Trans Discussion Thread: Catgirls Don't Need Litterboxes

[North Washington Republic]

Imagine being left in the hallway during a school shooter drill because the teachers couldn't decide which bathroom to put you in

LGBTQ advocacy group Equality SCPS said a transgender middle school student was forced to sit away from her peers during a mass shooter drill because administrators couldn’t decide whether she should take shelter with the boys or the girls.
During the drill at Stafford County Middle School in Virginia, students were apparently instructed to take shelter in the closest bathroom or locker room, according to Metro Weekly. The student, whose name is being withheld, was allegedly forced to sit by herself on the bleachers and then in the hallway as teachers debated where she should take shelter.

“One student was prevented from entering either the boys or girls locker room while the teachers discussed where she should go. The student was forced to watch the adults charged with her care, debate the safest place (for the other students) to have her shelter,” Equality SCPS wrote in a Facebook post. “During this debate, she was instructed to sit in the gym with a teacher until the drill was complete, away from her peers and identified as different. After some additional debate, she was made to sit in the locker room hall way [sic], by the door away from her peers. This happened because the child, in addition to being a model student, also happens to be transgender.”
[...]“Stafford County Public Schools does not comment on individual student incidents to avoid divulging confidential information,” Stafford County Public Schools said in a statement to Teen Vogue. “However, the new superintendent has requested a review of all protocols and procedures including safety to ensure that all children are treated with dignity and respect. We take such matters very seriously and they will be addressed. The welfare of all students is of the utmost importance for SCPS.”

Virginia has the votes in the legislature and a supportive Governor to write and pass a LGBTQ student Bill of rights. This type of crap shouldn’t happen and people’s transphobia is putting trans students lives at risk.

[Grenartia]

Imagine being left in the hallway during a school shooter drill because the teachers couldn't decide which bathroom to put you in

LGBTQ advocacy group Equality SCPS said a transgender middle school student was forced to sit away from her peers during a mass shooter drill because administrators couldn’t decide whether she should take shelter with the boys or the girls.
During the drill at Stafford County Middle School in Virginia, students were apparently instructed to take shelter in the closest bathroom or locker room, according to Metro Weekly. The student, whose name is being withheld, was allegedly forced to sit by herself on the bleachers and then in the hallway as teachers debated where she should take shelter.

“One student was prevented from entering either the boys or girls locker room while the teachers discussed where she should go. The student was forced to watch the adults charged with her care, debate the safest place (for the other students) to have her shelter,” Equality SCPS wrote in a Facebook post. “During this debate, she was instructed to sit in the gym with a teacher until the drill was complete, away from her peers and identified as different. After some additional debate, she was made to sit in the locker room hall way [sic], by the door away from her peers. This happened because the child, in addition to being a model student, also happens to be transgender.”
[...]“Stafford County Public Schools does not comment on individual student incidents to avoid divulging confidential information,” Stafford County Public Schools said in a statement to Teen Vogue. “However, the new superintendent has requested a review of all protocols and procedures including safety to ensure that all children are treated with dignity and respect. We take such matters very seriously and they will be addressed. The welfare of all students is of the utmost importance for SCPS.”

Virginia has the votes in the legislature and a supportive Governor to write and pass a LGBTQ student Bill of rights. This type of crap shouldn’t happen and people’s transphobia is putting trans students lives at risk.

Obviously, we're bigger dangers to teenage girls than school shooters.

[The Blaatschapen]

Imagine being left in the hallway during a school shooter drill because the teachers couldn't decide which bathroom to put you in

LGBTQ advocacy group Equality SCPS said a transgender middle school student was forced to sit away from her peers during a mass shooter drill because administrators couldn’t decide whether she should take shelter with the boys or the girls.
During the drill at Stafford County Middle School in Virginia, students were apparently instructed to take shelter in the closest bathroom or locker room, according to Metro Weekly. The student, whose name is being withheld, was allegedly forced to sit by herself on the bleachers and then in the hallway as teachers debated where she should take shelter.

