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Postby The V O I D » Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:29 am

Hello, TDT! I just wanted to take my first post in this, the fifth TDT thread, to give you a reminder that you are valid and that you are all wonderful people, and to please stay strong and hold out hope in these trying times that justice will be done.

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Ohio and Pennsylvania Republicans join the anti-trans athletes crusade
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Postby Nakena » Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:28 pm

Kowani wrote:Ohio and Pennsylvania Republicans join the anti-trans athletes crusade


Seems they don't have anything better to do.

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Nakena wrote:
Kowani wrote:Ohio and Pennsylvania Republicans join the anti-trans athletes crusade


Seems they don't have anything better to do.

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Postby Auzkhia » Mon Mar 15, 2021 4:27 pm

Kowani wrote:Ohio and Pennsylvania Republicans join the anti-trans athletes crusade

Thank goddess for Tom Wolf.

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Postby North Washington Republic » Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:52 pm

Kowani wrote:Ohio and Pennsylvania Republicans join the anti-trans athletes crusade


It looks like that Republicans have found their new victims in order to rile up the base.
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Nevada Bill would bar insurance from denying coverage of gender-affirmative procedures

Senate Bill 139 would require certain health insurance policies, including Medicaid, to cover “the treatment of conditions relating to gender dysphoria, gender incongruence and other disorders of sexual development.”

Procedures that affirm a person’s gender could range from “top surgery,” which includes breast reduction or removal, to voice therapy, depending on what a health care provider has deemed medically necessary for that person. While being praised by civil rights and LGBTQ groups, the legislation also received support from SilverSummit Health Plan, a state-based insurance plan.

The only opposition was from the Lyon County comptroller, who worried about the financial burden the legislation might place on smaller insurance plans.

The Nevada Association of Health Plans testified in “neutral,” saying it was working with the bill’s sponsors, Clark County Democratic state Sens. Melanie Scheible and Dallas Harris, to clarify some of the language.

If passed, Brooke Maylath, who presented the bill alongside Scheible, said Nevada would be “the first state to be able to have something this broadly mandated.”
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In 2015 the Affordable Care Act prohibited insurance companies from refusing to cover procedures for transgender people. The Nevada Division of Insurance issued a bulletin shortly after to affirm its commitment to ensure procedures couldn’t be denied because of gender identity or expression.

Maylath said those laws and policies haven’t stopped trans people from being denied coverage nor have they stopped the bias that has led to some of those denials.


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Kowani wrote:Nevada Bill would bar insurance from denying coverage of gender-affirmative procedures

Senate Bill 139 would require certain health insurance policies, including Medicaid, to cover “the treatment of conditions relating to gender dysphoria, gender incongruence and other disorders of sexual development.”

Procedures that affirm a person’s gender could range from “top surgery,” which includes breast reduction or removal, to voice therapy, depending on what a health care provider has deemed medically necessary for that person. While being praised by civil rights and LGBTQ groups, the legislation also received support from SilverSummit Health Plan, a state-based insurance plan.

The only opposition was from the Lyon County comptroller, who worried about the financial burden the legislation might place on smaller insurance plans.

The Nevada Association of Health Plans testified in “neutral,” saying it was working with the bill’s sponsors, Clark County Democratic state Sens. Melanie Scheible and Dallas Harris, to clarify some of the language.

If passed, Brooke Maylath, who presented the bill alongside Scheible, said Nevada would be “the first state to be able to have something this broadly mandated.”
[…]
In 2015 the Affordable Care Act prohibited insurance companies from refusing to cover procedures for transgender people. The Nevada Division of Insurance issued a bulletin shortly after to affirm its commitment to ensure procedures couldn’t be denied because of gender identity or expression.

Maylath said those laws and policies haven’t stopped trans people from being denied coverage nor have they stopped the bias that has led to some of those denials.


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Nakena wrote:
Kowani wrote:Ohio and Pennsylvania Republicans join the anti-trans athletes crusade


Seems they don't have anything better to do.

