French Politics Thread I: Borne to be wild

[Arisyan]

Hey, just out of curiosity, how many votes did the PA win in the first round. I can't seem to find the total published but they did run a significant amount of candidates independently it appears.

[Ariddia]

Hey, just out of curiosity, how many votes did the PA win in the first round. I can't seem to find the total published but they did run a significant amount of candidates independently it appears.

Hi. The Parti animaliste ran in about two-thirds of constituencies, and averaged just over 1.5 %. We were hampered by the fact that the party had no money to send its platform to voters by Post, contrary to the major parties, so most voters weren't aware that there would be an animaliste candidate in their constituency. In the very few areas where the party did send its platform by Post, it topped 3 % of the votes.

[Kilobugya]

So yesterday was the election of the vice-presidents and "questeurs" (they have an important role in handling the budget of the Assembly) of the new Assemblée Nationale... and the macronists preferred to vote for RN (extreme right) candidates rather than Nupes (left) one. So much for being "neither left nor right" and for being the "fortified wall against extremism" they pretended to be... Macron is showing his true face, as we already knew from their campaign between the two rounds of the legislative elections, they prefer the fascists over the left. "Rather Hitler than Front Populaire" all over again, the bourgeoisie will never change.

[Phoenii]

^ i live in italy and i do not share the knowledge to comment. despite apparent relative continuous decline, what a merry wish if italy was france when it comes at countries, society politics economics.

well, when it comes at countries “presidentialism” apart. which is quite popular in italy as a foreign suggestion. still i despise it, and it is the only thing i do not wish italy to import for her better good.

well, the true inspiration is dream of not beeing fully-coated plagued of ‘amoral familism’ disease: true reason why france is colonial powerhouse, and place that may choose her destiny, and italy is not.

it may seem the clock marks too late, for italy, as environment and soil has been devastated and climate gone too far. myself went too far in present argument, also.

here you have got ‘questori’, perhaps same as ‘questeurs’, i deeply doubt they mean some substantially. they may also be part of a barter, still they never mean an achieved bargain.

so i suppose the true negotiations will curtain the meat for long. _Kilobuia: at least in italy, i do not doubt how often institutional government figures have nefarious, regime tendendies.

nevertheless i often judge opposition figures often share same ambiguous, opportunistic tendencies. so i’m filled with rage toward both sides.

realistical frame should be vast agreement between institutional government figures and society opposition figures, to say between conservative ‘center’ and opposition socialist-footprint ‘center-left’.

in italy, i begin to see also in france, such becomes increasingly difficult because of ineptitude and caprice of two sides. at the end of the tragegy, both of them sign under-table tasks with moderate scum.

sample given, ambiguous reference not to act against russian regime may be read as implicit agreement with moderate ‘center-right’ scum, same as government comments may cheer labour repression.

your official opposition often is not any better than government clerks, at least in italy, they both fake crying and they wait for ‘center-right’ to impose itself, so that you keep your private lawn.

if your self declared commoners ‘hate’ us good born people, more than the clarity of mind to see it is not how it works. at the end, yours compromise with regime to fend off us.

and that way, the profiteer’s strata continue to thrive, and the freshly come people soon absorbes the vices of the old people, because of the administrave frame had not changed.

[Ariddia]

So yesterday was the election of the vice-presidents and "questeurs" (they have an important role in handling the budget of the Assembly) of the new Assemblée Nationale... and the macronists preferred to vote for RN (extreme right) candidates rather than Nupes (left) one. So much for being "neither left nor right" and for being the "fortified wall against extremism" they pretended to be... Macron is showing his true face, as we already knew from their campaign between the two rounds of the legislative elections, they prefer the fascists over the left. "Rather Hitler than Front Populaire" all over again, the bourgeoisie will never change.

The behaviour of Macron and his government is disgustingly hypocritical, opportunistic and unprincipled.

He was elected President by default, because left-wing voters massively mobilised and voted for him solely to keep his far-right opponent out of office. A majority of French people did not and do not support him nor his policies. Yet, having been re-elected, he and his government claimed their victory showed majority endorsement for how they plan to govern.

Then for the parliamentary elections, he saw the threat to his power came more from the left than from the far right, so he and his government began, out of the blue, to claim over and over and over that the mainstream left and the centre-left are dangerous extremists, beyond the pale and equivalent to the far right. By refusing a Republican Front of democratic parties against the far right, he facilitated and enabled a surge of far-right representation in Parliament. And once that had happened, members of his party began to talk about possibly working with the far-right but not with the left.

He disgusts me beyond words.

[Kilobugya]

The behaviour of Macron and his government is disgustingly hypocritical, opportunistic and unprincipled.

He was elected President by default, because left-wing voters massively mobilised and voted for him solely to keep his far-right opponent out of office. A majority of French people did not and do not support him nor his policies. Yet, having been re-elected, he and his government claimed their victory showed majority endorsement for how they plan to govern.

