Trans Discussion Thread: Catgirls Don't Need Litterboxes

[Michel Meilleur]

Honestly idc if you’re part of the LGBT+ community. I’m a Christian, and I’m not gonna be gay or something like that, but if you don’t follow my, you can do whatever your religion wants you to do or if you don’t follow a religion, do anything you want as long as it isn’t murder or anything against the secular law. However, if you follow a religion and do something against it, you’re messed up.

Yikes. Few things:

1. Being trans and being gay are two entirely different things. You can be one, the other, both, or neither.

2. I am also a Christian, and neither homosexuality nor transgenderism are prohibited in Christianity.

3. "Judge not, lest ye be judged." From your own fucking holy book. Read it some time.

2. That's... A bit of a deliberate fumbling of concepts here. Being homosexual or trans is not prohibited. Acting on either, very much is and both tradition and the scriptures are clear on that.
Epistle to the Corinthians 6:9-10 :

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Deuteronome 22:5 :

A woman must not put on men’s clothing, and a man must not wear women’s clothing. Anyone who does this is detestable in the sight of the LORD your God.

3. "Judge not" doesn't take precedence over "Love your neighbor" and there is very little love in letting one's brother or sister stumble and fall into sin when you could lend them a hand and help them back.
"Judge not" doesn't mean "ignore" nor "avoid", and, again, both the scriptures and tradition encourage us to correct each other when we're sinning rather than just "accept it as normal". Whether it is by praying for each others, advising or even rebuking if need be, each Christian has an interest in helping his fellow (whether pagan or Christian) to find salvation.

[Lady Victory]

Yikes. Few things:

1. Being trans and being gay are two entirely different things. You can be one, the other, both, or neither.

2. I am also a Christian, and neither homosexuality nor transgenderism are prohibited in Christianity.

3. "Judge not, lest ye be judged." From your own fucking holy book. Read it some time.

2. That's... A bit of a deliberate fumbling of concepts here. Being homosexual or trans is not prohibited. Acting on either, very much is and both tradition and the scriptures are clear on that.
Epistle to the Corinthians 6:9-10 :

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Deuteronome 22:5 :

A woman must not put on men’s clothing, and a man must not wear women’s clothing. Anyone who does this is detestable in the sight of the LORD your God.

3. "Judge not" doesn't take precedence over "Love your neighbor" and there is very little love in letting one's brother or sister stumble and fall into sin when you could lend them a hand and help them back.
"Judge not" doesn't mean "ignore" nor "avoid", and, again, both the scriptures and tradition encourage us to correct each other when we're sinning rather than just "accept it as normal". Whether it is by praying for each others, advising or even rebuking if need be, each Christian has an interest in helping his fellow (whether pagan or Christian) to find salvation.

Scripture is open to interpretation, and both of those quotes are being taken out of context. But this isn't the place for a Christian theology debate. If you want to discuss this further we can do it in the CDT.

[Vassenor]

Well, if my confidence holds I'm delivering the letter about home social transition tomorrow.

Big if. ><

[Ifreann]

Well, if my confidence holds I'm delivering the letter about home social transition tomorrow.

Big if. ><

Picture the letter in its underwear *nods*

[Jykku]

Honestly idc if you’re part of the LGBT+ community. I’m a Christian, and I’m not gonna be gay or something like that

Sexual orientation is separate from gender expression, if you weren't already aware.
Sexual orientation is also separate from religious affiliation, so your boners don't care if you've given yourself over to "God" or not.

[Vassenor]

OK, dropped the letter off as I left for the day.

Does mean I have six hours to stew about how bad the response could be.

[Vassenor]

OK. I know the letter has been read. But we've not had any sort of talk about it.

[Alcala-Cordel]

OK, dropped the letter off as I left for the day.

Does mean I have six hours to stew about how bad the response could be.

Good luck, and congratulations! Hopefully everything goes well for you!

[Kowani]

hobby lobby continues to be horrible

An 11-year fight to keep a trans woman from using a work bathroom came to an end in recent weeks. The court ultimately upheld a lower court ruling that Hobby Lobby must allow a woman who is transgender use the women's restroom.

