Trans Discussion Thread: Catgirls Don't Need Litterboxes

[Vassenor]

So the BBC decided that the only groups it needed to interview about the government's plans to outlaw conversion therapy were the Evangelical Alliance, which argues that banning people from torturing others into pretending they're Cishet is a violation of religious freedom, and the LGB Alliance, which is pretty much accepted to be a right-wing false flag attempt to use trans rights to split the LGBT community in general.

[thonking]

Trans group: We are going to create a group just for transgender people since we face different issues than the rest of the LGBTIA umbrella.
Woke Left: So progressive!

LGB group: We are going to create a group just for LGB people since we face different issues than the rest of the LGBTIA umbrella.
Woke Left: Why are you so full of hate?

Not what I said, but go off. For one, the LGB Alliance is pretty widely known to be a Heritage Foundation front.

[Zul-ar]

So the BBC decided that the only groups it needed to interview about the government's plans to outlaw conversion therapy were the Evangelical Alliance, which argues that banning people from torturing others into pretending they're Cishet is a violation of religious freedom, and the LGB Alliance, which is pretty much accepted to be a right-wing false flag attempt to use trans rights to split the LGBT community in general.

[thonking]

Trans group: We are going to create a group just for transgender people since we face different issues than the rest of the LGBTIA umbrella.
Woke Left: So progressive!

LGB group: We are going to create a group just for LGB people since we face different issues than the rest of the LGBTIA umbrella.
Woke Left: Why are you so full of hate?

It's because of their actions and what they stand for. A quick google search will show you that this is not a group to specifically address the issues people with attraction to the same-sex experience, but actually an anti-trans group.

They describe their mission as "asserting the right of lesbians, bisexuals and gay men to define themselves as same-sex attracted", and state this right is threatened by "attempts to introduce confusion between biological sex and the notion of gender".[1] The LGB Alliance opposes gender identity education in schools,[2] pharmaceutical treatment of children for gender dysphoria[3] and gender recognition reform. Link to source.

[Socialist States of Ludistan]

Hello there, I’m a firm believer in science, and for that reason I do not believe that people can just switch genders, no matter what they feel like. However I know many people who believe you can, however their lack of knowledge on the subject of science and politics has made it hard for them to convince me. So once again I turn to the internet, I want to hear the logic and science behind switching genders.

[Vassenor]

At the time of the LGB Alliance's founding in London, Bailey stated that ‘gender extremism is about to meet its match’. She also stated "The LGBTQ lobbying juggernaut that created & then weaponised 'gender identity' theories, gave birth to a cult... No cult ends voluntarily. They must be stopped."

And just in case you feel like trying to keep pretending they're an LGB rights organisation...

Co-founder Malcolm Clark, who apparently works on contract for the BBC, has stated that LGBT school clubs are "unnecessary and dangerous" and "encourage predators", Victim blaming children for the existence of predators because they organised supportive social clubs is a curious stance for a supposedly pro LGB organisation - it is usually heterosexual right wingers that assume orientation is inherently sexual (think of the children.) His position on the topic certainly seems to have drawn the interest of the UK-based evangelical Christian conservative] organization Christian Concern, which published information about the incident on its website for its readers.

One of the speakers at the LGB Alliance launch event was Gary Powell, a man who has allied with the Heritage Foundation against gay surrogacy rights and has written for Public Discourse, a division of The Witherspoon Institute which staunchly opposes gay marriage.

Activist Casey Explosion has highlighted the LGB Alliance's other links with Conservative evangelical think tank the Heritage Foundation.

The LGB Alliance argued on Twitter that it isn't “homophobic” to not be in favor of gay marriage, because most people identified as lesbian, gay or bisexual in the United Kingdom aren't gay married. The chart they use to support this argument shows an increase in the proportion of gay marriages every year relative to the LGB population in the UK.

However, while they consider being against equal marriage *not* homophobic, apparently the entire modern, mainstream LGBT movement *is* homophobic, because it isn’t transphobic.

