Trans Discussion Thread V: Catgirls Don't Need Litterboxes

[USS Monitor]

Yeah, it really is kind of nuts. The issue's been around for ages, but it used to be a very niche thing that most people didn't think about too much. Now all of a sudden people are making a huge thing about it because the GOP cultural grievance machine needs another axe to grind.

bingo

Of the 22 states that introduced legislation this year to ban healthcare for transgender youth, several introduced multiple bills with a range of harmful impacts. Prior to 2020, not a single state had introduced legislation to ban this medical care.

it's the latest front in the culture wars
it's very good among the base
does it play well outside of that
...well, not sure, but my money's on no

My money's on no too.

I feel like the progressive side of the culture wars has kind of jumped the shark, and I am not on board with the direction some people want to take it -- so you would think I'd be reachable if the GOP made an effort to expand their base -- but then I look at the way the GOP is running around screaming about conspiracy theories and I just think, "Nope, can't vote for that." And the trans panic is just one more thing that's turning me off. There are so many things we could be doing to make the country better, and what does the GOP do? They have a meltdown over some transgirl on a soccer team. It's a total waste of time.

Maybe if they offered a coherent alternative to the Dems' agenda I'd be a swing voter, but no... They are just having a mental breakdown over the existence of people that aren't cishet white Christians. It's very unappealing.

[Forsher]

it's the latest front in the culture wars
it's very good among the base
does it play well outside of that
...well, not sure, but my money's on no

Doesn't matter.

Even otherwise reasonable Americans scream bloody murder about "tyranny of the majority" whenever you suggest that maybe market discipline would make their politicians more responsive to the electorate. Net effect, Republicans are literally returning the US to a Jim Crow state, except now the basis of exclusion is Democrat.

[Ifreann]

All of this discourse over trans people in sports has me confused. In Canada, I have never heard it being discussed. I don't remember any politician saying it would be a good idea to ban trans people from school sports (although my knowledge of other province's politics in poor, and I wasn't paying much attention before 2015). Its not something politicians consider, except maybe those People's Party like fringes on the Conservative Party's right. But in the United States, it seems to be a big thing, if not front and centre. Trans rights in general aren't issues in Canada, which is both a good and bad thing. We aren't being pushed backwards by radicals, but we haven't made much progress either.

In this aspect, the discussion around trans people in the United States is very foreign to me, because people from the United States view trans people fundamentally different than Canadians do, and, as such, it makes me feel almost European, y'know?

Yeah, it really is kind of nuts. The issue's been around for ages, but it used to be a very niche thing that most people didn't think about too much. Now all of a sudden people are making a huge thing about it because the GOP cultural grievance machine needs another axe to grind.

I'd guess that there's also an element of this particular line working especially well in America because America seems to take student sports weirdly seriously.

[Auzkhia]

All of this discourse over trans people in sports has me confused. In Canada, I have never heard it being discussed. I don't remember any politician saying it would be a good idea to ban trans people from school sports (although my knowledge of other province's politics in poor, and I wasn't paying much attention before 2015). Its not something politicians consider, except maybe those People's Party like fringes on the Conservative Party's right. But in the United States, it seems to be a big thing, if not front and centre. Trans rights in general aren't issues in Canada, which is both a good and bad thing. We aren't being pushed backwards by radicals, but we haven't made much progress either.

In this aspect, the discussion around trans people in the United States is very foreign to me, because people from the United States view trans people fundamentally different than Canadians do, and, as such, it makes me feel almost European, y'know?

Yeah, it really is kind of nuts. The issue's been around for ages, but it used to be a very niche thing that most people didn't think about too much. Now all of a sudden people are making a huge thing about it because the GOP cultural grievance machine needs another axe to grind.

Like, the olympics has allowed trans athletes to compete in their real gender classes since 2004, and I don't recall any openly transgender athlete winning any medals since, let alone a gold.

[Lady Victory]

Yeah, it really is kind of nuts. The issue's been around for ages, but it used to be a very niche thing that most people didn't think about too much. Now all of a sudden people are making a huge thing about it because the GOP cultural grievance machine needs another axe to grind.