The Illinois’ 2nd District Appellate Court could have far-reaching implications nationally. Lawsuits against bathroom bans are becoming the frontline for the fight for trans rights.

For Meggan Sommerville, being transgender and hiding her true self had become about life and death. “I was kicked out of the house. I was homeless,” she said. “And when I was homeless, it really did come down one night to transition or die.”

But the day after she legally changed her name, Hobby Lobby--a company she worked at for more than 12 years--denied her access to the craft store’s women’s restroom.

“I didn't know what to do. I seriously just did not know what to do,” said Sommerville. implications for transgender rights


Meggan Sommerville
By: Ash-har QuraishiPosted at 1:19 PM, Sep 09, 2021 and last updated 11:19 AM, Sep 09, 2021
CHICAGO — An 11-year fight to keep a trans woman from using a work bathroom came to an end in recent weeks. The court ultimately upheld a lower court ruling that Hobby Lobby must allow a woman who is transgender use the women's restroom.

The Illinois’ 2nd District Appellate Court could have far-reaching implications nationally. Lawsuits against bathroom bans are becoming the frontline for the fight for trans rights.

For Meggan Sommerville, being transgender and hiding her true self had become about life and death.

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“I was kicked out of the house. I was homeless,” she said. “And when I was homeless, it really did come down one night to transition or die.”

But the day after she legally changed her name, Hobby Lobby--a company she worked at for more than 12 years--denied her access to the craft store’s women’s restroom.

“I didn't know what to do. I seriously just did not know what to do,” said Sommerville.


She filed a lawsuit after being written up several times for using the women’s bathroom.

After a decade-long legal battle, last month, Illinois’ 2nd District Appellate Court--comprised of a panel of three conservative judges--upheld a lower court decision that ruled Hobby Lobby violated state law in that denial.

“It's really one of the first cases in the country to address transgender rights in the way that the court did,” said attorney Jacob Meister, who represented Sommerville in the case.

The Illinois decision he contends has major implications, because it’s the first time discrimination has been recognized as part of gender identity separately from sex discrimination.

“It's really the first court in the country to have decided so decisively this issue. It's an issue that's been skirted by the U.S. Supreme Court,” said Meister.

While a 2020 Supreme Court ruling did establish that discrimination based on sex includes sexual orientation and gender identity, it did not tackle whether that included access to sex-segregated facilities.

Kara Ingelhart a staff attorney with Lambda Legal says the Sommerville ruling in state court does establish that.

“It affirms that decision and goes a step further to show that not only can she not be discriminated against on the basis of being hired or being retained in her position, but also for access to all the sex-specific spaces at work,” said Ingelhart.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Trans woman doctor Larin Kayataş was banned from the profession on the grounds of 'public morality'. Turkey, one of the European countries, has a mindset that is completely governed by the Middle East mindset. Being trans doesn't kill, but being transphobic does !! Trans Rights are human rights! We don't want transphobics among us, leave Turkey !

https://www.sozcu.com.tr/2021/gundem/doktor-larin-kayatas-meslekten-genel-ahlak-gerekcesiyle-men-edildi-6648495/

[The Serbian Empire]

hobby lobby continues to be horrible

An 11-year fight to keep a trans woman from using a work bathroom came to an end in recent weeks. The court ultimately upheld a lower court ruling that Hobby Lobby must allow a woman who is transgender use the women's restroom.

The Illinois’ 2nd District Appellate Court could have far-reaching implications nationally. Lawsuits against bathroom bans are becoming the frontline for the fight for trans rights.

For Meggan Sommerville, being transgender and hiding her true self had become about life and death. “I was kicked out of the house. I was homeless,” she said. “And when I was homeless, it really did come down one night to transition or die.”

But the day after she legally changed her name, Hobby Lobby--a company she worked at for more than 12 years--denied her access to the craft store’s women’s restroom.

“I didn't know what to do. I seriously just did not know what to do,” said Sommerville. implications for transgender rights


Meggan Sommerville
By: Ash-har QuraishiPosted at 1:19 PM, Sep 09, 2021 and last updated 11:19 AM, Sep 09, 2021
CHICAGO — An 11-year fight to keep a trans woman from using a work bathroom came to an end in recent weeks. The court ultimately upheld a lower court ruling that Hobby Lobby must allow a woman who is transgender use the women's restroom.