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Riviere Renard wrote:
Kowani wrote:Nevada Bill would bar insurance from denying coverage of gender-affirmative procedures

Senate Bill 139 would require certain health insurance policies, including Medicaid, to cover “the treatment of conditions relating to gender dysphoria, gender incongruence and other disorders of sexual development.”

Procedures that affirm a person’s gender could range from “top surgery,” which includes breast reduction or removal, to voice therapy, depending on what a health care provider has deemed medically necessary for that person. While being praised by civil rights and LGBTQ groups, the legislation also received support from SilverSummit Health Plan, a state-based insurance plan.

The only opposition was from the Lyon County comptroller, who worried about the financial burden the legislation might place on smaller insurance plans.

The Nevada Association of Health Plans testified in “neutral,” saying it was working with the bill’s sponsors, Clark County Democratic state Sens. Melanie Scheible and Dallas Harris, to clarify some of the language.

If passed, Brooke Maylath, who presented the bill alongside Scheible, said Nevada would be “the first state to be able to have something this broadly mandated.”
[…]
In 2015 the Affordable Care Act prohibited insurance companies from refusing to cover procedures for transgender people. The Nevada Division of Insurance issued a bulletin shortly after to affirm its commitment to ensure procedures couldn’t be denied because of gender identity or expression.

Maylath said those laws and policies haven’t stopped trans people from being denied coverage nor have they stopped the bias that has led to some of those denials.


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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:49 pm

So much eyeroll @ the various news items on this page so far, where the legislature is shitting on trans people in various ways. Don't these lawmakers have anything better to do?
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Postby Punished UMN » Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:02 pm

The New California Republic wrote:So much eyeroll @ the various news items on this page so far, where the legislature is shitting on trans people in various ways. Don't these lawmakers have anything better to do?

Yes, but they don't want to do those things.
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The New California Republic wrote:So much eyeroll @ the various news items on this page so far, where the legislature is shitting on trans people in various ways. Don't these lawmakers have anything better to do?

Of course, why legislate on important issues like climate change and healthcare when you can make life harder for a marginalized group instead?
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Postby Kowani » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:55 pm

North Dakota has entered the fray

A hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Tuesday, March 16, dealt with House Bill 1298, which would prevent athletes under age 18 from participating in sports under any sex other than the one listed on their birth certificate.

It would also ban publicly owned facilities from hosting events in which transgender athletes might participate.

However, prior to the hearing, bill sponsor Rep. Ben Koppelman, (R), offered up amendments that would permit a facility to be rented or leased for such events and allow sponsorship of them by local destination marketing organizations, like the Fargo-Moorhead Convention and Visitors Bureau.

The committee took no action on the bill before adjourning after two hours of testimony.

[…]

In their support of the bill, several invoked Title IX, the federal civil rights law passed in 1972 prohibiting sex-based discrimination in any school or other education program that receives federal money.

Koppelman said if the bill doesn’t pass, opportunities for women will be greatly reduced, as society tries to replace biological sex references with the social construct of self-identification.

“We will, in essence, be allowing the panels of the glass ceiling to be reconstructed and installed over the heads of our women in the name of feelings, rather than science,” Koppelman said.

Rep. Kathy Skroch, (R), said the bill is about keeping a level playing field for girls.


Her youngest daughter got a free ride in college by competing in track, she said.

“If she competed against boys, she would have never gotten a scholarship because of the biological difference,” Skroch said.

Rep. Scott Louser, (R), said the debate is happening because an “ultra minority” of people have “demanded to be accommodated.”

When others try to put in place practical solutions, he said, they’re criticized as being out of touch, insensitive, bigoted, homophobic or even racist.

“That’s something society is just falling back on now,” Louser said.

Beth Stelzer, a Minnesota powerlifter and founder of the nonpartisan coalition Save Women’s Sports, said male participation in female sports is a growing problem across the world.

“We should not wait idly until a female in North Dakota is seriously injured or until all of their records are gone, to do something,” Stelzer said.
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Postby Ayytaly » Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:53 pm

Kowani wrote:North Dakota has entered the fray

A hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Tuesday, March 16, dealt with House Bill 1298, which would prevent athletes under age 18 from participating in sports under any sex other than the one listed on their birth certificate.

