. It's a total distortion of his intent, imagine dying and facing God's judgment and being told "I do not know you", that is what I believe happens to these people once they pass away.

Bright Apollo made me trans, which god were you talking about again?

Not everyone is a christian

[The New California Republic]

Transgenderism is a terrible sin, they're basically saying that God didn't make them perfect and in his image. It's a total distortion of his intent, imagine dying and facing God's judgment and being told "I do not know you", that is what I believe happens to these people once they pass away.

Bright Apollo made me trans, which god were you talking about again?

Not everyone is a christian

Isn't Dionysus actually the god of transgender people?

[Auzkhia]

Bright Apollo made me trans, which god were you talking about again?

Not everyone is a christian

Isn't Dionysus actually the god of transgender people?

If anything that would be Hermaphrodite, the intersex child of Hermes and Aphrodite

Apollo was the creator of humans in their current form according to the mythos, and is a god of healing and medcine among many other things (oracles, music, the sun, the young, archery, etc). But it's not like Dionysus and Apollo are compared all the time.

[Resilient Acceleration]

Christians, a well-known group of political islamists in Turkey.

The laws instituted by Mustafa Kemal were anti-religious freedom. Even the UN says Turkey's religious freedom is bad. I'm not gonna act like Turkey was some secular paradise before Erdogan just because you're telling me not to, women were literally kicked out of hospitals seeking medical treatment because they wore the Hijab.

Transgenderism is a terrible sin, they're basically saying that God didn't make them perfect and in his image. It's a total distortion of his intent, imagine dying and facing God's judgment and being told "I do not know you", that is what I believe happens to these people once they pass away.

TIL that God suffers from childhood-onset bone cancer, ulcerative colitis, and rapidly shrinking brain cerebra due to genetic disorders, considering all humans are created in "his image".

[The New California Republic]

Isn't Dionysus actually the god of transgender people?

If anything that would be Hermaphrodite, the intersex child of Hermes and Aphrodite

Apollo was the creator of humans in their current form according to the mythos, and is a god of healing and medcine among many other things (oracles, music, the sun, the young, archery, etc). But it's not like Dionysus and Apollo are compared all the time.

I've just seen references that refer to Dionysus as such.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Bright Apollo made me trans, which god were you talking about again?

Not everyone is a christian

Isn't Dionysus actually the god of transgender people?

Hermaphroditus and Aphroditus would be more apt, theologically speaking. Enough so that some sources blur the lines on if they're even distinct or two sides of the same coin.

[Michel Meilleur]

Whether you feel compelled by it or not, it is true. The concerns expressed are insincere.

Or so you claim.

Obviously so, because gender affirming care for trans children can be life saving, and no one who cares about the welfare of a child would prefer to see that child dead by suicide than to risk the density of their bones.

Or so you claim. Personally, I feel like you're pulling the binary of choice of either : "fuck up permanently the body of a child to "give him time to choose" whether he'd want surgery to remove his genitals and be pumped full of hormones or not to do that" or "ignore his illness and tell him to kill himself" out of your ass because there seem to be plenty of other possible roads to take whether it's psychiatric consulting, other kinds of drugs or regular psychological counselling.

How's that?

Puberty blockers, as their name indicate, block puberty; one of the most important part of a person's growth that we are unable to artificially reproduce. All the growth that you blocked that your body was supposed to undergo is never coming back. The added effect of those medications on your bones is also permanent. Whether the child goes through or not his decision to "change sex", the damage is done to his body and it will never away.

But you don't give a shit about it and try to equate it to aspirin because you're doing exactly what you accuse others of doing. Not giving a shit about the health of the child and only caring about the politic of it.

So you agree then that we need to stop treating early puberty? Given that uses the same drugs but no-one ever has an issue with it.

"If you don't want to use Ivermectin against COVID, that means that we shouldn't use it on horses either!"
k lol

[Senkaku]

Puberty blockers, as their name indicate, block puberty; one of the most important part of a person's growth that we are unable to artificially reproduce. All the growth that you blocked that your body was supposed to undergo is never coming back.

sorry just checking but you do know that synthetic HGH is a thing that exists right

[Vassenor]

Whether you feel compelled by it or not, it is true. The concerns expressed are insincere.

Or so you claim.

Obviously so, because gender affirming care for trans children can be life saving, and no one who cares about the welfare of a child would prefer to see that child dead by suicide than to risk the density of their bones.

Or so you claim. Personally, I feel like you're pulling the binary of choice of either : "fuck up permanently the body of a child to "give him time to choose" whether he'd want surgery to remove his genitals and be pumped full of hormones or not to do that" or "ignore his illness and tell him to kill himself" out of your ass because there seem to be plenty of other possible roads to take whether it's psychiatric consulting, other kinds of drugs or regular psychological counselling.

