Trans Discussion Thread V: Catgirls Don't Need Litterboxes

[Nakena]

Those are not the same thing.

Frankly I'm still trying to figure out what grills have to do with centrism or populism.

Here you go: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-just-w ... -gods-sake

[Fansania]

indeed, GG was the beginning of the modern generation of reactionaries

GamerGate was unfortunately a very successful bait and switch campaign by the far-right. I must say, the far-right are unfortunately quite successful at recruiting young white men that are...in social groups that are typically looked down upon by the general society. This includes(and I’m speaking as a person on the spectrum) young white men on the autism spectrum.

Neither side really cares about those on the spectrum.

[Gongsi]

What about games where the different avatars had different benefits? For example, perhaps the lithe (and female) avatar is faster than the big (and male) one, but is less durable?

I don't even know any games like that currently.

I keep hearing this and thinking "Yeah, there are games out there like that", but whenever I sit down and try to think of what games those are my mind draws blanks. Closest thing I can think of is "gender-locked" classes, which is always a crappy mechanic no matter who you are or how you slice it.

[Talvezout]

I don't even know any games like that currently.

I keep hearing this and thinking "Yeah, there are games out there like that", but whenever I sit down and try to think of what games those are my mind draws blanks. Closest thing I can think of is "gender-locked" classes, which is always a crappy mechanic no matter who you are or how you slice it.

I remember Resident Evil (the first one) had Jill be an "easy" option and Chris be an "normal/hard" option

[Gongsi]

I keep hearing this and thinking "Yeah, there are games out there like that", but whenever I sit down and try to think of what games those are my mind draws blanks. Closest thing I can think of is "gender-locked" classes, which is always a crappy mechanic no matter who you are or how you slice it.

I remember Resident Evil (the first one) had Jill be an "easy" option and Chris be an "normal/hard" option

Oh...

I never played the RE games, as my mother didn't want me to play games "with guns in them" when I was younger. But yeah, that's pretty bad. I'm glad we are past that level of awful. Well, in video games at least.

Also, I take what I said back. I remember in the old Lego (Star Wars? Indiana Jones?) games female characters were the only ones with high jumps.

[New haven america]

Broadly speaking, it was the idea that progressive feminist types, the gaming press and devs were colluding with each other to elevate the influence of particular individual creators and critics, but also particular ideological perspectives in which "gaming culture" and "gamers" were defined as a social problem to be "fixed". This social problem was to be solved by constantly fanning moral panics about misogyny and working together to give critical coverage of games that weren't progressive in their message and praise those that promoted "diversity" and "equality" or had a diverse dev team, even if those games were not very good.

In my opinion, some of the more rational critics had somewhat of a point, at least in terms of the cushy ties between journalism, devs and to some extent the diversity advocates. However, this being the internet, some people decided to constantly bombard alleged guilty parties with death and rape threats. Which did a lot of work in making gaming indeed look pretty problematic and in need of cultural change to people who had previously been on the fence about it.

You know what I'll go ahead and say, maybe some of the more "feminazi" people were problematic themselves.

But yeaaaaaaah, it's funny how that works don't it. Starting to think Anita Sarkeesian was right all along, regardless of her own issues, which frankly in my opinion were not that serious. From what I understand about her donation scandal, she ended up doing the videos, it just took her way longer than she said it would.

In the end I'm glad that cooler heads prevailed... Or more that Donald Trump and the alt-right ruined euphemistic politics and now everyone with any morals and standards is on high alert for fascist and reactionary rhetoric, especially LGBTQ people, who stand to gain very little from either the current gaming/Internet community and reactionary politics.

She didn't.

She only made like 5 videos and they were all in the same low budget quality of her other ones. Arguably more poorly edited at that.

[Nakena]

I've watched Anita Sarkeesian's videos after the whole drama and I don't think they merited that much attention and controversy. They were generally deconstructing some tropes and games and being, perhaps, overtly nit-picking. But still not worth the trouble.

[New haven america]

I've watched Anita Sarkeesian's videos after the whole drama and I don't think they merited that much attention and controversy. They were generally deconstructing some tropes and games and being, perhaps, overtly nit-picking. But still not worth the trouble.

Were they worth $20 grand in production costs though? Is the main question people are wondering.