Like, the olympics has allowed trans athletes to compete in their real gender classes since 2004, and I don't recall any openly transgender athlete winning any medals since, let alone a gold.

Your local GOP reps just called. They'd like you to stop disrupting their narrative.

[Ifreann]

Yeah, it really is kind of nuts. The issue's been around for ages, but it used to be a very niche thing that most people didn't think about too much. Now all of a sudden people are making a huge thing about it because the GOP cultural grievance machine needs another axe to grind.

Like, the olympics has allowed trans athletes to compete in their real gender classes since 2004, and I don't recall any openly transgender athlete winning any medals since, let alone a gold.

And that's another thing. The rhetoric here seems to shift very smoothly from talking about school sports for teenagers and children to talking about the most elite athletes in the world. Ask why a ten year old trans girl(and it does mostly seem to be girls) can't compete with cis girls of the same age and you get told about how the fastest or strongest or pointy-stick-throw-farthest men are faster, stronger, or stick-throw-further than the fastest, strongest, or stick-throw-farthest woman. Respectively.

[Kowani]

Kansas attempt to override Gov. Laura Kelly's (D) veto of bill to ban trans athletes fails by one vote

A Kansas bill banning transgender girls from playing women's sports failed Monday after the state Senate failed to override a veto from Gov. Laura Kelly (D).

Why it matters: The 26-14 vote meant that the bill hinged on one Democrat — Sen. David Haley — voting in opposition and breaking the needed two-thirds majority, per AP.

[Sincluda]

Like, the olympics has allowed trans athletes to compete in their real gender classes since 2004, and I don't recall any openly transgender athlete winning any medals since, let alone a gold.

And that's another thing. The rhetoric here seems to shift very smoothly from talking about school sports for teenagers and children to talking about the most elite athletes in the world. Ask why a ten year old trans girl(and it does mostly seem to be girls) can't compete with cis girls of the same age and you get told about how the fastest or strongest or pointy-stick-throw-farthest men are faster, stronger, or stick-throw-further than the fastest, strongest, or stick-throw-farthest woman. Respectively.

To expand on this point, the major surge in testosterone in biological males occurs in puberty. Most of this legislation is targeting age groups that usually don't experience puberty for some time.

[Lady Victory]

Kansas attempt to override Gov. Laura Kelly's (D) veto of bill to ban trans athletes fails by one vote

A Kansas bill banning transgender girls from playing women's sports failed Monday after the state Senate failed to override a veto from Gov. Laura Kelly (D).

Why it matters: The 26-14 vote meant that the bill hinged on one Democrat — Sen. David Haley — voting in opposition and breaking the needed two-thirds majority, per AP.

Ha ha ha get fucked bigots.

[Odreria]

Kansas attempt to override Gov. Laura Kelly's (D) veto of bill to ban trans athletes fails by one vote

A Kansas bill banning transgender girls from playing women's sports failed Monday after the state Senate failed to override a veto from Gov. Laura Kelly (D).

Why it matters: The 26-14 vote meant that the bill hinged on one Democrat — Sen. David Haley — voting in opposition and breaking the needed two-thirds majority, per AP.

That means that if it had gotten one more vote it would have passed.

[Lady Victory]

Kansas attempt to override Gov. Laura Kelly's (D) veto of bill to ban trans athletes fails by one vote

A Kansas bill banning transgender girls from playing women's sports failed Monday after the state Senate failed to override a veto from Gov. Laura Kelly (D).

Why it matters: The 26-14 vote meant that the bill hinged on one Democrat — Sen. David Haley — voting in opposition and breaking the needed two-thirds majority, per AP.

That means that if it had gotten one more vote it would have passed.

Which is precisely why it's funny as fuck. They got the votes to send it through only for it to get vetoed, but then they lost at least one vote to override the veto. That's pretty hilarious.

[Lady Victory]

So I get kinda giddy whenever someone uses the correct (female) pronouns when talking about me. Is that normal? It's only happened a few times so far but I get excited and it makes me smile when it does happen. Sometimes I'll mentally remind myself that I'm a woman now and I'll get a mixture of nervous and excited and just start smiling like an idiot. This is normal, right? Or am I just weird? I can live with being weird.

