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Postby Enaia » Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:58 pm

swearing? i just think of it as letting out your ****ing feelings,amirite?

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Postby Fahran » Sat Mar 20, 2021 4:02 pm

Enaia wrote:swearing? i just think of it as letting out your ****ing feelings,amirite?

I think a healthy conversation might serve better depending on what those feelings are.

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Postby Fahran » Sat Mar 20, 2021 4:07 pm

Blue Nagia wrote:This.

Taboo words change over time. Few of us here will flinch at a "fuck" or "shit"; people don't really use the euphemism "the F-word" any more, we just say "fuck". But if someone fully writes out the N-word or the R-word, people will flinch.

Which I think makes more sense than the previous generations' way of thinking about it. Talking about sex or poop doesn't do any social harm, but demeaning someone for their race or intelligence actually has negative consequences.

It depends on what we perceive as social harm to a significant extent. All of these words are seen as demeaning both to those who employ them and to those whom they're employed against, albeit for disparate reasons. The mechanisms of social control when it comes to language have largely remained the same, at least among well-adjusted people. The response to someone throwing around the r-word is usually something along the lines of "How old are you?", "That's not okay", or "That word is offensive/inappropriate." Hypocritical Twitter hate mobs notwithstanding.

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Postby Deacarsia » Sat Mar 20, 2021 4:12 pm

I never swear or curse.
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Postby Theberstan » Sat Mar 20, 2021 4:16 pm

Well, we ought to think to ourselves... what makes a swear a swear. Anything could be a swear.

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Postby Narland » Sat Mar 20, 2021 5:31 pm

I can't answer the survey because the question is to vague for the response. Is it okay to curse (pronounce preternatural harm on someone or something else?), rarely if ever. It is okay to swear? (use unwholesome words or words in an inappropriate manner) That is contextual.

It depends on the company one keeps; to whom one wants to show care and concern (by refraining from being offensive with one's speech); to whom wants to be offensive, or show their disregard, disdain and lack of caring for others by verbal statement. Those who curse are showing their hostility to other human beings. Those who swear inappropriately are by definition being rude/impolite/uncivil. The offense depends on the politeness (political care/concern for others) that is being kept. A rude society is a vain and uncaring society, and much more easy for hatemongers to influence and control. A society that prizes the value of the meaning of words in social intercourse are showing their care and concern for the humanity of others.

Swearing with a set of "curse words" when one is uncharacteristically angry or frightened is a part of the human condition, and a sign that something untoward has happened, is happening, or is imminent. When used as an alarm to take an appropriate level of action (e.g., not hitting one's thumb with a hammer ever again) it can be beneficial. One can then take appropriate measures to control of oneself or change their course of action etc.

When it is overused, like other things not done in a fitting manner it becomes worthless and a reflection of one's lack of character. A set of words chosen ahead of time to use (in the practice of the control of one's behavior) that may be appropriate to the company one is with, or for society in general. My grandfather's generation was taught in school to select a set of words to use that weren't offensive to the general public and to use whatever words were appropriate to whomever he was with. My generation (we went to the same school) was taught no such thing. We were just told that they (the teachers) were not allowed to discuss the matter.
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Postby Fjarrej » Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:53 am

Cekovia wrote:
Fjarrej wrote:Fuck yeah, shit! 8)

why does every person on this stupid website make the exact same jokes constantly ? at least a dozen other people have made this joke in their replies to this. it's not funnier the 20th time, fyi.

Jesus, I'm sorry, I can remove my post if it offends you too much?

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Postby Kubra » Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:32 am

Fjarrej wrote:
Cekovia wrote:why does every person on this stupid website make the exact same jokes constantly ? at least a dozen other people have made this joke in their replies to this. it's not funnier the 20th time, fyi.

Jesus, I'm sorry, I can remove my post if it offends you too much?
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Postby Cereskia » Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:34 am

Holy Fuck!

I thought my forum post about cussing is dying, but, it rose like a fuckin' phoenix from the ashes!
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Postby Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 » Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:36 am

To be a tad serious, it depends on who you're talking to. I wouldn't dare to swear in front of my Nanna, but around my friends I'll use fuck like it's punctuation. Of course though I live in Australia, so our rather liberal use of profanity has probably warped my views
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Postby Cereskia » Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:37 am

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Sundiata wrote:I was told it was a sin so I just don't.


That's incorrect.

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Postby Kenzo-Cyprii » Sun Mar 21, 2021 6:35 am

I find it classless and a cheap linguistically weak attempt at forceful expression. That said, we’ve all done it.
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Postby Cekovia » Sun Mar 21, 2021 8:13 am

Fjarrej wrote:
Cekovia wrote:why does every person on this stupid website make the exact same jokes constantly ? at least a dozen other people have made this joke in their replies to this. it's not funnier the 20th time, fyi.

Jesus, I'm sorry, I can remove my post if it offends you too much?

i'm not "offended" by ur specific post just Annoyed by the general culture of this website
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Postby Zul-ar » Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:16 pm

Cekovia wrote:
Fjarrej wrote:Jesus, I'm sorry, I can remove my post if it offends you too much?

i'm not "offended" by ur specific post just Annoyed by the general culture of this website

Welcome to the culture of literally the internet.
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Postby Diarcesia » Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:23 pm

Sundiata wrote:I was told it was a sin so I just don't.

