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Postby Michel Meilleur » Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:54 am

Punished UMN wrote:Her own father was publicly a holocaust denier so it's not that hard to trace back.

Tbh, what you're saying is quite accurate to what it was 20 years ago. Not really to what it is today, tho. It used to be fascistic but it's "just ultra-nat" nowadays, and Marine is doing her best to make it as "mainstream" as she can.
That's why daddy got purged from the party and miss the daughter of a Lebanese Christian Militiaman is heading the same way if she continues acting like our version of Lauren Southern.

Al Jazeera is one of the most well-respected journalistic outlets in the entire world, you might as well say that the BBC is British state media. Moreover, they have it on fucking film, you can watch the MEP say it on video, in full 1080p HD.


I mean, I like R.T. news and I24news and both are good channels, but I'm not trusting either when they're talking about the situation in Ukraine or in Gaza respectively, tho. I'd be interested in the vid, tho, do you have any link?

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Postby Punished UMN » Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:56 am

Michel Meilleur wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:Her own father was publicly a holocaust denier so it's not that hard to trace back.

Tbh, what you're saying is quite accurate to what it was 20 years ago. Not really to what it is today, tho. It used to be fascistic but it's "just ultra-nat" nowadays, and Marine is doing her best to make it as "mainstream" as she can.
That's why daddy got purged from the party and miss the daughter of a Lebanese Christian Militiaman is heading the same way if she continues acting like our version of Lauren Southern.

Al Jazeera is one of the most well-respected journalistic outlets in the entire world, you might as well say that the BBC is British state media. Moreover, they have it on fucking film, you can watch the MEP say it on video, in full 1080p HD.


I mean, I like R.T. news and I24news and both are good channels, but I'm not trusting either when they're talking about the situation in Ukraine or in Gaza respectively, tho. I'd be interested in the vid, tho, do you have any link?

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Postby Michel Meilleur » Thu Sep 02, 2021 10:08 am


Imma gonna be honest my dude, I'm not going to listen to 50 mins of a British guy commenting over badly translated subs. I was asking for the interview where someone (because I have no fucking idea what MEP is supposed to mean) admits to what you mentioned, not the full documentary.

Still, I browsed it, but it seems to be mostly focused on identitaires (who're our European far-right paramilitary youths) and similar proudly fascist groupuscules have some of their leaders be supporters of the R.N. and that it thus means that they're one and the same.
But, tbh, it makes about as much sense as saying that because the "proud boys" 's organizers support the G.O.P. then the Republican party is Fascist.

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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Thu Sep 02, 2021 10:18 am

I am a little surprised trans rights are still an issue to people.
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Postby Punished UMN » Thu Sep 02, 2021 10:19 am

Michel Meilleur wrote:

Imma gonna be honest my dude, I'm not going to listen to 50 mins of a British guy commenting over badly translated subs. I was asking for the interview where someone (because I have no fucking idea what MEP is supposed to mean) admits to what you mentioned, not the full documentary.

Still, I browsed it, but it seems to be mostly focused on identitaires (who're our European far-right paramilitary youths) and similar proudly fascist groupuscules have some of their leaders be supporters of the R.N. and that it thus means that they're one and the same.
But, tbh, it makes about as much sense as saying that because the "proud boys" 's organizers support the G.O.P. then the Republican party is Fascist.

The report discusses that the two groups' leaderships are linked.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:58 pm

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Postby Lady Victory » Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:42 pm

Sorry, I must've waltzed into the French Politics Thread by mistake. I could've sworn this was the Transgender Discussion Thread.
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:37 pm

Michel Meilleur wrote:But, tbh, it makes about as much sense as saying that because the "proud boys" 's organizers support the G.O.P. then the Republican party is Fascist.


I mean, at this point, a large subsection of the GOP is fascist.
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:50 pm

Suriyanakhon wrote:
Michel Meilleur wrote:But, tbh, it makes about as much sense as saying that because the "proud boys" 's organizers support the G.O.P. then the Republican party is Fascist.