[Punished UMN]

So I get kinda giddy whenever someone uses the correct (female) pronouns when talking about me. Is that normal? It's only happened a few times so far but I get excited and it makes me smile when it does happen. Sometimes I'll mentally remind myself that I'm a woman now and I'll get a mixture of nervous and excited and just start smiling like an idiot. This is normal, right? Or am I just weird? I can live with being weird.

Obviously not speaking from personal experience here but since it seems no regulars are online, I can say that from what other people have said that that is indeed normal.

[Lady Victory]

So I get kinda giddy whenever someone uses the correct (female) pronouns when talking about me. Is that normal? It's only happened a few times so far but I get excited and it makes me smile when it does happen. Sometimes I'll mentally remind myself that I'm a woman now and I'll get a mixture of nervous and excited and just start smiling like an idiot. This is normal, right? Or am I just weird? I can live with being weird.

Obviously not speaking from personal experience here but since it seems no regulars are online, I can say that from what other people have said that that is indeed normal.

It feels so weird. I'm like much happier now all of a sudden. Calmer, too. I don't get as mad or frustrated as easily and I don't snap as often. Just generally in a better mood since coming out. It feels so odd but I like it.

[Neutraligon]

So I get kinda giddy whenever someone uses the correct (female) pronouns when talking about me. Is that normal? It's only happened a few times so far but I get excited and it makes me smile when it does happen. Sometimes I'll mentally remind myself that I'm a woman now and I'll get a mixture of nervous and excited and just start smiling like an idiot. This is normal, right? Or am I just weird? I can live with being weird.

I think that is something along the lines of gender euphoria. Basically, it come when your expression/recognition is in congruence with your gender. It could also be the relief of knowing yourself, essentially there is no reason to lie or there is no internal conflict with yourself, and so you feel relief.

[Lady Victory]

So I get kinda giddy whenever someone uses the correct (female) pronouns when talking about me. Is that normal? It's only happened a few times so far but I get excited and it makes me smile when it does happen. Sometimes I'll mentally remind myself that I'm a woman now and I'll get a mixture of nervous and excited and just start smiling like an idiot. This is normal, right? Or am I just weird? I can live with being weird.

I think that is something along the lines of gender euphoria. Basically, it come when your expression/recognition is in congruence with your gender. It could also be the relief of knowing yourself, essentially there is no reason to lie or there is no internal conflict with yourself, and so you feel relief.

Rad.

[Honeydewistania]

So I get kinda giddy whenever someone uses the correct (female) pronouns when talking about me. Is that normal? It's only happened a few times so far but I get excited and it makes me smile when it does happen. Sometimes I'll mentally remind myself that I'm a woman now and I'll get a mixture of nervous and excited and just start smiling like an idiot. This is normal, right? Or am I just weird? I can live with being weird.

Yes, this is normal

[Kowani]

Biden preparing to take on states on the slough of anti-trans bills

[Lady Victory]

Biden preparing to take on states on the slough of anti-trans bills

Do it, Biden. Be based.

[The Rich Port]

bingo

Of the 22 states that introduced legislation this year to ban healthcare for transgender youth, several introduced multiple bills with a range of harmful impacts. Prior to 2020, not a single state had introduced legislation to ban this medical care.

it's the latest front in the culture wars
it's very good among the base
does it play well outside of that
...well, not sure, but my money's on no

My money's on no too.

I feel like the progressive side of the culture wars has kind of jumped the shark, and I am not on board with the direction some people want to take it -- so you would think I'd be reachable if the GOP made an effort to expand their base -- but then I look at the way the GOP is running around screaming about conspiracy theories and I just think, "Nope, can't vote for that." And the trans panic is just one more thing that's turning me off. There are so many things we could be doing to make the country better, and what does the GOP do? They have a meltdown over some transgirl on a soccer team. It's a total waste of time.

Maybe if they offered a coherent alternative to the Dems' agenda I'd be a swing voter, but no... They are just having a mental breakdown over the existence of people that aren't cishet white Christians. It's very unappealing.

You know what I say the Republican Party should go full mask-off and just go full Nazi. No really.

It means the Democrats would dominate elections every time, because the mask of euphemistic fascism is particularly damaging not just to America but to the world.