My present opinion is that swearing/cursing is only delineated as the difference between respectable (read: upper class) talk and vulgar (commoner) parlance. Is it a sin? Maybe there's a lot of overlap. The sin part however is in the sense of tearing other people down.

Like, if a married couple does the sexy time, I don't think talking dirty is a sin. After all, that's what fucking is about, right?

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Postby Zul-ar » Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:30 pm

Diarcesia wrote:
Sundiata wrote:I was told it was a sin so I just don't.

My present opinion is that swearing/cursing is only delineated as the difference between respectable (read: upper class) talk and vulgar (commoner) parlance. Is it a sin? Maybe there's a lot of overlap. The sin part however is in the sense of tearing other people down.

Like, if a married couple does the sexy time, I don't think talking dirty is a sin. After all, that's what fucking is about, right?

It's a sin. Here are some Biblical quotes:
Ephesians 4:29, MSG wrote:Watch the way you talk. Let nothing foul or dirty come out of your mouth. Say only what helps, each word a gift.

Ephesians 5:3-4, NIRV wrote:There should not be even a hint of sexual sin among you. Don’t do anything impure. And do not always want more and more. These are not the things God’s holy people should do. There must not be any bad language or foolish talk or dirty jokes. They are out of place. Instead, you should give thanks.

Cursing is at the very least discouraged by the Bible.
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Postby Diarcesia » Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:31 pm

Zul-ar wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:My present opinion is that swearing/cursing is only delineated as the difference between respectable (read: upper class) talk and vulgar (commoner) parlance. Is it a sin? Maybe there's a lot of overlap. The sin part however is in the sense of tearing other people down.

Like, if a married couple does the sexy time, I don't think talking dirty is a sin. After all, that's what fucking is about, right?

It's a sin. Here are some Biblical quotes:
Ephesians 4:29, MSG wrote:Watch the way you talk. Let nothing foul or dirty come out of your mouth. Say only what helps, each word a gift.

Ephesians 5:3-4, NIRV wrote:There should not be even a hint of sexual sin among you. Don’t do anything impure. And do not always want more and more. These are not the things God’s holy people should do. There must not be any bad language or foolish talk or dirty jokes. They are out of place. Instead, you should give thanks.

Cursing is at the very least discouraged by the Bible.

The more complicated part is, what exactly is a curse? A hundred years ago, "damn" is verboten in American discourse afaik. Heck, when I was younger, I thought "stupid" is a cuss word.

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Zul-ar wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:My present opinion is that swearing/cursing is only delineated as the difference between respectable (read: upper class) talk and vulgar (commoner) parlance. Is it a sin? Maybe there's a lot of overlap. The sin part however is in the sense of tearing other people down.

Like, if a married couple does the sexy time, I don't think talking dirty is a sin. After all, that's what fucking is about, right?

It's a sin. Here are some Biblical quotes:
Ephesians 4:29, MSG wrote:Watch the way you talk. Let nothing foul or dirty come out of your mouth. Say only what helps, each word a gift.

Ephesians 5:3-4, NIRV wrote:There should not be even a hint of sexual sin among you. Don’t do anything impure. And do not always want more and more. These are not the things God’s holy people should do. There must not be any bad language or foolish talk or dirty jokes. They are out of place. Instead, you should give thanks.

Cursing is at the very least discouraged by the Bible.

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Postby Zul-ar » Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:40 pm

Diarcesia wrote:
Zul-ar wrote:It's a sin. Here are some Biblical quotes:


Cursing is at the very least discouraged by the Bible.

The more complicated part is, what exactly is a curse? A hundred years ago, "damn" is verboten in American discourse afaik. Heck, when I was younger, I thought "stupid" is a cuss word.

The list changes over time.

The Bible doesn't use the word cursing, though. It specifically forbids anything "foul or dirty" and "bad language or foolish talk or dirty jokes." Anything that falls under that umbrella is a no-no, and pretty much all cursing does.
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Postby Tsaivao » Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:42 pm

Kenzo-Cyprii wrote:I find it classless and a cheap linguistically weak attempt at forceful expression. That said, we’ve all done it.

You find it classless? Damn, maybe I should say some more fucking curse words to get this revolutionary shit underway quicker.

I also don't understand this "cheap linguistically weak attempt at forceful expression." If anything, cursing is the epitome of force, the weapons of mass destruction in a language to exemplify just how severe your emotions are. It's not the sharpened sticks of a primitive-minded savage, but the razor-tipped blades of what this article claims is the sign of someone with a greater control over their own language.

The whole "classless swearing" misconception is a combination of the history of English ("shit" "fuck" and others were the Anglo-Saxon words for their more elegant Romance counterparts like "defecate" and "copulate." In Old and sometimes Middle English, those words were literally the terms one would use to describe those actions; the only negative connotation that they had was what they were referring to, but it had nothing to do with the manners of the speaker) as well as some generalized classist crap that pervades most of human history.

As someone who proudly uses his Anglo-Saxon vocabulary, especially while playing Mount and Blade, I think that your attempt to describe swearing is lackluster at best.
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Postby Katganistan » Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:42 pm

I find it hilarious when I have to remind my students that there is a time and place for everything, and in school or at work in an office generally is a poor choice of where to swear.

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I then have to explain to them that no, I never curse in the classroom, but have someone cut me off on the highway and you'll smell ozone after I'm done.

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Postby Cereskia » Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:50 am

stupid religion and parents telling us what to do
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