100 million dollars for 1,000 Years of No Abortions

[Picairn]

Answered yes because whilst we would all like to think we would say no if you actually had that much money sat in front of you with no personal strings attached and nobody would know would you really actually say no? Most people's threshold for grabbing the money is significantly below one hundred million.

It's like all the people that would have done the Russian revolution without the death and how 100% of people would have resisted the Nazis or how everybody pretends they would be the three people that first campaigned against slavery. No you wouldn't be, you would fall foul of all the same pitfalls the people back then did and you would be at a very minimum complicit in the oppression by inactivity.

You are taking the money if it was real.

Bullshit, you don't speak for me, nor for anyone else who refused money for immoral acts. How do you explain their existence?

[The New California Republic]

Force women to remain pregnant (if they were raped, or were the victims of incest, or if they couldn't afford a/another child) -- literally selling women's bodily autonomy -- for money? No fucking way.

It would be repulsive.

The most important factor here is that the ban on abortions wouldn't be permanent (it's only for 1,000 years)

"Only 1000" years.

In other words, 28 consecutive generations (one generation is 20-30 years). That's a lot of women who get fucked over.

None of the good the money bought with the betrayal of those women may hope to do could ever outweigh that damage (considering that billions have currently failed to prevent unwanted pregnancy and fix the broken foster care system)

Yes this.

[Picairn]

No one here is proclaiming to be beacons of morality. Although there are clearly people proclaiming to be beacons of amoral assholery.

All anyone is saying is that this a line to far for a sum to small.

"I won't sell my parents for money, they are the world to me."

"How dare you proclaim to be a beacon of morality! Everybody is the same, they will sell their parents for money when they are not held accountable for it!"

Moral nihilism is destructive.

[Radiatia]

What's the catch? I'm opposed to abortion (except in genuinely life-threatening situations) and I could really do with the 100 million, especially with how fast inflation is rising in my part of the world.

[The Free Joy State]

Answered yes because whilst we would all like to think we would say no if you actually had that much money sat in front of you with no personal strings attached and nobody would know would you really actually say no? Most people's threshold for grabbing the money is significantly below one hundred million.

It's like all the people that would have done the Russian revolution without the death and how 100% of people would have resisted the Nazis or how everybody pretends they would be the three people that first campaigned against slavery. No you wouldn't be, you would fall foul of all the same pitfalls the people back then did and you would be at a very minimum complicit in the oppression by inactivity.

You are taking the money if it was real.

Also this, but people on the internet love to act like beacons of morality. Humans suck, the university I went to for undergrad had to create an amnesty policy for underage drinking at parties. Why? Because a bunch of students watched a girl die of alcohol poisoning and didn't call for help out of fear they'd get in trouble. Yet I bet if you asked every one of them would claim they're totally brave enough to save a life.

Everyone -- or most everyone (I have met one person who didn't) -- has lines they wouldn't cross for any amount of money. This happens to be one of mine.

I am not saying that caring strongly about this one thing makes me less flawed than every other human being on the planet.

[Infected Mushroom]

No one here is proclaiming to be beacons of morality. Although there are clearly people proclaiming to be beacons of amoral assholery.

All anyone is saying is that this a line to far for a sum to small.

Are you saying I should increase the reward?

I want to keep it balanced (so some people would say yes while others no and be able to argue it)

[Infected Mushroom]

Answered yes because whilst we would all like to think we would say no if you actually had that much money sat in front of you with no personal strings attached and nobody would know would you really actually say no? Most people's threshold for grabbing the money is significantly below one hundred million.

It's like all the people that would have done the Russian revolution without the death and how 100% of people would have resisted the Nazis or how everybody pretends they would be the three people that first campaigned against slavery. No you wouldn't be, you would fall foul of all the same pitfalls the people back then did and you would be at a very minimum complicit in the oppression by inactivity.

You are taking the money if it was real.

My understanding is that 100 million is quite a lot. I completely understand what you're saying.

[The Free Joy State]

No one here is proclaiming to be beacons of morality. Although there are clearly people proclaiming to be beacons of amoral assholery.

All anyone is saying is that this a line to far for a sum to small.

Are you saying I should increase the reward?

I want to keep it balanced (so some people would say yes while others no and be able to argue it)

I could argue against it if it was one billion, ten billion, or one trillion.

I do not have the right to remove the bodily sovereignty of 28 generations of women -- leave them to suffer pregnancies as the result of rape or pregnancies with children they cannot raise -- for my own whims.

[Comerciante]

No one here is proclaiming to be beacons of morality. Although there are clearly people proclaiming to be beacons of amoral assholery.

All anyone is saying is that this a line to far for a sum to small.