“One student was prevented from entering either the boys or girls locker room while the teachers discussed where she should go. The student was forced to watch the adults charged with her care, debate the safest place (for the other students) to have her shelter,” Equality SCPS wrote in a Facebook post. “During this debate, she was instructed to sit in the gym with a teacher until the drill was complete, away from her peers and identified as different. After some additional debate, she was made to sit in the locker room hall way [sic], by the door away from her peers. This happened because the child, in addition to being a model student, also happens to be transgender.”
[...]“Stafford County Public Schools does not comment on individual student incidents to avoid divulging confidential information,” Stafford County Public Schools said in a statement to Teen Vogue. “However, the new superintendent has requested a review of all protocols and procedures including safety to ensure that all children are treated with dignity and respect. We take such matters very seriously and they will be addressed. The welfare of all students is of the utmost importance for SCPS.”

This is peak America.

Picking the worst possible timing to discuss where someone should hide when their life is in danger. (well, it's a drill, but still, it highlights the issue)

And of course, the whole concept of shooter drills in the first place.

[Zul-ar]

Imagine being left in the hallway during a school shooter drill because the teachers couldn't decide which bathroom to put you in

LGBTQ advocacy group Equality SCPS said a transgender middle school student was forced to sit away from her peers during a mass shooter drill because administrators couldn’t decide whether she should take shelter with the boys or the girls.
During the drill at Stafford County Middle School in Virginia, students were apparently instructed to take shelter in the closest bathroom or locker room, according to Metro Weekly. The student, whose name is being withheld, was allegedly forced to sit by herself on the bleachers and then in the hallway as teachers debated where she should take shelter.

“One student was prevented from entering either the boys or girls locker room while the teachers discussed where she should go. The student was forced to watch the adults charged with her care, debate the safest place (for the other students) to have her shelter,” Equality SCPS wrote in a Facebook post. “During this debate, she was instructed to sit in the gym with a teacher until the drill was complete, away from her peers and identified as different. After some additional debate, she was made to sit in the locker room hall way [sic], by the door away from her peers. This happened because the child, in addition to being a model student, also happens to be transgender.”
[...]“Stafford County Public Schools does not comment on individual student incidents to avoid divulging confidential information,” Stafford County Public Schools said in a statement to Teen Vogue. “However, the new superintendent has requested a review of all protocols and procedures including safety to ensure that all children are treated with dignity and respect. We take such matters very seriously and they will be addressed. The welfare of all students is of the utmost importance for SCPS.”

This is peak America.

Picking the worst possible timing to discuss where someone should hide when their life is in danger. (well, it's a drill, but still, it highlights the issue)

And of course, the whole concept of shooter drills in the first place.

"There's a shooter! Can't take the trans kid, they might be a danger to the other students!" -some idiot, probably.

[Grenartia]

This is peak America.

Picking the worst possible timing to discuss where someone should hide when their life is in danger. (well, it's a drill, but still, it highlights the issue)

And of course, the whole concept of shooter drills in the first place.

"There's a shooter! Can't take the trans kid, they might be a danger to the other students!" -some idiot, probably.

I want to know if there's anyone on the planet who could even attempt to unironically defend that.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

"There's a shooter! Can't take the trans kid, they might be a danger to the other students!" -some idiot, probably.

I want to know if there's anyone on the planet who could even attempt to unironically defend that.

Nazis.

[National Capitalist United States]

"There's a shooter! Can't take the trans kid, they might be a danger to the other students!" -some idiot, probably.

I want to know if there's anyone on the planet who could even attempt to unironically defend that.

There's probably someone out that thinks that trans kids wants to brainwash everyone else in to joining the "alphabet people"

[The Blaatschapen]

I want to know if there's anyone on the planet who could even attempt to unironically defend that.

There's probably someone out that thinks that trans kids wants to brainwash everyone else in to joining the "alphabet people"

They want us to join google?