How's that?

Puberty blockers, as their name indicate, block puberty; one of the most important part of a person's growth that we are unable to artificially reproduce. All the growth that you blocked that your body was supposed to undergo is never coming back. The added effect of those medications on your bones is also permanent. Whether the child goes through or not his decision to "change sex", the damage is done to his body and it will never away.

But you don't give a shit about it and try to equate it to aspirin because you're doing exactly what you accuse others of doing. Not giving a shit about the health of the child and only caring about the politic of it.

So you agree then that we need to stop treating early puberty? Given that uses the same drugs but no-one ever has an issue with it.

"If you don't want to use Ivermectin against COVID, that means that we shouldn't use it on horses either!"
k lol

So blocking puberty is only bad when done to trans kids?

[Caleonia]

Or so you claim.

Or so you claim. Personally, I feel like you're pulling the binary of choice of either : "fuck up permanently the body of a child to "give him time to choose" whether he'd want surgery to remove his genitals and be pumped full of hormones or not to do that" or "ignore his illness and tell him to kill himself" out of your ass because there seem to be plenty of other possible roads to take whether it's psychiatric consulting, other kinds of drugs or regular psychological counselling.


Puberty blockers, as their name indicate, block puberty; one of the most important part of a person's growth that we are unable to artificially reproduce. All the growth that you blocked that your body was supposed to undergo is never coming back. The added effect of those medications on your bones is also permanent. Whether the child goes through or not his decision to "change sex", the damage is done to his body and it will never away.

But you don't give a shit about it and try to equate it to aspirin because you're doing exactly what you accuse others of doing. Not giving a shit about the health of the child and only caring about the politic of it.


"If you don't want to use Ivermectin against COVID, that means that we shouldn't use it on horses either!"
k lol

So blocking puberty is only bad when done to trans kids?

Mind you enlighten me on what the heck puberty blocking is and why people think that’s a good idea?

[The New California Republic]

The added effect of those medications on your bones is also permanent. Whether the child goes through or not his decision to "change sex", the damage is done to his body and it will never away.

No evidence that any bone density changes related to it are permanent.

[Necroghastia]

So blocking puberty is only bad when done to trans kids?

Mind you enlighten me on what the heck puberty blocking is and why people think that’s a good idea?

Hello. I am curious about puberty blockers. I am strongly opposed to puberty blockers because I find it very weird to have a kid not get puberty and I can't possibly see any benefit, though I think this is because of my own ignorance on the subject. Is it okay if somebody tells me more information about puberty blockers? Thanks.

Puberty blockers are for the most part reversible. What they do is put off puberty. Until recently they were used in the short term to prevent precocious puberty (when a very young child goes through puberty). This gives the child the time to decide if they wish to actually transition. Puberty blockers are important because puberty itself makes it far more difficult to transition later. If a person decides that they wish to not transition then they are removed from the puberty blockers and puberty goes on as normal. Blockers simply allow the individual to mature and make an informed choice.

[Michel Meilleur]

Puberty blockers, as their name indicate, block puberty; one of the most important part of a person's growth that we are unable to artificially reproduce. All the growth that you blocked that your body was supposed to undergo is never coming back.

sorry just checking but you do know that synthetic HGH is a thing that exists right

Yeah. Synthetic HGH can't artificially reproduce puberty tho.

So blocking puberty is only bad when done to trans kids?

Blocking puberty is always bad. Sometimes there are medical reasons to make it the "lesser bad", but sexual identity issues are not one of them.

[Michel Meilleur]

No evidence that any bone density changes related to it are permanent.

Bone growth happens during childhood and puberty. Block the hormones that happen during either and that growth that you lost is never coming back.

[The New California Republic]

No evidence that any bone density changes related to it are permanent.

Bone growth happens during childhood and puberty. Block the hormones that happen during either and that growth that you lost is never coming back.

No evidence of lack of bone density recovery.

[Michel Meilleur]

No evidence of lack of bone density recovery.

We're not talking about recovery here. We're talking about growth. You can't recover what you never had.

[The New California Republic]

No evidence of lack of bone density recovery.

We're not talking about recovery here. We're talking about growth. You can't recover what you never had.

Bone density development is something that can continually be improved up to the late twenties via diet and exercise, well after any puberty blocking would cease, so stop acting as if bone density issues would be permanent. There is no evidence that they are.

And just to note, what I meant by recovery is getting back to baseline bone density levels for their age bracket.

[Kowani]

The most comprehensive and recent meta-review I could find on the effects of long-term cross-sex hormone therapy on bone mineral density finds...almost nothing

Nineteen studies were meta-analyzed (487 trans men and 812 trans women). In trans men, mean BMD difference compared with natal women was not significant in any site in either cross-sectional or before-after studies. In trans women, mean BMD difference was not significant compared with natal men at the femoral neck, total femur, and lumbar spine in cross-sectional studies; before-after studies reported a slight but significant increase in lumbar spine BMD after 12 and ≥24 months of treatment.