I mean, at this point, a large subsection of the GOP is fascist.

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Postby Conservative Republic Of Huang » Thu Sep 02, 2021 5:18 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:
I mean, at this point, a large subsection of the GOP is fascist.

All politicians are inherently fascist because they participate in the state's monopoly on violence.

And this is exactly what they mean when they talk about the overuse of "fascist" on the left. Non-anarchist does not equal fascist by a long stretch, and we shouldn't dilute the word so it loses meaning when properly applied.
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Postby The Imperium Empires » Thu Sep 02, 2021 5:21 pm

Fascism as a word has lost all meaning, the left if it has one major flaw is it some how fails to understand fascism, in that it uses it as a trigger word to end an argument by accusations. It’s like the boy who cried wolf, throw it around enough and when real fascists show their ugly heads people might just not listen.
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Postby Lady Victory » Thu Sep 02, 2021 5:41 pm

Transgender. Discussion. Thread.

It's right there in the name, people.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Sep 02, 2021 5:54 pm

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Postby Auzkhia » Thu Sep 02, 2021 5:56 pm

Lady Victory wrote:Transgender. Discussion. Thread.

It's right there in the name, people.

So, we need to transition to our target topic then?

Like commentary how reactionary a country is led to a discussion of the word fascism rather than ideology itself.

Texas has been awful with legislation recently but hopefully this gets dropped at least.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Sep 02, 2021 7:59 pm



Texas has been sucking so much of late.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:01 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:


Texas has been sucking so much of late.

Texas has been like this for at least 20 years now, they're just on a roll lately.
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Postby Riviere Renard » Fri Sep 03, 2021 12:33 am

For those unaware, Canada is having an election on the 20th. I was looking into the NDP (New Democratic Party)'s platform and was pleasantly surprised.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:49 am

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Texas has been sucking so much of late.

Texas has been like this for at least 20 years now, they're just on a roll lately.


And being contagious. Little brother FL is taking notes.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:17 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Texas has been sucking so much of late.

Texas has been like this for at least 20 years now, they're just on a roll lately.

More like always been socially conservative. The state had two wars to preserve slavery and might only be purple in the future due to people from elsewhere.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:18 pm

And there it is

Attorneys general from 20 states sued President Joe Biden's administration Monday seeking to halt directives that extend federal sex discrimination protections to LGBTQ people, ranging from transgender girls participating in school sports to the use of school and workplace bathrooms that align with a person's gender identity. Tennessee Attorney General Herbert Slatery filed the lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Knoxville, arguing that legal interpretations by the U.S. Department of Education and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission are based on a faulty view of U.S. Supreme Court case law.

The Supreme Court ruled in June 2020 that a landmark civil rights law, under a provision called Title VII, protects gay, lesbian and transgender people from discrimination in employment.

This June, the Department of Education said discrimination based on a student’s sexual orientation or gender identity will be treated as a violation of Title IX, the 1972 federal law that protects against sex discrimination in education. A legal analysis by the department concluded there is “no persuasive or well-founded basis” to treat education differently than employment.

Also in June, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission released guidance about what could constitute discrimination against LGBTQ people and advised the public about how to file a complaint.

With its guidance, the Biden administration in part took a stand against laws and proposals in a growing number of states that aim to forbid transgender girls from participating on female sports teams. The state attorneys general contend that the authority over such policies “properly belongs to Congress, the States, and the people.”

“The guidance purports to resolve highly controversial and localized issues such as whether employers and schools may maintain sex-separated showers and locker rooms, whether schools must allow biological males to compete on female athletic teams, and whether individuals may be compelled to use another person’s preferred pronouns,” the lawsuit states. “But the agencies have no authority to resolve those sensitive questions, let alone to do so by executive fiat without providing any opportunity for public participation.”

Joining Tennessee in the lawsuit are Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota and West Virginia.

