Bethany Christian Services Extends LGBT Policy Nationwide

[Sundiata]

Kudos to Bethany Christian Services. Faith-based organizations have no business engaging in discriminitory practices, and it's high time that they figured it out.

LGBT rights are humans rights, and religiously-motivated tyranny is still tyranny.

TBH, they are a private company. They have a right to refuse service to anyone, thogu I am happy that they have decided this

Well no, there are limitations on what private companies can do. Discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is unconstitutional.

[Cekovia]

any organism should have a drive to have offspring or its genes will die off. not wanting kids when u could have them is decreasing ur biological fitness & that means something's Wrong with u !

Uh, wow. As a bio major... so many things wrong here I'm genuinely not sure where to start.

im a bio major too (with published research) so u should Check ur tone !

Okay, let's talk "fitness", shall we? As far as humans go, our fitness... well, its generally not that great. If you're saying that anything that decreases fitness (defined by the textbook I just popped open for the purposes of writing this post as "the behaviors of individuals striving to maximize their reproductive success")

i'd be interested in hearing what textbook u grabbed that from because that's not an accurate definition of darwinian fitness, which is a measure of what amount of the next generation's gene pool consists of your own genes and doesn't concern itself with the behavior of an individual in itself.

well, sorry to everyone who's in a dedicated monogamous relationship... according to Cekovia something's wrong with you. Waiting until marriage? Something's wrong with you. Not a fan of hookup culture? Something's wrong with you!

ok yes i might want to clarify that i mean Zero fitness is produced by the lack of a desire to have children and that means u've got a screw loose. but regardless waiting until marriage has absolutely no inherent effect on fitness, if anna chooses to have reproductive sex with joseph once and then get married and has two more kids that is not different at all from anna choosing to have reproductive sex with joseph three times after marriage in terms of its contribution to the future gene pool, so long as they're getting married at a reasonable age and she remains fertile throughout this time span. also hookup culture is almost entirely non-reproductive because the point of it is to have sex without offspring so again choosing not to engage in hookup culture reduces ur fitness very minimally at most, and any offspring produced by it would probably be aborted or end up in a less reliable home environment where they would be more likely to end up becoming an evolutionary dead end.

but either way reducing ur fitness a little bit on a moral basis is not equivalent to reducing ur fitness to 0 on the basis of doomerism

And if you're implying that choosing not to reproduce is somehow harming the human species; first off, we have an overpopulation problem, so probably best not to dismiss that.

did not make that argument ?

Second of all, in both wild and captive populations homosexual couples have been observed adopting the abandoned or orphaned offspring of other couples. In doing so, greater species diversity is maintained, a key component of ensuring a healthy and stable population. In short, if you're going to argue biology, please open a biology textbook first.

what does this have to do with anything i just said?

[Kannap]

Worth pointing out the biology of reproduction and the desire to reproduce are neither the topic of this thread.

[Cekovia]

Worth pointing out the biology of reproduction and the desire to reproduce are neither the topic of this thread.

threadjacking rules r stupid & inhibit the natural flow of human conversation. nearly every single non-megathread has this reminder in it because of the fact that this is literally how conversation works. the m*ds really need to reconsider that rule

[Alcala-Cordel]

Hot take: Religious Private organizations should not be permitted to have custody over children.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Hot take: Religious Private organizations should not be permitted to have custody over children.

Not really a hot take because I actually agree with you.

[Kannap]

Worth pointing out the biology of reproduction and the desire to reproduce are neither the topic of this thread.

threadjacking rules r stupid & inhibit the natural flow of human conversation. nearly every single non-megathread has this reminder in it because of the fact that this is literally how conversation works. the m*ds really need to reconsider that rule

I'm sure they've reconsidered the rule a number of times, that's why its still here. Nobody's stopping you from talking about this, you've got a whole forum at your fingertips and have the ability to create threads.

[Cekovia]

threadjacking rules r stupid & inhibit the natural flow of human conversation. nearly every single non-megathread has this reminder in it because of the fact that this is literally how conversation works. the m*ds really need to reconsider that rule

I'm sure they've reconsidered the rule a number of times, that's why its still here. Nobody's stopping you from talking about this, you've got a whole forum at your fingertips and have the ability to create threads.

creating threads is annoyig and this topic is a small enough related strand of conversation that a new thread on it would die out in a page bc again it's a smaller subject related to the overall theme of this thread

[Maluhiaa]

At an individual level it is absolutely a dumb thing from a biological perspective to not want to have any biological children of your own. Cek never mentioned anything about relationship structure either because nature has rewarded both monogamous and and non-monogamous structures. Humans ourselves sit on a razor thin line between being naturally inclined towards monogamy and polygyny for what it is worth.
Both Cek and I are also biology majors before you go on banging that textbook.