The Illinois’ 2nd District Appellate Court could have far-reaching implications nationally. Lawsuits against bathroom bans are becoming the frontline for the fight for trans rights.

For Meggan Sommerville, being transgender and hiding her true self had become about life and death.

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“I was kicked out of the house. I was homeless,” she said. “And when I was homeless, it really did come down one night to transition or die.”

But the day after she legally changed her name, Hobby Lobby--a company she worked at for more than 12 years--denied her access to the craft store’s women’s restroom.

“I didn't know what to do. I seriously just did not know what to do,” said Sommerville.


She filed a lawsuit after being written up several times for using the women’s bathroom.

After a decade-long legal battle, last month, Illinois’ 2nd District Appellate Court--comprised of a panel of three conservative judges--upheld a lower court decision that ruled Hobby Lobby violated state law in that denial.

“It's really one of the first cases in the country to address transgender rights in the way that the court did,” said attorney Jacob Meister, who represented Sommerville in the case.

The Illinois decision he contends has major implications, because it’s the first time discrimination has been recognized as part of gender identity separately from sex discrimination.

“It's really the first court in the country to have decided so decisively this issue. It's an issue that's been skirted by the U.S. Supreme Court,” said Meister.

While a 2020 Supreme Court ruling did establish that discrimination based on sex includes sexual orientation and gender identity, it did not tackle whether that included access to sex-segregated facilities.

Kara Ingelhart a staff attorney with Lambda Legal says the Sommerville ruling in state court does establish that.

“It affirms that decision and goes a step further to show that not only can she not be discriminated against on the basis of being hired or being retained in her position, but also for access to all the sex-specific spaces at work,” said Ingelhart.

Hobby Lobby also refused to cover birth control for a long time until ruled otherwise.

[Kowani]

Bell v. Travistock overturned on appeal, ending a ruling that said that transgender kids under 16 couldn't consent to puberty blockers

[Grenartia]

Bell v. Travistock overturned on appeal, ending a ruling that said that transgender kids under 16 couldn't consent to puberty blockers

Based.

Also, anyone else find it ironic how much the TERFs praised that ruling even though it directly harmed women's rights?

Also: a good resource that should be added to the OP: https://genderdysphoria.fyi/

[The New California Republic]

Bell v. Travistock overturned on appeal, ending a ruling that said that transgender kids under 16 couldn't consent to puberty blockers

Under-16s can take puberty blockers without parental consent, the Court of Appeal has ruled.

The appeal was brought by the Tavistock Trust, which runs the UK's only youth gender identity clinic. The decision reverses a 2020 ruling that under-16s lacked capacity to give informed consent to the treatment, which delays the onset of puberty.

The original case was brought by Keira Bell, who says the clinic should have challenged her more over transitioning. She said she was disappointed by the decision, and will seek permission to appeal to the Supreme Court.

Court of Appeal judges said they recognised "the difficulties and complexities" of the issue, but that "it is for the clinicians to exercise their judgement knowing how important it is that consent is properly obtained according to the particular individual circumstances". Puberty blockers are drugs used to "pause" puberty by suppressing the release of hormones. They are prescribed to some children who are experiencing gender dysphoria, which the NHS describes as "a sense of unease that a person may have because of a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity".

The Tavistock clinic said it welcomed the decision.

"The judgement upholds established legal principles which respect the ability of our clinicians to engage actively and thoughtfully with our patients in decisions about their care and futures," a spokesperson said.

"It affirms that it is for doctors, not judges, to decide on the capacity of under-16s to consent to medical treatment."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58598186

[Dumb Ideologies]

The previous ruling was always rather strange, since the harm from a few confused people who ended up being cis taking blockers for a few years is so obviously less than demanding transgender kids go through puberty.

If it were about giving cross-sex hormones there would be much more complex balancing exercise, but with blockers this should have been Really Fucking Obvious.