[North Washington Republic]

I've watched Anita Sarkeesian's videos after the whole drama and I don't think they merited that much attention and controversy. They were generally deconstructing some tropes and games and being, perhaps, overtly nit-picking. But still not worth the trouble.

Were they worth $20 grand in production costs though? Is the main question people are wondering.

Quite honestly, if one didn’t send her money, then they should spend their time on other things. Anita Sarkessian had her 15 seconds of fame. She is a nobody now.

[Nakena]

I've watched Anita Sarkeesian's videos after the whole drama and I don't think they merited that much attention and controversy. They were generally deconstructing some tropes and games and being, perhaps, overtly nit-picking. But still not worth the trouble.

Were they worth $20 grand in production costs though? Is the main question people are wondering.

Doubtful.

Were they worth $20 grand in production costs though? Is the main question people are wondering.

Quite honestly, if one didn’t send her money, then they should spend their time on other things. Anita Sarkessian had her 15 seconds of fame. She is a nobody now.

She could always do her own OnlyFans now.

[New haven america]

Were they worth $20 grand in production costs though? Is the main question people are wondering.

Doubtful.

Quite honestly, if one didn’t send her money, then they should spend their time on other things. Anita Sarkessian had her 15 seconds of fame. She is a nobody now.

She could always do her own OnlyFans now.

Edit: Wrong amount.

$160,000

[Nakena]

Doubtful.



She could always do her own OnlyFans now.

Edit: Wrong amount.

$160,000

Lol no. Eitherway, simps gonna simp.

[Lady Victory]

She could always do her own OnlyFans now.

I'm sure Sargon of Akkad would be very pleased with that.

[Nakena]

She could always do her own OnlyFans now.

I'm sure Sargon of Akkad would be very pleased with that.

She and Zoey Quinn could team up and make a special where they are smack talking the viewer in the videos as basement dwelling alt-right loosers and taunt them how trump has lost etc. and such stuff. I am certain there's a well paying audience for that. Altough not nearly as big as some years ago.

[North Washington Republic]

I'm sure Sargon of Akkad would be very pleased with that.

She and Zoey Quinn could team up and make a special where they are smack talking the viewer in the videos as basement dwelling alt-right loosers and taunt them how trump has lost etc. and such stuff. I am certain there's a well paying audience for that. Altough not nearly as big as some years ago.

It’s interesting to here someone like you talk trash about the alt-right.

[Forsher]

I don't even know any games like that currently.

I keep hearing this and thinking "Yeah, there are games out there like that", but whenever I sit down and try to think of what games those are my mind draws blanks. Closest thing I can think of is "gender-locked" classes, which is always a crappy mechanic no matter who you are or how you slice it.

The specific examples I were thinking of were from Shenkuu River Rush (a Neopets game, not sure what it's riffing off... though in that the difference may be in my head) and Sonic (the different characters have slightly different skills... or, at least, two do in this Flash version).

I don't really play "character" games other than CK2 though (where every character is different... of to a lesser extent, total war games but been ages since I played one of them anyway) so I can't give you more recent/relevant examples myself.

[The Rich Port]

I've watched Anita Sarkeesian's videos after the whole drama and I don't think they merited that much attention and controversy. They were generally deconstructing some tropes and games and being, perhaps, overtly nit-picking. But still not worth the trouble.

Were they worth $20 grand in production costs though? Is the main question people are wondering.

Did anybody from GamerGate give her money? I seriously doubt it.

[Lady Victory]

Were they worth $20 grand in production costs though? Is the main question people are wondering.

Did anybody from GamerGate give her money? I seriously doubt it.

Can we stop talking about GamerGate? I don't think it has anything to do with Trans issues.

[Kowani]

And, Louisiana

A proposal to ban transgender athletes in Louisiana from competing on girls' sports teams in schools will be debated by the full Senate after sailing through the chamber's education committee Thursday without opposition.Sen. Beth Mizell, the Senate's second-ranking Republican, said her bill would “protect girls in sports." She suggested transgender women would have an automatic, built-in advantage.

“Nobody wants to treat anyone with inequity, but there is not an equal situation physically,” Mizell said.

LGBTQ advocates and other opponents called such a ban discriminatory, said it could harm transgender children's mental health and would run afoul of federal anti-discrimination laws. Gov. John Bel Edwards, a Democrat, opposes the bill and other measures targeting transgender youth.

