Swiss voters approve facial covering ban

[Fahran]

based on what i've seen from conservative elites here in the US and in Europe, the average ones tend to just be more honest and less eloquent about their beliefs
perhaps that will not hold everywhere, but i am skeptical

I think that's true of any place, though I wouldn't ascribe dishonesty to most intellectual sorts. They simply make more sophisticated and wordy arguments as a rule, whether liberal, conservative, Islamist, nationalist, or socialist. They tend to think in more abstract terms as well.

you just gave me a 200-page dissertation
the only reason i'm not reading it is because i've gone through a shitton of data today and my mind is tired

You should rest more.

assuming for a moment that society does not entirely collapse
trends indicate that if anything, the paradigm will only shift further "left"
demographics is not necessarily destiny, but it is a substantial component

Perhaps for a few generations and in some places but that will not last forever. I do think the neoliberal outlook will become less popular in the next century since it has been extended as often by military imposition or economic domination as it has by knowing acceptance by political communities. A multipolar world will be a less neoliberal world and, likely, a less socially liberal world.

[Kowani]

based on what i've seen from conservative elites here in the US and in Europe, the average ones tend to just be more honest and less eloquent about their beliefs
perhaps that will not hold everywhere, but i am skeptical

I think that's true of any place, though I wouldn't ascribe dishonesty to most intellectual sorts. They simply make more sophisticated and wordy arguments as a rule, whether liberal, conservative, Islamist, nationalist, or socialist. They tend to think in more abstract terms as well.

i would disagree with this, but then we'd really be off track
...that seems to happen often

you just gave me a 200-page dissertation
the only reason i'm not reading it is because i've gone through a shitton of data today and my mind is tired

You should rest more.

"i prefer not to"

assuming for a moment that society does not entirely collapse
trends indicate that if anything, the paradigm will only shift further "left"
demographics is not necessarily destiny, but it is a substantial component

Perhaps for a few generations and in some places but that will not last forever. I do think the neoliberal outlook will become less popular in the next century since it has been extended as often by military imposition or economic domination as it has by knowing acceptance by political communities. A multipolar world will be a less neoliberal world and, likely, a less socially liberal world.

neoliberalism? oh yeah no that's doomed-though i suspect that unravelling the institutions of it will take much longer than dismantling the actual worldview as an active player
social liberalism as a whole? that one, not so certain
it balances on the edge of a knife, waiting for the wind to push it either way

[The Alma Mater]

assuming for a moment that society does not entirely collapse
trends indicate that if anything, the paradigm will only shift further "left"
demographics is not necessarily destiny, but it is a substantial component

Based on what ? The trend has been a shift to the right for decades. Globally, "leftwingers" are currently talking about immigration and insurance ased healthcare - while they used to talk about overthrowing capitalism.

[Insaanistan]

assuming for a moment that society does not entirely collapse
trends indicate that if anything, the paradigm will only shift further "left"
demographics is not necessarily destiny, but it is a substantial component

Based on what ? The trend has been a shift to the right for decades. Globally, "leftwingers" are currently talking about immigration and insurance ased healthcare - while they used to talk about overthrowing capitalism.

I don’t think Kennedy wanted to overthrow capitalism.

[Der Zyniker]

Based on what ? The trend has been a shift to the right for decades. Globally, "leftwingers" are currently talking about immigration and insurance ased healthcare - while they used to talk about overthrowing capitalism.

I don’t think Kennedy wanted to overthrow capitalism.

Try and remember that back then even among American left-wingers anti-capitalism was a big no-no. The red scare and anti-Marx/Soviet propaganda is still felt in ripples today as anything linked to the word “socialism” still causes an uproar among a heavy majority of the population.

EDIT: Even among the Democratic Party of that period there was a stigma from being related to or sympathizing with Marxism, from my understanding.

[Fahran]

Based on what ? The trend has been a shift to the right for decades. Globally, "leftwingers" are currently talking about immigration and insurance ased healthcare - while they used to talk about overthrowing capitalism.

I don’t think Kennedy wanted to overthrow capitalism.

^ This. Kennedy literally put multiple hits out on Castro, attempted at least one failed coup, and stared down the Soviets in the Cuban Missile Crisis. He also escalated in Vietnam. The man was a stalwart anti-communist and anti-socialist. He was a progressive, but, up until recently, most progressives were not amenable to socialism. Wilson and Roosevelt certainly weren't.

[Shamhnan Insir]

Brought to a public vote in the pandemic it was always going to succeed.
1- because it effects a tiny fraction of the population, so the scope on it doesn't reach many people
2 - the vast majority of people don't see it as an issue worth voting on and therefore it passes based on the motivations of the few


A lot of these initiatives come and go, sometimes frighteningly close to succeeding with 0 real conceptual thought behind them.