[Izandai]

Bell v. Travistock overturned on appeal, ending a ruling that said that transgender kids under 16 couldn't consent to puberty blockers

Based.

Also, anyone else find it ironic how much the TERFs praised that ruling even though it directly harmed women's rights?

Also: a good resource that should be added to the OP: https://genderdysphoria.fyi/

Not really. TERFs don't care about women, they care about a highly selective definition of "womanhood".

[Auzkhia]

Based.

Also, anyone else find it ironic how much the TERFs praised that ruling even though it directly harmed women's rights?

Also: a good resource that should be added to the OP: https://genderdysphoria.fyi/

Not really. TERFs don't care about women, they care about a highly selective definition of "womanhood".

Misogyny but make it feminist seems to be their schtick (and also transphobia duh, racism, homophobia, antisemitism, and antivax)

Bell v. Travistock overturned on appeal, ending a ruling that said that transgender kids under 16 couldn't consent to puberty blockers

Finally some good news.

[The New California Republic]

The previous ruling was always rather strange, since the harm from a few confused people who ended up being cis taking blockers for a few years is so obviously less than demanding transgender kids go through puberty.

If it were about giving cross-sex hormones there would be much more complex balancing exercise, but with blockers this should have been Really Fucking Obvious.

The number of people that do "de-transition" is also staggeringly low. Depending on what studies you look at, it is less than 1%. Even those studies with higher results are still in the very low single figures.

[Philjia]

The previous ruling was always rather strange, since the harm from a few confused people who ended up being cis taking blockers for a few years is so obviously less than demanding transgender kids go through puberty.

Also the idea that children could consent to treatment which they understood was firmly established as a precedent in the House of Lords' ruling on Gillick v West Norfolk and Wisbech Area Health Authority, the High Court decision last year went against that based on some really faulty logic, so now the Court of Appeal's come in and ruled that the High Court was completely wrong and actually the case should have been thrown out basically immediately.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Bell v. Travistock overturned on appeal, ending a ruling that said that transgender kids under 16 couldn't consent to puberty blockers

Based.

Also, anyone else find it ironic how much the TERFs praised that ruling even though it directly harmed women's rights?

Also: a good resource that should be added to the OP: https://genderdysphoria.fyi/

TERFs do like to stick it to the trans women... even when the shit affects us all ladies directly in the end.

[Ster Lovinia]

Trans woman doctor Larin Kayataş was banned from the profession on the grounds of 'public morality'. Turkey, one of the European countries, has a mindset that is completely governed by the Middle East mindset. Being trans doesn't kill, but being transphobic does !! Trans Rights are human rights! We don't want transphobics among us, leave Turkey !

https://www.sozcu.com.tr/2021/gundem/doktor-larin-kayatas-meslekten-genel-ahlak-gerekcesiyle-men-edildi-6648495/

dont say it dont think it dont say it dont think it i cant say it

[Necroghastia]

Trans woman doctor Larin Kayataş was banned from the profession on the grounds of 'public morality'. Turkey, one of the European countries, has a mindset that is completely governed by the Middle East mindset. Being trans doesn't kill, but being transphobic does !! Trans Rights are human rights! We don't want transphobics among us, leave Turkey !

https://www.sozcu.com.tr/2021/gundem/doktor-larin-kayatas-meslekten-genel-ahlak-gerekcesiyle-men-edildi-6648495/

dont say it dont think it dont say it dont think it i cant say it

hard to say anything on a text based medium

[Lady Victory]

dont say it dont think it dont say it dont think it i cant say it

hard to say anything on a text based medium

Boooo, hissss.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Trans woman doctor Larin Kayataş was banned from the profession on the grounds of 'public morality'. Turkey, one of the European countries, has a mindset that is completely governed by the Middle East mindset. Being trans doesn't kill, but being transphobic does !! Trans Rights are human rights! We don't want transphobics among us, leave Turkey !

https://www.sozcu.com.tr/2021/gundem/doktor-larin-kayatas-meslekten-genel-ahlak-gerekcesiyle-men-edildi-6648495/

When the impostor is transphobic

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I don't get the sus jokes in this page.