In August 2020, the LGB Alliance claimed that a rainbow lanyard “reflects alignment with gender identity campaigners who promote self-ID. There is a clash between self-ID and the rights of LGB people and women”. Additionally, they suggested agreement with the sentiment that wearing a rainbow lanyard “undermines the impartiality of the police”.

They also falsely and ahistorically stated that gay and lesbian activists “never demanded society change its laws” or “cursed people who disagreed”; a baffling and incorrect statement from a group purporting to serve LGB people, and rather insulting to the lesbian and gay activists who fought and died to change homophobic laws [50] and in some countries, still give their lives in support of the cause.

The LGB Alliance also ‘object’ to non-binary people and imply they think non binary people do not exist.

The Ireland LGB Alliance tried to pressure schools into withdrawing from an anti-bullying campaign, designed to help LGBT children. The campaign, BeLonG To, distributes packs to schools across the country that draw attention to the violence, discrimination and bullying LGBT+ young people often face in school. The group were lambasted by Irish scientist and artist Robert Bohan, who branded the LGB Alliance Ireland “an infamous hate group masquerading as a gay rights organisation”.

The LGB Alliance recently stated that the presence of bisexual people in opposite sex relationships in gay bars and clubs was disrespectful and offensive.

[Vassenor]

Hello there, I’m a firm believer in science, and for that reason I do not believe that people can just switch genders, no matter what they feel like. However I know many people who believe you can, however their lack of knowledge on the subject of science and politics has made it hard for them to convince me. So once again I turn to the internet, I want to hear the logic and science behind switching genders.

OK, so what research have you done on the matter?

[Socialist States of Ludistan]

Hello there, I’m a firm believer in science, and for that reason I do not believe that people can just switch genders, no matter what they feel like. However I know many people who believe you can, however their lack of knowledge on the subject of science and politics has made it hard for them to convince me. So once again I turn to the internet, I want to hear the logic and science behind switching genders.

OK, so what research have you done on the matter?

That’s what I’m here to ask you about.
Scientifically, it’s a very well known fact that people can’t switch genders, I’m here so you can scientifically disprove that fact.

[Vassenor]

OK, so what research have you done on the matter?

That’s what I’m here to ask you about.
Scientifically, it’s a very well known fact that people can’t switch genders, I’m here so you can scientifically disprove that fact.

"I believe this, prove me wrong" isn't how you debate, for one.

For another, "switching genders" is not a thing for the very simple reason that that's not what trans people do. Making my body match my actual gender is not a switch of genders.

[Socialist States of Ludistan]

Making my body match my actual gender is not a switch of genders.

Okay, now I see, if this is the argument you have, I’m just gonna leave.
You know that you’re in the wrong, when both science and religion disagrees with you.

[Zul-ar]

Hello there, I’m a firm believer in science, and for that reason I do not believe that people can just switch genders, no matter what they feel like. However I know many people who believe you can, however their lack of knowledge on the subject of science and politics has made it hard for them to convince me. So once again I turn to the internet, I want to hear the logic and science behind switching genders.

This is a good article to read, it cites many studies that show that trans people have brains more similar to the gender they identify with and not their biological sex.

I'd also recommend checking out the OPs of the previous TDTs, they have a lot of useful information.

BTW, the word gender is largely used to refer to what someone identifies as, while the word sex is used to refer to what they were borne as.

[Vassenor]

Making my body match my actual gender is not a switch of genders.

Okay, now I see, if this is the argument you have, I’m just gonna leave.
You know that you’re in the wrong, when both science and religion disagrees with you.

Science you have yet to actually provide.

[Zul-ar]

That’s what I’m here to ask you about.
Scientifically, it’s a very well known fact that people can’t switch genders, I’m here so you can scientifically disprove that fact.

"I believe this, prove me wrong" isn't how you debate, for one.

Vass makes a good point here, this is NSG and not r/changemyview.

If you want to prove you're right about something, you also have a burden of proof. Meaning, you need to actually prove you're correct, and not just disprove someone else. I'd also like to see you cite some sources.