[Grenartia]

I want to know if there's anyone on the planet who could even attempt to unironically defend that.

Nazis.

True. Anyone who isn't an overt Nazi, though?

[Necroghastia]

Virginia has the votes in the legislature and a supportive Governor to write and pass a LGBTQ student Bill of rights. This type of crap shouldn’t happen and people’s transphobia is putting trans students lives at risk.

Obviously, we're bigger dangers to teenage girls than school shooters.

That, or we're the bait.

[Kowani]

South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem (R) will not sign a bill banning transgender athletes-at least in its current form
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Oh, it only got worse-she's creating 'Defend Title IX Now' coalition to fight for 'fairness in women's sports nationwide'

South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem on Monday urged fellow governors, high-profile athletes and everyday citizens nationwide to join an initiative seeking to bar transgender girls and women from participating in female sports.Noem, a Republican, announced her "Defend Title IX Now" effort three days after coming under fire from both sides of the political aisle for rejecting a bill that would ban students designated as male at birth from women's and girls' sports.

The governor, who disappointed conservatives in her party by not signing the bill into law, said she agreed with its sentiment but feared it would not withstand legal challenge. She returned it to the legislature to narrow its scope to non-collegiate sports, among other refinements.

Transgender advocates criticized Noem for keeping alive legislation they deem unnecessary, unconstitutional and based on outdated stereotypes, as only a handful of transgender athletes have achieved high levels of success in sports.

Noem is seeking to gain enough pledges of support to stand up to the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA), which previously supported transgender rights by boycotting North Carolina for restricting transgender bathroom access. The NCAA also allows transgender athletes to compete, provided they comply with rules on hormone usage. Noem invoked Title IX, the landmark 1972 U.S. law that bans sex discrimination in education and was crucial to the rise of women's and girls' sports in public schools and universities.

"We're here today to talk about fairness in women's sports," said Noem, adding that an athlete's designated gender at the time of birth should be definitive.

[The Blaatschapen]

Normally I'd ask in the LGBT thread, but that one is kind of gone.

What does "queer" mean when someone identifies as one?

I know back in the old days, it meant "homosexual" (as a slur) , but that can't be it, at least I cannot infer that from the context in which the term is used.

[Zul-ar]

denoting or relating to a sexual or gender identity that does not correspond to established ideas of sexuality and gender, especially heterosexual norms.

[Socialist Tera]

Normally I'd ask in the LGBT thread, but that one is kind of gone.

What does "queer" mean when someone identifies as one?

I know back in the old days, it meant "homosexual" (as a slur) , but that can't be it, at least I cannot infer that from the context in which the term is used.

Queer from I don't understand fits under the scope of a person who doesn't confirm to gender norms or sexuality norms. It started as a slur and has been reclaimed.

[The New California Republic]

Normally I'd ask in the LGBT thread, but that one is kind of gone.

What does "queer" mean when someone identifies as one?

I know back in the old days, it meant "homosexual" (as a slur) , but that can't be it, at least I cannot infer that from the context in which the term is used.

It refers to non-normative sexual and gender identities. Some people are OK with calling themselves queer as a broad and somewhat vague thing, but others don't for various reasons. For example they still think it's derogatory, or think it's inaccurate, and prefer to be more specific and call themselves gay or bi instead, or MTF/FTM/intersex etc.

[The Blaatschapen]

Normally I'd ask in the LGBT thread, but that one is kind of gone.

What does "queer" mean when someone identifies as one?

I know back in the old days, it meant "homosexual" (as a slur) , but that can't be it, at least I cannot infer that from the context in which the term is used.

It refers to non-normative sexual and gender identities. Some people are OK with calling themselves queer as a broad and somewhat vague thing, but others don't for various reasons. For example they still think it's derogatory, or think it's inaccurate, and prefer to be more specific and call themselves gay or bi instead, or MTF/FTM/intersex etc.

Then that raises a question, what are normative sexual identities?

