French Politics Thread I: Borne to be wild

[Meadowfields]

Now the PS has joined the Nouvelle Union populaire écologique et sociale

[Meadowfields]

And of course, the NPA objects, going against the whole point of the coalition

[Falafelandia]

Definitely support Macron. Glad to have a centrist in power. I consider Le Pen a racist, pro-putin, facist. I consider Melenchon a Communist and a eurosceptic.

[Meadowfields]

And of course, the NPA objects, going against the whole point of the coalition

But Benoît Hamon (PS candidate in 2017) and Ségolène Royal (minister from 2012-2017) approve, while François Hollande (president from 2012-2017), Bernard Cazeneuve (prime minister from 2012-2017, he left the party shortly afterward), and the Radical Party of the Left disapprove.

[Meadowfields]

Definitely support Macron. Glad to have a centrist in power. I consider Le Pen a racist, pro-putin, facist. I consider Melenchon a Communist and a eurosceptic.

Macron is a neoliberal, not a centrist. The Alliance centriste (they support him though) fits the "centrist" label better.

[Arisyan]

And of course, the NPA objects, going against the whole point of the coalition

But Benoît Hamon (PS candidate in 2017) and Ségolène Royal (minister from 2012-2017) approve, while François Hollande (president from 2012-2017), Bernard Cazeneuve (prime minister from 2012-2017, he left the party shortly afterward), and the Radical Party of the Left disapprove.

Ironic that the Radical Party of the Left is neither radical nor left-wing, but yeah sure commit political suicide like that. Go ahead, I won't miss you.

Also, Melanchon put it very nicely when he called Cazeneuve and Hollande "has-beens", because they are. The PS is dead in it's current form, they have no future on their own. They now have to rely on the support of other parties to remain at least mildly relevant. Also curious that the NPA of all parties decided not to join, but it's not like they're very influential either.

[Meadowfields]

But Benoît Hamon (PS candidate in 2017) and Ségolène Royal (minister from 2012-2017) approve, while François Hollande (president from 2012-2017), Bernard Cazeneuve (prime minister from 2012-2017, he left the party shortly afterward), and the Radical Party of the Left disapprove.

Ironic that the Radical Party of the Left is neither radical nor left-wing, but yeah sure commit political suicide like that. Go ahead, I won't miss you.

Also, Melanchon put it very nicely when he called Cazeneuve and Hollande "has-beens", because they are. The PS is dead in it's current form, they have no future on their own. They now have to rely on the support of other parties to remain at least mildly relevant. (This also reminds me of a certain French political party...)

Hollande was so economically right that Marine Le Pen is even economically left of him.

[Meadowfields]

I don't know what other party you're talking about but I guess it might still be the PS.

[Meadowfields]

Also, I think the NPA is still undergoing negotiations, they just objected to the inclusion of PS. I personally support Hamon's Génération·s (also in the coalition), even though it's not that relevant it's probably the party that most matches my views.

[Big Bad Blue]

Cre nom de Zeus, Macron won.

You're lagging a bit, but it's okay Macron won the presidential election, but with the union of the left ("NUPES") the left now has a chance to deny him a majority in the Assembly, making him unable to push his policies. The government must be approved by the Assembly, so if the left has a majority in it, we'll have a left-wing government. It's done yet, and legislative elections are very hard to predict, but there is a light of hope !

Hadn't noticed that the thread had moved on, my bad. As long as there's no chance of actual honest-to-Zeus fascists taking power my advice to the French left is Danton's "de l'audace, et encore de l'audace et toujours de l'audace!"

[Ariddia]

I consider Melenchon a Communist and a eurosceptic.

He's definitely not a communist. If anything, I suppose he's an eco-socialist, in the traditional meaning of the word "socialist".

And he's eurosceptic only in the sense that he opposes the EU's rules preventing member states from taking progressive action on public services, social welfare and the environment which would be incompatible with the EU's centre-right economic doxa.

Also, Melanchon put it very nicely when he called Cazeneuve and Hollande "has-beens", because they are.

Hollande basically destroyed the PS, which makes him singularly ill-placed to try to lecture on its survival today.

[Kilobugya]

Definitely support Macron. Glad to have a centrist in power. I consider Le Pen a racist, pro-putin, facist. I consider Melenchon a Communist and a eurosceptic.

Macron is not a centrist by any kind. He's much more of a Tatcherian neoliberal with authoritarian tendencies, that is focused on dismantling wokers' protection and our social system.

You're right about Le Pen.

Mélenchon is "eurosceptic" but he has nothing of a communist. He's more of a very moderate social-democrat on his proposed economical policies.