Making my body match my actual gender is not a switch of genders.

Okay, now I see, if this is the argument you have, I’m just gonna leave.
You know that you’re in the wrong, when both science and religion disagrees with you.

Lol, you do know science disproves religion, right? But that's a topic for another thread.

[Socialist States of Ludistan]

Okay, now I see, if this is the argument you have, I’m just gonna leave.
You know that you’re in the wrong, when both science and religion disagrees with you.

Science you have yet to actually provide.

I do not have to prove a well-known fact.

Lol, you do know science disproves religion, right? But that's a topic for another thread.

Of course I do, I’m an atheist.

[The New California Republic]

Making my body match my actual gender is not a switch of genders.

Okay, now I see, if this is the argument you have, I’m just gonna leave.
You know that you’re in the wrong, when both science and religion disagrees with you.

So in other words your entire presence here is just to say that Trans people are wrong? It literally says this in the OP:

It is not a place to discuss whether or not you feel their issues are valid. Thank you.

[Socialist States of Ludistan]

Okay, now I see, if this is the argument you have, I’m just gonna leave.
You know that you’re in the wrong, when both science and religion disagrees with you.

So in other words your entire presence here is just to say that Trans people are wrong? It literally says this in the OP:

It is not a place to discuss whether or not you feel their issues are valid. Thank you.

I saw, I disagreed, I left.

[The New California Republic]

So in other words your entire presence here is just to say that Trans people are wrong? It literally says this in the OP:

It is not a place to discuss whether or not you feel their issues are valid. Thank you.

I saw, I disagreed, I left.

You clearly didn't leave, as you just made that comment...

[Zul-ar]

Science you have yet to actually provide.

I do not have to prove a well-known fact.

Lol, you do know science disproves religion, right? But that's a topic for another thread.

Of course I do, I’m an atheist.

Even though most people disagree with you?

The survey included responses from 16 countries, including both the United States and Canada. The data revealed the majority of respondents not only believe society is becoming more tolerant towards transgender individuals, but that governments should do more to protect these individuals.

Overall, 70 per cent of respondents believe governments should do more to protect transgender people from discrimination, 69 per cent of respondents believe they should be allowed to undergo surgery so their body matches their identity, and 61 per cent of respondents believe transgender people should be allowed to serve in the military. (Source)

[Vassenor]

Science you have yet to actually provide.

I do not have to prove a well-known fact.

See that tells me you have no evidence supporting your positions. And you know what they say about things asserted without evidence.

[Socialist Tera]

Science you have yet to actually provide.

I do not have to prove a well-known fact.

Lol, you do know science disproves religion, right? But that's a topic for another thread.

Of course I do, I’m an atheist.

So, you don't want to change your mind and just want to play around on a chessboard like a chicken.
I wish you weren't stuck behind the times in the 19th century, soon you'll start colonising nations and going shore to shore.
Science says you are wrong by the way:
According to "The biology of homisexuality" by Brenot in 2012:
“The biological literature in this area shows that a significant proportion of this primarydeterminism is the result of biological factorsthat are present before birth, with thefollowing alteration: ‘Nothing is acquired,nothing is innate, everything interacts’
Journals:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3388783/
Books:
Sexing the Body: Gender Politics and the Construction of Sexuality
I'm scratching the surface and I already see problems. Sex is not binary, gender is not binary. I wish you would stop before you embarass yourself. I don't think you have actually done research on the subject properly.

Making my body match my actual gender is not a switch of genders.

Okay, now I see, if this is the argument you have, I’m just gonna leave.
You know that you’re in the wrong, when both science and religion disagrees with you.

Wrong. I proved you wrong with science. Now, with religion. Not every religion disagrees with transgender people. Buddhists and Hindus have a long history of accepting trans people. There have been many cultures that do not view gender on a spectrum like you do, so please do not have a modern western view on this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqEgsHG ... rldService

[Esalia]

Making my body match my actual gender is not a switch of genders.

Okay, now I see, if this is the argument you have, I’m just gonna leave.
You know that you’re in the wrong, when both science and religion disagrees with you.