Are you saying I should increase the reward?

I want to keep it balanced (so some people would say yes while others no and be able to argue it)

I'm in the camp that firmly believes that their is no sum of money that would make this okay.

But you would likely get more people voting yes if you did indeed increase the amount. I don't fall under the illusion that some people are fully willing to sacrifice the plight of others for the right price.

[The New California Republic]

However, no one would know the real reason you were paid.

This is a bit of a cop out.

[The Free Joy State]

However, no one would know the real reason you were paid.

This is a bit of a cop out.

Yes, really -- to make it truly balanced -- generations of women should know who to blame for their suffering.

[Picairn]

Yes, really -- to make it truly balanced -- generations of women should know who to blame for their suffering.

Anyone that suddenly won't accept the money because everyone will find out has shit morals. I won't do this travesty simply for money, being detected or not.

[Heloin]

I mean... I've read worse hypotheticals.

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I don't know if that's true but I hope it is.

[The New California Republic]

However, no one would know the real reason you were paid.

This is a bit of a cop out.

Yes, really -- to make it truly balanced -- generations of women should know who to blame for their suffering.

Becoming a pariah should be a condition of getting the money, as otherwise the pro-birth crowd have no real gamble in this scenario: they bet nothing, roll the dice and get a guaranteed payout.

[The Free Joy State]

Yes, really -- to make it truly balanced -- generations of women should know who to blame for their suffering.

Becoming a pariah should be a condition of getting the money, as otherwise the pro-birth crowd have no real gamble in this scenario: they bet nothing, roll the dice and get a guaranteed payout.

IKR. All but banning abortion and get a huge amount of money with no consequences, and getting to give women who try to abort punitive punishments (in the form of "curses"). Where exactly is the downside for those who want to ban abortion anyway?

[Ethel mermania]

I am anti abortion except to protect the life of the mother to begin with.

Time for hookers and cocaine, lots of hookers and cocaine

[The Republic of Fore]

Yes, really -- to make it truly balanced -- generations of women should know who to blame for their suffering.

Becoming a pariah should be a condition of getting the money, as otherwise the pro-birth crowd have no real gamble in this scenario: they bet nothing, roll the dice and get a guaranteed payout.

Being wealthy causes that already. The minute you don't want to give your fourth cousin twice removed a "business loan" everyone starts complaining about how selfish you are.

[Comerciante]

Becoming a pariah should be a condition of getting the money, as otherwise the pro-birth crowd have no real gamble in this scenario: they bet nothing, roll the dice and get a guaranteed payout.

Being wealthy causes that already. The minute you don't want to give your fourth cousin twice removed a "business loan" everyone starts complaining about how selfish you are.

To be fair your going to have a lot bigger problems than becoming a pariah for being rich.

Your also going to have to find some way to launder all your money before the IRS decide to kick your shit in first for not paying them their hush money.

[The Free Joy State]

I am anti abortion except to protect the life of the mother to begin with.

Time for hookers and cocaine, lots of hookers and cocaine

A copy of this page is winging it's way to Mrs. Mermania. Enjoy your 50 million dollars.

[Ethel mermania]

I am anti abortion except to protect the life of the mother to begin with.

Time for hookers and cocaine, lots of hookers and cocaine

A copy of this page is winging it's way to Mrs. Mermania. Enjoy your 50 million dollars.

She is on your side on this one. As my price is 15 million, I am still ahead of the game.

[The Republic of Fore]

Being wealthy causes that already. The minute you don't want to give your fourth cousin twice removed a "business loan" everyone starts complaining about how selfish you are.

To be fair your going to have a lot bigger problems than becoming a pariah for being rich.

Your also going to have to find some way to launder all your money before the IRS decide to kick your shit in first for not paying them their hush money.

Eh a few well timed bribes can solve that problem.

[Saiwania]

Of course I'd choose the money, I'm a male so I don't care if a great portion of womankind has to suffer on my account, when the money will help me further than most things. I bet if I had that amount that it'd grow to a trillion or so if I had the benefit of living for over 1,000 years when this expires. Would be quite the investor.

[My Political Fantasy]

What disturbing person came up with this thought experiment? Billions of future women will suffer just because I took the money.

[Picairn]

What disturbing person came up with this thought experiment? Billions of future women will suffer just because I took the money.

What's even more disturbing is that there are actual posters in the thread that would willingly take the money and have the audacity to accuse others of being moralists. This "Fuck you, I got mine" mentality is self-destructive.

[CoraSpia]

So they're going to give me 100 million dollars for something I want to happen?
Is only 1 thousand year period of no abortions legal or could I get 200 million for 2000 years if I wanted?