Maybe I've grown up in a too liberal place, because I don't see gays and lesbians as non-normative

[The New California Republic]

It refers to non-normative sexual and gender identities. Some people are OK with calling themselves queer as a broad and somewhat vague thing, but others don't for various reasons. For example they still think it's derogatory, or think it's inaccurate, and prefer to be more specific and call themselves gay or bi instead, or MTF/FTM/intersex etc.

Then that raises a question, what are normative sexual identities?

Maybe I've grown up in a too liberal place, because I don't see gays and lesbians as non-normative

I think you could possibly interpret it as simply meaning what most folk are, i.e. CisHet, rather than it making or implying a moral or ethical judgment about it.

[The Blaatschapen]

Then that raises a question, what are normative sexual identities?

Maybe I've grown up in a too liberal place, because I don't see gays and lesbians as non-normative

I think you could possibly interpret it as simply meaning what most folk are, i.e. CisHet, rather than it making or implying a moral or ethical judgment about it.

That sounds fair.

[Socialist Tera]

Honestly, this reminds me of how so many people get mad at being called cisgendered. "I'm normal not cis this isn't fair!".

[The New California Republic]

I think you could possibly interpret it as simply meaning what most folk are, i.e. CisHet, rather than it making or implying a moral or ethical judgment about it.

That sounds fair.

I think of it in terms of, for example, saying that "people in Europe having a cellphone is the norm", i.e. it is more common for people to have a cellphone than not, without it judging those in the more common or less common group. A lot of usage of the word "normative" is thought about in moral and ethical terms, and no doubt alot of people do think about it in those terms in relation to gender and sexuality, but I've always by default swayed towards a more neutral interpretation of it, i.e. just in terms of numbers.

[Auzkhia]

Normally I'd ask in the LGBT thread, but that one is kind of gone.

What does "queer" mean when someone identifies as one?

I know back in the old days, it meant "homosexual" (as a slur) , but that can't be it, at least I cannot infer that from the context in which the term is used.

It's a catch all for those not Cisgender and/or Heterosexual, like lgbtqia+, and typically it has denotations of radical and liberation themes.

[Crockerland]

Imagine being left in the hallway during a school shooter drill because the teachers couldn't decide which bathroom to put you in

LGBTQ advocacy group Equality SCPS said a transgender middle school student was forced to sit away from her peers during a mass shooter drill because administrators couldn’t decide whether she should take shelter with the boys or the girls.
During the drill at Stafford County Middle School in Virginia, students were apparently instructed to take shelter in the closest bathroom or locker room, according to Metro Weekly. The student, whose name is being withheld, was allegedly forced to sit by herself on the bleachers and then in the hallway as teachers debated where she should take shelter.

“One student was prevented from entering either the boys or girls locker room while the teachers discussed where she should go. The student was forced to watch the adults charged with her care, debate the safest place (for the other students) to have her shelter,” Equality SCPS wrote in a Facebook post. “During this debate, she was instructed to sit in the gym with a teacher until the drill was complete, away from her peers and identified as different. After some additional debate, she was made to sit in the locker room hall way [sic], by the door away from her peers. This happened because the child, in addition to being a model student, also happens to be transgender.”
[...]“Stafford County Public Schools does not comment on individual student incidents to avoid divulging confidential information,” Stafford County Public Schools said in a statement to Teen Vogue. “However, the new superintendent has requested a review of all protocols and procedures including safety to ensure that all children are treated with dignity and respect. We take such matters very seriously and they will be addressed. The welfare of all students is of the utmost importance for SCPS.”

Who would POSSIBLY suggest such an UNBELIEVABLY STUPID idea as gender segregation during an emergency drill?