“It perpetuates more unfairness whether it intends to or not,” said Clifton Mixon, a child and adolescent psychologist.

Senate Education Chairman Cleo Fields, a Baton Rouge Democrat, questioned the need for the bill, but didn’t vote in opposition. The only other Democrat on the committee, Sen. Katrina Jackson of Monroe, joined the Republicans in supporting the measure.

Jackson vigorously defended her position as protecting students against an “unfair advantage” that she said transgender females could have.

“I'm going to vote for the bill. I’m going to very transparent. But I don’t want to be called transphobic,” she said.

Conservative lawmakers across the country have pushed similar bills limiting transgender people's participation in sports, and Mizell said 20 states have adopted them so far.

But Mizell acknowledged she couldn't offer an example of a specific problem or situation in Louisiana.

The Louisiana High School Athletic Association, which supports the legislation, already has taken a position that student athletes “shall compete in the gender of their birth certificate unless they have undergone sex reassignment." That prompted Fields to ask whether the bill was even needed to accomplish Mizell's goal.

“This is a bill in search of a problem,” said Melissa Flournoy, with Louisiana Progress, which opposed the bill.

The proposal would require that athletic events and teams sponsored by a school that receives state funding “shall be expressly designated, based upon biological sex,” and it would specifically spell out that athletic teams or sports events “designated for females, girls or women shall not be open to students who are not biologically female.”

Mixon said puberty blockers and other medical treatments can keep transgender women from developing the athletic advantages that supporter of the bill cited. He said athletes have different body types and different genetic backgrounds that can give them advantages.

“We’re overly focused on competitiveness and not humanity,” he said.

Rep. Kirk Talbot, a River Ridge Republican, cited an example in Connecticut where he said two transgender females broke multiple state records in track events. Allowing them to play on women's teams “will most definitely kill women’s sports,” Talbot said.

Advancement of Mizell's bill came a day after another lawmaker, Republican Sen. Mike Fesi of Houma, shelved his proposal to add new restrictions on transgender youth access to medical care and counseling. Fesi faced widespread opposition and claims that the measure was discriminatory.

Edwards and others worry that proposals to add transgender restrictions could bring economic damage to the state, chasing away events like the NCAA’s Final Four basketball tournament scheduled for New Orleans in 2022. The NCAA has declared its support for transgender student athletes and said it will choose locations for its championships where hosts commit to an environment “free of discrimination.”


The bill is filed as Senate Bill 156.

[Grenartia]

Did anybody from GamerGate give her money? I seriously doubt it.

Can we stop talking about GamerGate? I don't think it has anything to do with Trans issues.

Hard agree.

And, Louisiana

A proposal to ban transgender athletes in Louisiana from competing on girls' sports teams in schools will be debated by the full Senate after sailing through the chamber's education committee Thursday without opposition.Sen. Beth Mizell, the Senate's second-ranking Republican, said her bill would “protect girls in sports." She suggested transgender women would have an automatic, built-in advantage.

“Nobody wants to treat anyone with inequity, but there is not an equal situation physically,” Mizell said.

LGBTQ advocates and other opponents called such a ban discriminatory, said it could harm transgender children's mental health and would run afoul of federal anti-discrimination laws. Gov. John Bel Edwards, a Democrat, opposes the bill and other measures targeting transgender youth.

“It perpetuates more unfairness whether it intends to or not,” said Clifton Mixon, a child and adolescent psychologist.

Senate Education Chairman Cleo Fields, a Baton Rouge Democrat, questioned the need for the bill, but didn’t vote in opposition. The only other Democrat on the committee, Sen. Katrina Jackson of Monroe, joined the Republicans in supporting the measure.

Jackson vigorously defended her position as protecting students against an “unfair advantage” that she said transgender females could have.

“I'm going to vote for the bill. I’m going to very transparent. But I don’t want to be called transphobic,” she said.

Conservative lawmakers across the country have pushed similar bills limiting transgender people's participation in sports, and Mizell said 20 states have adopted them so far.

But Mizell acknowledged she couldn't offer an example of a specific problem or situation in Louisiana.

The Louisiana High School Athletic Association, which supports the legislation, already has taken a position that student athletes “shall compete in the gender of their birth certificate unless they have undergone sex reassignment." That prompted Fields to ask whether the bill was even needed to accomplish Mizell's goal.