The lawsuit asks a judge for a number of declarations about Title IX in schools and Title VII in the workplace: that they don't prohibit schools and employers from having showers, locker rooms, bathrooms and other living facilities separated by “biological sex”; that they do not require employers, school employees or students to use a transgender person's preferred pronouns; that they do not prohibit having school sports teams separated by “biological sex"; and that they do not prohibit workplace dress codes based on “biological sex.”

The education policy carries the possibility of federal sanctions against schools and colleges that fail to protect gay and transgender students.

The Department of Justice on Monday did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the lawsuit.

The education directive reversed President Donald Trump-era policies that removed civil rights protections for transgender students. In 2017, the Trump administration lifted President Barack Obama-era guidance allowing transgender students to use bathrooms and locker rooms that match their gender identities.

At the time, then-Education Secretary Betsy DeVos said the issue was “best solved at the state and local level” and the earlier guidance led to a spike in lawsuits seeking clarification.

The new action does not reinstate the Obama-era policy but instead clarifies that the Education Department’s Office for Civil Rights will investigate complaints of discrimination involving gay or transgender students. If the department finds evidence of discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity, it will pursue a resolution to “address the specific compliance concerns or violations.”

The federal agencies noted that the workplace and education guidance documents do not carry the force of law. The state attorneys general argued they are at risk of the federal government enforcing the guidance, threatening their states' sovereign authority, causing significant liability and putting their federal education funding at risk.
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Postby The Kingdom of the Three Isles » Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:43 pm

Honestly idc if you’re part of the LGBT+ community. I’m a Christian, and I’m not gonna be gay or something like that, but if you don’t follow my, you can do whatever your religion wants you to do or if you don’t follow a religion, do anything you want as long as it isn’t murder or anything against the secular law. However, if you follow a religion and do something against it, you’re messed up. :)
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:57 am

The Kingdom Of The Three Isles wrote:Honestly idc if you’re part of the LGBT+ community. I’m a Christian, and I’m not gonna be gay or something like that [...]

...you talk here as if it's a choice. "Hmm, shall I wear the shirt or the t-shirt today? Shall I be gay today or straight? Think I'll wear the shirt, and also be gay today..." :eyebrow:
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Sep 07, 2021 4:07 am

The New California Republic wrote:
The Kingdom Of The Three Isles wrote:Honestly idc if you’re part of the LGBT+ community. I’m a Christian, and I’m not gonna be gay or something like that [...]

...you talk here as if it's a choice. "Hmm, shall I wear the shirt or the t-shirt today? Shall I be gay today or straight? Think I'll wear the shirt, and also be gay today..." :eyebrow:


Ah, those were the days...

I fondly remember the day I was gay.

But then a lovely woman reminded me that I am really not.

It was a good day :blush:
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Postby Lady Victory » Tue Sep 07, 2021 4:50 am

The Kingdom Of The Three Isles wrote:Honestly idc if you’re part of the LGBT+ community. I’m a Christian, and I’m not gonna be gay or something like that, but if you don’t follow my, you can do whatever your religion wants you to do or if you don’t follow a religion, do anything you want as long as it isn’t murder or anything against the secular law. However, if you follow a religion and do something against it, you’re messed up. :)


Yikes. Few things:

1. Being trans and being gay are two entirely different things. You can be one, the other, both, or neither.

2. I am also a Christian, and neither homosexuality nor transgenderism are prohibited in Christianity.

3. "Judge not, lest ye be judged." From your own fucking holy book. Read it some time.
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Postby Auzkhia » Tue Sep 07, 2021 8:51 am

The Kingdom Of The Three Isles wrote:Honestly idc if you’re part of the LGBT+ community. I’m a Christian, and I’m not gonna be gay or something like that, but if you don’t follow my, you can do whatever your religion wants you to do or if you don’t follow a religion, do anything you want as long as it isn’t murder or anything against the secular law. However, if you follow a religion and do something against it, you’re messed up. :)

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