[The Reformed American Republic]

Imagine being left in the hallway during a school shooter drill because the teachers couldn't decide which bathroom to put you in

LGBTQ advocacy group Equality SCPS said a transgender middle school student was forced to sit away from her peers during a mass shooter drill because administrators couldn’t decide whether she should take shelter with the boys or the girls.
During the drill at Stafford County Middle School in Virginia, students were apparently instructed to take shelter in the closest bathroom or locker room, according to Metro Weekly. The student, whose name is being withheld, was allegedly forced to sit by herself on the bleachers and then in the hallway as teachers debated where she should take shelter.

“One student was prevented from entering either the boys or girls locker room while the teachers discussed where she should go. The student was forced to watch the adults charged with her care, debate the safest place (for the other students) to have her shelter,” Equality SCPS wrote in a Facebook post. “During this debate, she was instructed to sit in the gym with a teacher until the drill was complete, away from her peers and identified as different. After some additional debate, she was made to sit in the locker room hall way [sic], by the door away from her peers. This happened because the child, in addition to being a model student, also happens to be transgender.”
[...]“Stafford County Public Schools does not comment on individual student incidents to avoid divulging confidential information,” Stafford County Public Schools said in a statement to Teen Vogue. “However, the new superintendent has requested a review of all protocols and procedures including safety to ensure that all children are treated with dignity and respect. We take such matters very seriously and they will be addressed. The welfare of all students is of the utmost importance for SCPS.”

Who would POSSIBLY suggest such an UNBELIEVABLY STUPID idea as gender segregation during an emergency drill?

Exactly. One should go to the nearest bathroom or nearest enclave of safety, not segregated due to arbitrary rules.

[Crockerland]

So the BBC decided that the only groups it needed to interview about the government's plans to outlaw conversion therapy were the Evangelical Alliance, which argues that banning people from torturing others into pretending they're Cishet is a violation of religious freedom, and the LGB Alliance, which is pretty much accepted to be a right-wing false flag attempt to use trans rights to split the LGBT community in general.

[thonking]

Trans group: We are going to create a group just for transgender people since we face different issues than the rest of the LGBTIA umbrella.
Woke Left: So progressive!

LGB group: We are going to create a group just for LGB people since we face different issues than the rest of the LGBTIA umbrella.
Woke Left: Why are you so full of hate?

[Socialist Tera]

So the BBC decided that the only groups it needed to interview about the government's plans to outlaw conversion therapy were the Evangelical Alliance, which argues that banning people from torturing others into pretending they're Cishet is a violation of religious freedom, and the LGB Alliance, which is pretty much accepted to be a right-wing false flag attempt to use trans rights to split the LGBT community in general.

[thonking]

Trans group: We are going to create a group just for transgender people since we face different issues than the rest of the LGBTIA umbrella.
Woke Left: So progressive!

LGB group: We are going to create a group just for LGB people since we face different issues than the rest of the LGBTIA umbrella.
Woke Left: Why are you so full of hate?

I have a few counterpoints
1) Historically, it's very difficult to seperate transgender people from the LGB group, they were the ones that were leading Stonewall and throwing stones for the rights of LGB people. From my personal experience, people who scream drop the T are usually the people who are either a) most into gender norms, b) have some sort of motives that is exclusive to transgender people or c) sees genitals as the primary way to gauge whether or not something is attractive.
2) There has been a lot of transphobia in the LGB movement where people have not seen transgender people as the gender they are and they have not given transgender people, the respect they deserve, misgendering and deadnaming them. It feels disengious to say that LGB dropping the T is the same as Transgender people wanting to air some of their own grievances which the LGB community ignored, there are a lot of archaic laws that affect transgender people that will not affect LGB people, you can say the same about archaic laws with LGB people but a lot of trans people fit inside the LGB community. When a group breaks away from the main group when they are a minority e.g. Black feminism in the 70s and transgender rights it's not to harm anyone it's to make sure they are heard and they can fight for their rights. When in the LGBT community, if the LGB wants to kick out the T, it's exclusive because the majority of the community is throwing out a key part of the movement which has helped them since the start. In the case of Australia and US where they have gay marriage it feels like: "Fuck you we have our gay marriage, now we don't need you." when it comes to transgender rights.