It would also ban publicly owned facilities from hosting events in which transgender athletes might participate.

However, prior to the hearing, bill sponsor Rep. Ben Koppelman, (R), offered up amendments that would permit a facility to be rented or leased for such events and allow sponsorship of them by local destination marketing organizations, like the Fargo-Moorhead Convention and Visitors Bureau.

The committee took no action on the bill before adjourning after two hours of testimony.

[…]

In their support of the bill, several invoked Title IX, the federal civil rights law passed in 1972 prohibiting sex-based discrimination in any school or other education program that receives federal money.

Koppelman said if the bill doesn’t pass, opportunities for women will be greatly reduced, as society tries to replace biological sex references with the social construct of self-identification.

“We will, in essence, be allowing the panels of the glass ceiling to be reconstructed and installed over the heads of our women in the name of feelings, rather than science,” Koppelman said.

Rep. Kathy Skroch, (R), said the bill is about keeping a level playing field for girls.


Her youngest daughter got a free ride in college by competing in track, she said.

“If she competed against boys, she would have never gotten a scholarship because of the biological difference,” Skroch said.

Rep. Scott Louser, (R), said the debate is happening because an “ultra minority” of people have “demanded to be accommodated.”

When others try to put in place practical solutions, he said, they’re criticized as being out of touch, insensitive, bigoted, homophobic or even racist.

“That’s something society is just falling back on now,” Louser said.

Beth Stelzer, a Minnesota powerlifter and founder of the nonpartisan coalition Save Women’s Sports, said male participation in female sports is a growing problem across the world.

“We should not wait idly until a female in North Dakota is seriously injured or until all of their records are gone, to do something,” Stelzer said.


So much for March being International Women's Month.

Legit question to those who now identify as female: Do you believe native women have a rational basis to feel that their struggle to succeed in a physical field historically dominated exclusively by men is being hindered and encroached by trans athletes and those pushing for the abolition of biological sex classification in favor of gender identity?


(Native means born, btw. Not in indigenous context at all.)
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Just something that people here may find interesting: Court deems same-sex marriage ban in Japan unconstitutional.
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Ayytaly wrote:
Kowani wrote:North Dakota has entered the fray

A hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Tuesday, March 16, dealt with House Bill 1298, which would prevent athletes under age 18 from participating in sports under any sex other than the one listed on their birth certificate.

It would also ban publicly owned facilities from hosting events in which transgender athletes might participate.

However, prior to the hearing, bill sponsor Rep. Ben Koppelman, (R), offered up amendments that would permit a facility to be rented or leased for such events and allow sponsorship of them by local destination marketing organizations, like the Fargo-Moorhead Convention and Visitors Bureau.

The committee took no action on the bill before adjourning after two hours of testimony.

[…]

In their support of the bill, several invoked Title IX, the federal civil rights law passed in 1972 prohibiting sex-based discrimination in any school or other education program that receives federal money.

Koppelman said if the bill doesn’t pass, opportunities for women will be greatly reduced, as society tries to replace biological sex references with the social construct of self-identification.

“We will, in essence, be allowing the panels of the glass ceiling to be reconstructed and installed over the heads of our women in the name of feelings, rather than science,” Koppelman said.

Rep. Kathy Skroch, (R), said the bill is about keeping a level playing field for girls.


Her youngest daughter got a free ride in college by competing in track, she said.

“If she competed against boys, she would have never gotten a scholarship because of the biological difference,” Skroch said.

Rep. Scott Louser, (R), said the debate is happening because an “ultra minority” of people have “demanded to be accommodated.”

When others try to put in place practical solutions, he said, they’re criticized as being out of touch, insensitive, bigoted, homophobic or even racist.

“That’s something society is just falling back on now,” Louser said.

Beth Stelzer, a Minnesota powerlifter and founder of the nonpartisan coalition Save Women’s Sports, said male participation in female sports is a growing problem across the world.