Diving into a thread, throwing the weakest arguments possible out, and then diving out.

Wanna try again when you want to do more than throw worthless garbage into the thread?

[Socialist Tera]

Moving on, I'm excited. I'm going to a rally for transgender rights this Saturday in Sydney. Trans Day of Visibility March & Rally, we are fighting for:
-Kill the Bill: End Transphobia in Schools Now!
-Right to Self ID: End Birth Certificate Gatekeeping!
-Black Lives Matter: Defund the Police!
-Decriminalise Sex Work: Nationwide decriminalisation Now!

[The Blaatschapen]

Hello there, I’m a firm believer in science, and for that reason I do not believe that people can just switch genders, no matter what they feel like. However I know many people who believe you can, however their lack of knowledge on the subject of science and politics has made it hard for them to convince me. So once again I turn to the internet, I want to hear the logic and science behind switching genders.

Hey, can you please show my the science where this is not possible?

[The New California Republic]

Okay, now I see, if this is the argument you have, I’m just gonna leave.
You know that you’re in the wrong, when both science and religion disagrees with you.

Diving into a thread, throwing the weakest arguments possible out, and then diving out.

Wanna try again when you want to do more than throw worthless garbage into the thread?

If his future modus operandi here is going to revolve around "Trans people are wrong, the evidence is obvious, I'm not going to provide any" then it's probably for the best that he stays away.

[Kowani]

Pakistan sees its first transgender madrassa

A long white shawl on her head, Rani Khan gives daily Quran lessons at Pakistan’s first transgender-only madrasa, a religious school she set up herself using her life savings.

The school is an important milestone for the LGBTQ community in the Muslim-majority country, where transgender people face ostracism, even though there is no official restriction on them attending religious schools or praying at mosques.

“Most families do not accept transgender people. They throw them out of their homes. Transgender people turn to wrongdoing,” Khan, 34, said, as other transgender people, their heads similarly covered, swayed back and forth behind her, reciting verses from the Quran. Khan studied the Quran at home and attended religious schools, before opening the two-room madrasa in October.


“I’m teaching the Quran to please God, to make my life here and in the hereafter,” Khan said, explaining how the school offered a place for transgender people to worship, learn about Islam and repent for past actions.

She says the school has not received aid from the government, although some officials promised to help students find jobs. Along with some donations, Khan is teaching her students how to sew and embroider, in hopes of raising funds for the school by selling clothing.

[Zul-ar]

Okay, now I see, if this is the argument you have, I’m just gonna leave.
You know that you’re in the wrong, when both science and religion disagrees with you.

Diving into a thread, throwing the weakest arguments possible out, and then diving out.

Wanna try again when you want to do more than throw worthless garbage into the thread?

The classic hit-and-run that people with no evidence to support their arguments use.

[Auzkhia]

Pakistan sees its first transgender madrassa

A long white shawl on her head, Rani Khan gives daily Quran lessons at Pakistan’s first transgender-only madrasa, a religious school she set up herself using her life savings.

The school is an important milestone for the LGBTQ community in the Muslim-majority country, where transgender people face ostracism, even though there is no official restriction on them attending religious schools or praying at mosques.

“Most families do not accept transgender people. They throw them out of their homes. Transgender people turn to wrongdoing,” Khan, 34, said, as other transgender people, their heads similarly covered, swayed back and forth behind her, reciting verses from the Quran. Khan studied the Quran at home and attended religious schools, before opening the two-room madrasa in October.


“I’m teaching the Quran to please God, to make my life here and in the hereafter,” Khan said, explaining how the school offered a place for transgender people to worship, learn about Islam and repent for past actions.

She says the school has not received aid from the government, although some officials promised to help students find jobs. Along with some donations, Khan is teaching her students how to sew and embroider, in hopes of raising funds for the school by selling clothing.

I wonder if they accept LGB and queer trans people, not just straight/heterosexual transgender people.

They most likely do not, but they should and also get rid of their homophobic laws.