As for progressives jumping the shark, yeah, sometimes people go too far and they get offended over nothing, but it's nothing compared to millennia of absolutism and conformity.

[Kowani]

Texas House may be blocking a trans sports ban

A bill that would prevent transgender Texas children from joining school sports teams that match their gender identity failed to advance out of a House committee Tuesday, signaling potential trouble for one of several anti-LGBTQ bills in the Legislature.

The Senate has advanced a handful of bills that LGBTQ advocates say threaten the rights and mental health of transgender children in Texas, including restricting their access to school sports and medical care. Senate Bill 29, the sports bill, is the first anti-trans Senate bill to get a committee vote in the lower chamber.

House legislation banning gender confirmation health care for children, signed by 45 Republicans, was passed out of the lower chamber’s Public Health committee last week but has yet to reach the full House floor. Senate-approved legislation labelling the treatment as child abuse is set to go before the same committee, which is made up of six Republicans and five Democrats. When members of the House Public Education committee — made up of six Democrats and seven Republicans — took up sports bill SB 29 on Tuesday, it failed to garner enough votes to advance to the full chamber.

Opponents of the legislation were relieved by vote.

“We thank the members of the House Public Education committee for their votes today against SB 29,” said Zeph Capo, president of the Texas American Federation of Teachers. “We did the right thing today for all the children of Texas by standing up for trans kids.”

Jamey Harrison, deputy director of the University Interscholastic League, told the House Public Education committee that the bill codifies current UIL rules, though there is one key distinction. The UIL mandate students in K-12 schools to compete on the team that aligns with the sex listed on their birth certificate. SB 29 adds that it must be the sex listed at or around birth. The change targets transgender Texans, who may change the sex listed on their birth certificate.

[Lady Victory]

Texas House may be blocking a trans sports ban

A bill that would prevent transgender Texas children from joining school sports teams that match their gender identity failed to advance out of a House committee Tuesday, signaling potential trouble for one of several anti-LGBTQ bills in the Legislature.

The Senate has advanced a handful of bills that LGBTQ advocates say threaten the rights and mental health of transgender children in Texas, including restricting their access to school sports and medical care. Senate Bill 29, the sports bill, is the first anti-trans Senate bill to get a committee vote in the lower chamber.

House legislation banning gender confirmation health care for children, signed by 45 Republicans, was passed out of the lower chamber’s Public Health committee last week but has yet to reach the full House floor. Senate-approved legislation labelling the treatment as child abuse is set to go before the same committee, which is made up of six Republicans and five Democrats. When members of the House Public Education committee — made up of six Democrats and seven Republicans — took up sports bill SB 29 on Tuesday, it failed to garner enough votes to advance to the full chamber.

Opponents of the legislation were relieved by vote.

“We thank the members of the House Public Education committee for their votes today against SB 29,” said Zeph Capo, president of the Texas American Federation of Teachers. “We did the right thing today for all the children of Texas by standing up for trans kids.”

Jamey Harrison, deputy director of the University Interscholastic League, told the House Public Education committee that the bill codifies current UIL rules, though there is one key distinction. The UIL mandate students in K-12 schools to compete on the team that aligns with the sex listed on their birth certificate. SB 29 adds that it must be the sex listed at or around birth. The change targets transgender Texans, who may change the sex listed on their birth certificate.

Allies in Texas????

Not the last Red State I'd expect them in, but definitely not the first either.

[The Rich Port]

Sooooooo... Real talk vs. politics.

Does anybody know where I can play video games with gay and trans people. Cuz I actually looked on Discord and found very few and none of them are active.

I been looking to play Battlefield 5 and Rainbow Six Siege with people and I'm kind of sick of the usual 14 year old kids and bro dudes

[Honeydewistania]

Based Texas??

[Zarnicovia nova]

Sooooooo... Real talk vs. politics.

Does anybody know where I can play video games with gay and trans people. Cuz I actually looked on Discord and found very few and none of them are active.

I been looking to play Battlefield 5 and Rainbow Six Siege with people and I'm kind of sick of the usual 14 year old kids and bro dudes

I think the majority of LGBTQ+ people are between 13-16 years old.