“We should not wait idly until a female in North Dakota is seriously injured or until all of their records are gone, to do something,” Stelzer said.


So much for March being International Women's Month.

Legit question to those who now identify as female: Do you believe native women have a rational basis to feel that their struggle to succeed in a physical field historically dominated exclusively by men is being hindered and encroached by trans athletes and those pushing for the abolition of biological sex classification in favor of gender identity?


(Native means born, btw. Not in indigenous context at all.)

No. And as puberty blockers are used more and more this becomes even less of an issue.
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Disgraces wrote:What's up with the strasserism

Just Nakena memeing. The flag is not advocating for any ideology. Nakena provided sources under the flag in the OP you can check out.
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Ayytaly wrote:
Kowani wrote:North Dakota has entered the fray

A hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Tuesday, March 16, dealt with House Bill 1298, which would prevent athletes under age 18 from participating in sports under any sex other than the one listed on their birth certificate.

It would also ban publicly owned facilities from hosting events in which transgender athletes might participate.

However, prior to the hearing, bill sponsor Rep. Ben Koppelman, (R), offered up amendments that would permit a facility to be rented or leased for such events and allow sponsorship of them by local destination marketing organizations, like the Fargo-Moorhead Convention and Visitors Bureau.

The committee took no action on the bill before adjourning after two hours of testimony.

[…]

In their support of the bill, several invoked Title IX, the federal civil rights law passed in 1972 prohibiting sex-based discrimination in any school or other education program that receives federal money.

Koppelman said if the bill doesn’t pass, opportunities for women will be greatly reduced, as society tries to replace biological sex references with the social construct of self-identification.

“We will, in essence, be allowing the panels of the glass ceiling to be reconstructed and installed over the heads of our women in the name of feelings, rather than science,” Koppelman said.

Rep. Kathy Skroch, (R), said the bill is about keeping a level playing field for girls.


Her youngest daughter got a free ride in college by competing in track, she said.

“If she competed against boys, she would have never gotten a scholarship because of the biological difference,” Skroch said.

Rep. Scott Louser, (R), said the debate is happening because an “ultra minority” of people have “demanded to be accommodated.”

When others try to put in place practical solutions, he said, they’re criticized as being out of touch, insensitive, bigoted, homophobic or even racist.

“That’s something society is just falling back on now,” Louser said.

Beth Stelzer, a Minnesota powerlifter and founder of the nonpartisan coalition Save Women’s Sports, said male participation in female sports is a growing problem across the world.

“We should not wait idly until a female in North Dakota is seriously injured or until all of their records are gone, to do something,” Stelzer said.


So much for March being International Women's Month.

Legit question to those who now identify as female: Do you believe native women have a rational basis to feel that their struggle to succeed in a physical field historically dominated exclusively by men is being hindered and encroached by trans athletes and those pushing for the abolition of biological sex classification in favor of gender identity?


(Native means born, btw. Not in indigenous context at all.)

You mean natal, not native, but what you probably should say is cis, just so you know.

And also, that's a bit of a loaded question. But to answer it, no, sexual dimorphism is not that big in mammals especially in humans and frankly, coed sports can be a thing, if you must create control groups, put it to something like weight classes.

But frankly, this is not about 'fairness in sports' it never was, it's about slowly but surely eroding trans people out from the public sphere.

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:10 am

Zul-ar wrote:

I'm not sure about torturing
Peter Lynas, UK director of the alliance wrote:He said the Evangelical Alliance opposed "abusive practices" and said extreme forms of conversion therapy, such as electric shock treatment, were "clearly wrong".

But he said such practises should already be illegal under existing laws and that a further ban risks preventing gay Christians who want to remain celibate from seeking support
....
"It would place ministry leaders at risk of arrest for encouraging young people to maintain chastity until marriage. And it would criminalise a member of a church who prays with another member when they ask for prayer to resist temptation as they are attracted to someone of the same sex but do not wish to act on it."

Their reasoning has nothing to do with torture or electric shock therapy, but about being allowed to discourage gay people in their church from doing gay things.


It doesn't need to be physical to be torture.
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