“This is a bill in search of a problem,” said Melissa Flournoy, with Louisiana Progress, which opposed the bill.

The proposal would require that athletic events and teams sponsored by a school that receives state funding “shall be expressly designated, based upon biological sex,” and it would specifically spell out that athletic teams or sports events “designated for females, girls or women shall not be open to students who are not biologically female.”

Mixon said puberty blockers and other medical treatments can keep transgender women from developing the athletic advantages that supporter of the bill cited. He said athletes have different body types and different genetic backgrounds that can give them advantages.

“We’re overly focused on competitiveness and not humanity,” he said.

Rep. Kirk Talbot, a River Ridge Republican, cited an example in Connecticut where he said two transgender females broke multiple state records in track events. Allowing them to play on women's teams “will most definitely kill women’s sports,” Talbot said.

Advancement of Mizell's bill came a day after another lawmaker, Republican Sen. Mike Fesi of Houma, shelved his proposal to add new restrictions on transgender youth access to medical care and counseling. Fesi faced widespread opposition and claims that the measure was discriminatory.

Edwards and others worry that proposals to add transgender restrictions could bring economic damage to the state, chasing away events like the NCAA’s Final Four basketball tournament scheduled for New Orleans in 2022. The NCAA has declared its support for transgender student athletes and said it will choose locations for its championships where hosts commit to an environment “free of discrimination.”


The bill is filed as Senate Bill 156.

Well, fuck.

[Kowani]

North Carolina GOP won't try to pass an anti-trans sports bill after all

The North Carolina General Assembly won't advance legislation this year preventing transgender girls and women from competing in school sports labeled for biologically female athletes, a top legislative leader said.

“The House will not be taking up that bill,” House Speaker Tim Moore told The Associated Press in an interview. “We’ve spoken with the bill sponsors and others and simply believe that there’s not a need to take it up at this time.” The inaction marks another decision by state Republicans to step away for now from controversial LGBT legislation rather than face criticism that GOP leaders in other states have experienced. Those actions, however, have failed to generate broader backlash.

Senate leader Phil Berger’s office said last week that there would be no votes on a bill that sought to limit medical treatments for transgender people under 21 and punish doctors who facilitate that treatment, adding that there was no pathway for it to become law.

The House is setting aside the “Save Women's Sports Act,” which was pushed by social conservatives and other groups who said young women were in danger of losing spots on high school and colleges teams and sports titles to athletes who were born male, creating inherent unfairness. LGBT-rights groups strongly opposed the legislation. Parents and children told a judiciary committee hearing this month that the prohibition would harm transgender girls who want to fit in and would amount to discrimination. No similar bill was filed in the Senate this year.

Moore expressed skepticism that the sports bill would have had enough votes to be adopted into law. Vetoes by Democratic Gov. Roy Cooper, an LGBT rights supporter, are tough for Republicans to override because their majorities aren't veto-proof.Moore called the transgender sports bill a solution in search of a problem that hasn't yet surfaced in North Carolina as in other states. Since 2019, the North Carolina High School Athletic Association has received less than 10 requests from teenagers who identify as a different gender than on their birth certificate and seek to participate in formal athletics.

“We’re not really hearing any complaints about that where it’s an issue,” Moore told the AP late Wednesday.

Moore moved the transgender sports bill from the Judiciary Committee to the Rules Committee, where measures that the majority party doesn't want to take up often get sent to die. That action happened Monday, the same day Apple Inc. announced the construction of its first East Coast campus in the Raleigh-Durham area and the creation of at least 3,000 jobs over the next decade.

Berger and Moore told reporters at a Monday news conference celebrating the Apple expansion that the company demanded no actions on legislation. Cooper did say that Apple CEO Tim Cook told him the repeal of North Carolina's 2016 transgender bathroom bill was “important in their decision making,” as was the recent end of a moratorium on local government nondiscrimination ordinances. Moore told the AP that parking the transgender sports bill had no connection to the Apple announcement. Rather, he said, the decision was the result of discussions within the House Republican Caucus.