Then for the parliamentary elections, he saw the threat to his power came more from the left than from the far right, so he and his government began, out of the blue, to claim over and over and over that the mainstream left and the centre-left are dangerous extremists, beyond the pale and equivalent to the far right. By refusing a Republican Front of democratic parties against the far right, he facilitated and enabled a surge of far-right representation in Parliament. And once that had happened, members of his party began to talk about possibly working with the far-right but not with the left.

He disgusts me beyond words.

I fully share your sentiments on that... I was never expecting much decency from Macron, but he managed to do even much worse than I expected... bleak future ahead for France.

[Diuhon]

i was shocked that le front gained as many seats as it did, but was macron openly in alliance with le pen's fucktoys before the elections?

[Thermodolia]

i was shocked that le front gained as many seats as it did, but was macron openly in alliance with le pen's fucktoys before the elections?

No. But they are open to working with them or UDC. Either one would get them over the majority

[Kilobugya]

i was shocked that le front gained as many seats as it did, but was macron openly in alliance with le pen's fucktoys before the elections?

They were not so openly allying with Le Pen, but they were focusing all their attacks against the left (Nupes), claiming we were the danger for the Republic, especially between the two rounds of the election.

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

i was shocked that le front gained as many seats as it did, but was macron openly in alliance with le pen's fucktoys before the elections?

They were not so openly allying with Le Pen, but they were focusing all their attacks against the left (Nupes), claiming we were the danger for the Republic, especially between the two rounds of the election.

Because the leftists are there main opposition, they have more in common with Le Pen than with the leftists.

[Arisyan]

The REV's ideas correspond to what an ideal society should be, in terms of human well-being and respect for animals' fundamental interests. You can read their proposals here (in French). But they're much too far in advance of what people are willing to accept, as they would imply deep transformations of many aspects of society. In short, they're utopian and currently unrealistic.

I suppose it's good that those ideas are out there in the public debate, but they don't equate to immediate practical measures which are needed for realistic gradual change.

I wish Aymeric Caron well in the constituency he's the NUPES candidate in, but he has absolutely no hope of winning it.

By the way, Aymeric Caron is running for Paris's 18th constituency if other people didn't know, which is currently held by Pierre-Yves Bournazel, member of the "reformist" right-wing Horizons.

Just noticed this, but Aymeric actually managed to defy all odds and win the constituency by a margin of around 2%. It'll be interesting having a radical vegan party in Parliament, that's for sure.

[Meadowfields]

By the way, Aymeric Caron is running for Paris's 18th constituency if other people didn't know, which is currently held by Pierre-Yves Bournazel, member of the "reformist" right-wing Horizons.

Just noticed this, but Aymeric actually managed to defy all odds and win the constituency by a margin of around 2%. It'll be interesting having a radical vegan party in Parliament, that's for sure.

Yeah, he did. It would really be interesting.
Also, I noticed that the second rounds in Haute-Garonne's 6th constituency and Seine-et-Marne's 8th constituency were extremely close. Both were between NUPES and Ensemble candidates, and both of the NUPES candidates (one PS, one EELV) lost by a margin of only four votes.

[Ariddia]

Just noticed this, but Aymeric actually managed to defy all odds and win the constituency by a margin of around 2%. It'll be interesting having a radical vegan party in Parliament, that's for sure.

It's certainly unexpected. He'll be sitting on the LFI benches, so he'll presumably need to tow that party's line rather than his own, but LFI is relatively progressive (on paper, at least) on issues of animals well-being. Mélenchon is the only major political figure to have emphasised the inhumanity of industrial animal farming, the weight of meat production on environmental damage and climate change, and the fact that Covid-19 is -like all pandemics- a zoonosis, an illness caused by human exploitation of animals or human intrusion into animal environments.

As far as I'm aware, Caron is the first vegan member of the National Assembly, although there have been a few vegetarians (Cédric Villani, Bastien Lachaud...).

[Mushrome]

So yesterday was the election of the vice-presidents and "questeurs" (they have an important role in handling the budget of the Assembly) of the new Assemblée Nationale... and the macronists preferred to vote for RN (extreme right) candidates rather than Nupes (left) one. So much for being "neither left nor right" and for being the "fortified wall against extremism" they pretended to be... Macron is showing his true face, as we already knew from their campaign between the two rounds of the legislative elections, they prefer the fascists over the left. "Rather Hitler than Front Populaire" all over again, the bourgeoisie will never change.

The behaviour of Macron and his government is disgustingly hypocritical, opportunistic and unprincipled.

He was elected President by default, because left-wing voters massively mobilised and voted for him solely to keep his far-right opponent out of office. A majority of French people did not and do not support him nor his policies. Yet, having been re-elected, he and his government claimed their victory showed majority endorsement for how they plan to govern.

Then for the parliamentary elections, he saw the threat to his power came more from the left than from the far right, so he and his government began, out of the blue, to claim over and over and over that the mainstream left and the centre-left are dangerous extremists, beyond the pale and equivalent to the far right. By refusing a Republican Front of democratic parties against the far right, he facilitated and enabled a surge of far-right representation in Parliament. And once that had happened, members of his party began to talk about possibly working with the far-right but not with the left.

He disgusts me beyond words.

I hope Mélanchon goes scorhced earth on him