[Kilobugya]

And of course, the NPA objects, going against the whole point of the coalition

But Benoît Hamon (PS candidate in 2017) and Ségolène Royal (minister from 2012-2017) approve, while François Hollande (president from 2012-2017), Bernard Cazeneuve (prime minister from 2012-2017, he left the party shortly afterward), and the Radical Party of the Left disapprove.

Basically the right-wing of the PS disagrees. Those are responsible (among others) of the disastrous Hollande presidency and of bringing the PS from the most powerful party of France (in 2012, they controlled the Presidency, both Assemblies, a majority of Regions and most major cities) to a party scoring below 2% on the presidential election.

[Meadowfields]

But Benoît Hamon (PS candidate in 2017) and Ségolène Royal (minister from 2012-2017) approve, while François Hollande (president from 2012-2017), Bernard Cazeneuve (prime minister from 2012-2017, he left the party shortly afterward), and the Radical Party of the Left disapprove.

Basically the right-wing of the PS disagrees. Those are responsible (among others) of the disastrous Hollande presidency and of bringing the PS from the most powerful party of France (in 2012, they controlled the Presidency, both Assemblies, a majority of Regions and most major cities) to a party scoring below 2% on the presidential election.

Wasn't Macron also part of the Hollande government?

[Thermodolia]

Basically the right-wing of the PS disagrees. Those are responsible (among others) of the disastrous Hollande presidency and of bringing the PS from the most powerful party of France (in 2012, they controlled the Presidency, both Assemblies, a majority of Regions and most major cities) to a party scoring below 2% on the presidential election.

Wasn't Macron also part of the Hollande government?

Yes. As the economic minister at one point

[Kilobugya]

Wasn't Macron also part of the Hollande government?

Yes, Minister of Ecomony for the last 3 years, and he has a huge responsibility in the disaster of Hollande's presidency, but he managed to mostly hide it in 2017 and to appear (with the complicity of mass media) as someone "new".

[Michel Meilleur]

Wasn't Macron also part of the Hollande government?

Yes, Minister of Ecomony for the last 3 years, and he has a huge responsibility in the disaster of Hollande's presidency, but he managed to mostly hide it in 2017 and to appear (with the complicity of mass media) as someone "new".

It's making one wonder who they will manage to pull from their hat in 2027 to ensure a new stooge get in power.
Will we get another facho to steal votes from the fringe of Le Pen? Will it be a coco to try and wrestle some working class away from Mélenchon?
Can't wait to see who will be thrust upon us by our benevolent corporate overlords.

[Meadowfields]

It seems like a smaller party, Place Publique (social democratic and enviromentalist) has joined the Nouvelle Union populaire écologique et sociale too, while New Deal (progressivism), Republican and Socialist Left (Republican socialism), Citizen and Republican Movement (Left-wing nationalism) and some smaller parties are also undergoing negotiations.

[Meadowfields]

Oh my, LREM has changed its name to Renaissance.

[Michel Meilleur]

Oh my, LREM has changed its name to Renaissance.

Oh dear, that Renaissance looks like it's going to end up Mort-Née.

[Meadowfields]

Also, I think the NPA is still undergoing negotiations, they just objected to the inclusion of PS. I personally support Hamon's Génération·s (also in the coalition), even though it's not that relevant it's probably the party that most matches my views.

Aged like milk, the NPA is now not going to join the coalition because of the inclusion of the PS.

[Kilobugya]

Oh my, LREM has changed its name to Renaissance.

And people are already making jokes that their "reforms" are more putting us to the middle ages...

[Meadowfields]

It seems like the Nouvelle Union Populaire écologiste et sociale has a logo now, at least unofficial.
I don't know why, but the pink Nouvelle reminds me of the logo of Nouvelle Donne, a progressive party, which, coincidentally, is negotiating to join the coalition. The green écologiste/écologique is obviously EÉLV, and the orange and red probably represents LFI, PCF, PS, and two parties negotiating for the coalition (GRS and MRC).

[Meadowfields]

I've heard of almost all the parties in the Nouvelle Union Populaire écologiste et sociale except for the deep ecologist Révolution écologique pour le vivant, it seems like a particularly new one.

The REV's ideas correspond to what an ideal society should be, in terms of human well-being and respect for animals' fundamental interests. You can read their proposals here (in French). But they're much too far in advance of what people are willing to accept, as they would imply deep transformations of many aspects of society. In short, they're utopian and currently unrealistic.

I suppose it's good that those ideas are out there in the public debate, but they don't equate to immediate practical measures which are needed for realistic gradual change.

I wish Aymeric Caron well in the constituency he's the NUPES candidate in, but he has absolutely no hope of winning it.

By the way, Aymeric Caron is running for Paris's 18th constituency if other people didn't know, which is currently held by Pierre-Yves Bournazel, member of the "reformist" right-wing Horizons.

[Shrillland]

Macron selects Elisabeth Borne as PM