Rep. Mark Brody, a Union County Republican and chief sponsor of the legislation, said Wednesday that he feels pretty confident the measure got derailed because “Apple's come to town" but lacked hard evidence. Brody said the measure would have gone all the way to Cooper's desk if House leadership had given the green light to vote on it, but a veto would have occurred.

“I’m disappointed that it isn’t moving,” Brody said, adding that the conflict will resurface when a transgender girl wins a state championship in a sport designated for women. “I think the issues are not going to go away.”

[Lady Victory]

North Carolina GOP won't try to pass an anti-trans sports bill after all

The North Carolina General Assembly won't advance legislation this year preventing transgender girls and women from competing in school sports labeled for biologically female athletes, a top legislative leader said.

“The House will not be taking up that bill,” House Speaker Tim Moore told The Associated Press in an interview. “We’ve spoken with the bill sponsors and others and simply believe that there’s not a need to take it up at this time.” The inaction marks another decision by state Republicans to step away for now from controversial LGBT legislation rather than face criticism that GOP leaders in other states have experienced. Those actions, however, have failed to generate broader backlash.

Senate leader Phil Berger’s office said last week that there would be no votes on a bill that sought to limit medical treatments for transgender people under 21 and punish doctors who facilitate that treatment, adding that there was no pathway for it to become law.

The House is setting aside the “Save Women's Sports Act,” which was pushed by social conservatives and other groups who said young women were in danger of losing spots on high school and colleges teams and sports titles to athletes who were born male, creating inherent unfairness. LGBT-rights groups strongly opposed the legislation. Parents and children told a judiciary committee hearing this month that the prohibition would harm transgender girls who want to fit in and would amount to discrimination. No similar bill was filed in the Senate this year.

Moore expressed skepticism that the sports bill would have had enough votes to be adopted into law. Vetoes by Democratic Gov. Roy Cooper, an LGBT rights supporter, are tough for Republicans to override because their majorities aren't veto-proof.Moore called the transgender sports bill a solution in search of a problem that hasn't yet surfaced in North Carolina as in other states. Since 2019, the North Carolina High School Athletic Association has received less than 10 requests from teenagers who identify as a different gender than on their birth certificate and seek to participate in formal athletics.

“We’re not really hearing any complaints about that where it’s an issue,” Moore told the AP late Wednesday.

Moore moved the transgender sports bill from the Judiciary Committee to the Rules Committee, where measures that the majority party doesn't want to take up often get sent to die. That action happened Monday, the same day Apple Inc. announced the construction of its first East Coast campus in the Raleigh-Durham area and the creation of at least 3,000 jobs over the next decade.

Berger and Moore told reporters at a Monday news conference celebrating the Apple expansion that the company demanded no actions on legislation. Cooper did say that Apple CEO Tim Cook told him the repeal of North Carolina's 2016 transgender bathroom bill was “important in their decision making,” as was the recent end of a moratorium on local government nondiscrimination ordinances. Moore told the AP that parking the transgender sports bill had no connection to the Apple announcement. Rather, he said, the decision was the result of discussions within the House Republican Caucus.

Rep. Mark Brody, a Union County Republican and chief sponsor of the legislation, said Wednesday that he feels pretty confident the measure got derailed because “Apple's come to town" but lacked hard evidence. Brody said the measure would have gone all the way to Cooper's desk if House leadership had given the green light to vote on it, but a veto would have occurred.

“I’m disappointed that it isn’t moving,” Brody said, adding that the conflict will resurface when a transgender girl wins a state championship in a sport designated for women. “I think the issues are not going to go away.”

What??? Republicans that actually listen to the people? I must have traveled back in time to the 1950s or something.

[Just-An-Illusion]

Love the new profile picture Lady! Is it from that Picrew website?

[Kowani]

What??? Republicans that actually listen to the people? I must have traveled back in time to the 1950s or something.

that's not it
it's money and the fact they don't have the votes to override the Governor's (Roy Cooper's a Democrat) inevitable veto

[Lady Victory]

Love the new profile picture Lady! Is it from that Picrew website?

It is! It's my idea of what I hope to look like when I fully transition. The final product will probably be wildly different, but it's nice to dream.

What??? Republicans that actually listen to the people? I must have traveled back in time to the 1950s or something.

that's not it
it's money and the fact they don't have the votes to override the Governor's (Roy Cooper's a Democrat) inevitable veto

Figures. There's always a catch with the GOP.