[The New California Republic]

The most comprehensive and recent meta-review I could find on the effects of long-term cross-sex hormone therapy on bone mineral density finds...almost nothing

Nineteen studies were meta-analyzed (487 trans men and 812 trans women). In trans men, mean BMD difference compared with natal women was not significant in any site in either cross-sectional or before-after studies. In trans women, mean BMD difference was not significant compared with natal men at the femoral neck, total femur, and lumbar spine in cross-sectional studies; before-after studies reported a slight but significant increase in lumbar spine BMD after 12 and ≥24 months of treatment.

Thanks for that Kowani.

[Ifreann]

Whether you feel compelled by it or not, it is true. The concerns expressed are insincere.

Or so you claim.

Obviously so, because gender affirming care for trans children can be life saving, and no one who cares about the welfare of a child would prefer to see that child dead by suicide than to risk the density of their bones.

Or so you claim. Personally, I feel like you're pulling the binary of choice of either : "fuck up permanently the body of a child to "give him time to choose" whether he'd want surgery to remove his genitals and be pumped full of hormones or not to do that" or "ignore his illness and tell him to kill himself" out of your ass because there seem to be plenty of other possible roads to take whether it's psychiatric consulting, other kinds of drugs or regular psychological counselling.

There aren't other possible roads, though. If someone is trans, there is nothing anyone can do to make them not be trans. The only remotely compassionate course of action is to help them transition and help them deal with the transphobia in society. There is no counselling or course of drugs that can make a boy okay with his body turning into a woman's body. Obviously.

How's that?

Puberty blockers, as their name indicate, block puberty; one of the most important part of a person's growth that we are unable to artificially reproduce.

Uh, yeah we are. We can synthetically produce hormones and give them to people in the form of pills or injections.

All the growth that you blocked that your body was supposed to undergo is never coming back. The added effect of those medications on your bones is also permanent. Whether the child goes through or not his decision to "change sex", the damage is done to his body and it will never away.

But you don't give a shit about it and try to equate it to aspirin because you're doing exactly what you accuse others of doing. Not giving a shit about the health of the child and only caring about the politic of it.

People go on about bone density like it's some catastrophic, life destroying ailment, but really it's just like the side effects of any medicine. Something to be aware of and to manage while you take the medicine that you and your doctor discussed and agreed was the best choice to solve your problem.

My dude, trans people already exist, we know that they don't go around in full body casts because their bones have turned to powder.

[Ifreann]

Hot take, puberty blockers aren't even for the children they're given to. I'd bet that in most cases, the kid doesn't need more time to be sure about who they are. It's the parents who need time, who need to feel like their child is more mature before really believing them about their gender.

[The New California Republic]

My dude, trans people already exist, we know that they don't go around in full body casts because their bones have turned to powder.

[Ifreann]

My dude, trans people already exist, we know that they don't go around in full body casts because their bones have turned to powder.

At least, not until they get into their thirties, but that's the same for cis people.


RIP my bones

[The New California Republic]

At least, not until they get into their thirties, but that's the same for cis people.


RIP my bones

Tell me about it. Was doing something to the motorbike last week and my back and right hip were sore after, must have been the angle I was needing to lean in at.

[Michel Meilleur]

There aren't other possible roads, though. If someone is trans, there is nothing anyone can do to make them not be trans. The only remotely compassionate course of action is to help them transition and help them deal with the transphobia in society. There is no counselling or course of drugs that can make a boy okay with his body turning into a woman's body. Obviously.

There are plenty of other roads. After all, we don't let peoples who suffer from apotemnophilia amputate themselves like that just because they feel like one of their limbs "doesn't belong". We don't "abandon them and tell them to kill themselves" or "just let them cut their own arm or leg". We give them counselling, we give them drug, we give them psychotherapy. That's what mental healthcare is about.

Uh, yeah we are. We can synthetically produce hormones and give them to people in the form of pills or injections.

lmao, "puberty pills" don't exist and just pumping peoples with male or female hormones doesn't nearly reproduce the natural changes that occur during puberty, not to mention the very heavy side-effects they have.

People go on about bone density like it's some catastrophic, life destroying ailment, but really it's just like the side effects of any medicine. Something to be aware of and to manage while you take the medicine that you and your doctor discussed and agreed was the best choice to solve your problem.

My dude, trans people already exist, we know that they don't go around in full body casts because their bones have turned to powder.

It's another severe health complication in top of a lot of other severe health complications that has the possibility to ruin a young kid's body even more. We know that people who undergoes "sex change" suffer from a lot of health issues due to the drugs they're taking whose effect is not to be downplayed.