Cekovia made an illogical oversimplification regarding "fitness", a concept they seem to fail to comprehend. My point was not to debate about relationship structure, it was to explain that to say doing anything that does not directly benefit your individual fitness means there's something wrong with you makes absolutely no sense. If Cekovia is genuinely a bio major, it may serve them to do some review.

[Cekovia]

At an individual level it is absolutely a dumb thing from a biological perspective to not want to have any biological children of your own. Cek never mentioned anything about relationship structure either because nature has rewarded both monogamous and and non-monogamous structures. Humans ourselves sit on a razor thin line between being naturally inclined towards monogamy and polygyny for what it is worth.
Both Cek and I are also biology majors before you go on banging that textbook.

Cekovia made an illogical oversimplification regarding "fitness", a concept they seem to fail to comprehend. My point was not to debate about relationship structure, it was to explain that to say doing anything that does not directly benefit your individual fitness means there's something wrong with you makes absolutely no sense. If Cekovia is genuinely a bio major, it may serve them to do some review.

which again wasn't what i was arguing. consider avoiding this degree of smugness until u learn to read

[Maluhiaa]

Apologies to those complaining of threadjacking, I think I've made my point and will discontinue my participation in this thread.

[Sundiata]

Hot take: Religious Private organizations should not be permitted to have custody over children.

Both public and private organizations should be permitted to act with autonomy. This is the best way to address the worst possible disparities.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Hot take: Religious Private organizations should not be permitted to have custody over children.

Both public and private organizations should be permitted to act with autonomy. This is the best way to address the worst possible disparities.

I wouldn't trust many Christian orgs to act autonomously, as some have violated people's rights.

[Reploid Productions]

normal non-broken humans with biological drives to have children who don't want the human race to die off, i would presume

not wanting kids when u could have them is decreasing ur biological fitness & that means something's Wrong with u !

im saying theres a screw loose in ur brain

that means u've got a screw loose.

"New account who dis?" doesn't magically wipe away your warning record, Cekoviu. *** One week ban for trolling/flaming. ***

[Alcala-Cordel]

Hot take: Religious Private organizations should not be permitted to have custody over children.

Both public and private organizations should be permitted to act with autonomy. This is the best way to address the worst possible disparities.

"Private organizations" of that sort shouldn't exist at all.

[Sundiata]

Both public and private organizations should be permitted to act with autonomy. This is the best way to address the worst possible disparities.

I wouldn't trust many Christian orgs to act autonomously, as some have violated people's rights.

I would say the same for most of the world's governments.

[Alcala-Cordel]

I wouldn't trust many Christian orgs to act autonomously, as some have violated people's rights.

I would say the same for most of the world's governments.

I would say the same for all of the world's current governments except the Zapatista municipalities and maybe some of the better parts of Rojava.

[Sjovakt]

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[Sundiata]

I would say the same for most of the world's governments.

I would say the same for all of the world's current governments except the Zapatista municipalities and maybe some of the better parts of Rojava.

I don't think that environments which propagate communism are good for young people. It's ok to learn about, but when you're older. In my opinion it's the type of stuff that threatens order and the stability of society.

[Alcala-Cordel]

I would say the same for all of the world's current governments except the Zapatista municipalities and maybe some of the better parts of Rojava.

I don't think that environment which propagate communism are good for young people. It's ok to learn about, but when you're older. In my opinion it's the type of stuff that threatens order.

I'd say inclusive communities that distribute resources to all in need would be great for young people. Being impoverished/homeless is what's not okay.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Hot take: Religious Private organizations should not be permitted to have custody over children.

So what alternative do you propose? Government monopoly over adoption services?

[Reploid Productions]

*Shouldn't. They shouldn't even deserve rights, and by putting them in camps, they will just have sex in their cells, so the only solution is execution, a solution which is pretty final, but needed.

*** Sjovakt, WARNED for trolling. *** Consult the site rules immediately, because posts like this will grant you a very short road to deletion.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Hot take: Religious Private organizations should not be permitted to have custody over children.

So what alternative do you propose? Government monopoly over adoption services?

I agree about religious orgs not having control over adoption services. Only governments and secular charities should.

[Sundiata]

I don't think that environment which propagate communism are good for young people. It's ok to learn about, but when you're older. In my opinion it's the type of stuff that threatens order.

I'd say inclusive communities that distribute resources to all in need would be great for young people. Being impoverished/homeless is what's not okay.

Absolutely, but the problem with communist communities is that they don't produce enough wealth to distribute. You've got to have the division of labor, open trade, charities, and government programs to reach the poor. A joke. Two Soviets are starving and waiting in a bread line. One starts to complain. The other hushes them and says, "In America they don't even have breadlines!"

If history teaches anything it's that we shouldn't squander our freedom to do business.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Hot take: Religious Private organizations should not be permitted to have custody over children.

So what alternative do you propose? Government monopoly over adoption services?

Yes, with increased funding.