100 million dollars for 1,000 Years of No Abortions

[Universil-Unoyz Wintarros]

A win win. The sacrifice is negligible, two good things happen and one bad thing happens
Good: no abortion for a millenium and I am rich. Bad: rape and incest cannot be aborted.

For you, the sacrifice is "negligible". For the women and girls whose lives will be destroyed as a result of your decision... not so much. Nor for the women who will be unable to leave abusive partners due to being forced to remain pregnant.

Would you still have made the same choice if everyone who had to suffer for a thousand years knew that the reason was because you -- personally (as in knew your name and where you lived) -- opted to take money to take their rights away?

EDIT: I ask because some feel that anonymity imbalances the taking the money side, giving it no apparent negative for pro-lifers (unless The Lone Alliance is right, and it turns out that you do help bring about the birth of Satan).

Rape and incest etc. make up a minority of abortions, something like 1-2% of them in the US if i remember correctly.
What I personally vouch for (reverting back to hunting and foraging etc.) would be significantly more unfair, in that uncommon statistic occurrences such as above are not accounted for.

Are these rare cases unfair? Certainly.
Do I personally believe they ought to hinder the broad benefit? No.

Though if this debacle were less strict, I would have it so that these occurrences were accounted for.

[Novostia]

I’m neutral on the issue as it doesn’t effect me so I’ll take the money and leave, the planet would have been inhospitable due to global warming or humanity might have succumbed to nuclear war by then anyway

[UniversalCommons]

Does this include the morning after pill and does it affect birth control? Define abortion. Is there a point when a miscarriage or an induced miscarriage is not an abortion. When is the point where a fertilized egg is considered abortion?

[Luziyca]

Definitely not. If I wanted to do something horrible for my own selfish desires, I'd just make a film adaption of any one of the terrible fan fiction based off of Ayn Rand's books.

[Japerlasa]

Answered yes because whilst we would all like to think we would say no if you actually had that much money sat in front of you with no personal strings attached and nobody would know would you really actually say no? Most people's threshold for grabbing the money is significantly below one hundred million.

It's like all the people that would have done the Russian revolution without the death and how 100% of people would have resisted the Nazis or how everybody pretends they would be the three people that first campaigned against slavery. No you wouldn't be, you would fall foul of all the same pitfalls the people back then did and you would be at a very minimum complicit in the oppression by inactivity.

You are taking the money if it was real.

This.

And what's even the point of this question? To villainize honest people? This isn't something you just ask randomly for the sake of it.

[Infected Mushroom]

Answered yes because whilst we would all like to think we would say no if you actually had that much money sat in front of you with no personal strings attached and nobody would know would you really actually say no? Most people's threshold for grabbing the money is significantly below one hundred million.

It's like all the people that would have done the Russian revolution without the death and how 100% of people would have resisted the Nazis or how everybody pretends they would be the three people that first campaigned against slavery. No you wouldn't be, you would fall foul of all the same pitfalls the people back then did and you would be at a very minimum complicit in the oppression by inactivity.

You are taking the money if it was real.

This.

And what's even the point of this question? To villainize honest people? This isn't something you just ask randomly for the sake of it.

the hypothetical is intended to engage with human nature

[Nimzonia]

I think if I found out that we're all trapped in a gibberish world of nonsensical magical curses, I wouldn't give a fuck about abortions anymore. What would even be the point of caring about such things if you lived in a world where, at any moment, some random guy can be magically offered a jillion dollars by mysterious forces to completely fuck society upside down?

You might as well take the money and enjoy what time you have, because who knows what the next guy is going to be offered.

[Infected Mushroom]

I think if I found out that we're all trapped in a gibberish world of nonsensical magical curses, I wouldn't give a fuck about abortions anymore. What would even be the point of caring about such things if you lived in a world where, at any moment, some random guy can be magically offered a jillion dollars by mysterious forces to completely fuck society upside down?

You might as well take the money and enjoy what time you have, because who knows what the next guy is going to be offered.

It can be a bit unstable yes

[The Free Joy State]

I think if I found out that we're all trapped in a gibberish world of nonsensical magical curses, I wouldn't give a fuck about abortions anymore. What would even be the point of caring about such things if you lived in a world where, at any moment, some random guy can be magically offered a jillion dollars by mysterious forces to completely fuck society upside down?

You might as well take the money and enjoy what time you have, because who knows what the next guy is going to be offered.

On the other hand, if this is a world of curses, then surely there would be an opposite number who could cancel the curse. All I need is eight trusted companions and a wise old wizard who wishes to thwart the evil sprite so keen to control and curse people, and a long quest that shall be recorded for the ages.

We shall call this epic journey: Lord of the Contraceptive Rings.

[The New California Republic]

And what's even the point of this question? To villainize honest people? This isn't something you just ask randomly for the sake of it.

And as I mentioned before, the scenario is very one-sided, making it useless from the perspective of some people:

Yes, really -- to make it truly balanced -- generations of women should know who to blame for their suffering.

Becoming a pariah should be a condition of getting the money, as otherwise the pro-birth crowd have no real gamble in this scenario: they bet nothing, roll the dice and get a guaranteed payout.

[Infected Mushroom]

And what's even the point of this question? To villainize honest people? This isn't something you just ask randomly for the sake of it.

And as I mentioned before, the scenario is very one-sided, making it useless from the perspective of some people:

Becoming a pariah should be a condition of getting the money, as otherwise the pro-birth crowd have no real gamble in this scenario: they bet nothing, roll the dice and get a guaranteed payout.

They risk making the world a worse place. The social effects resulting from the new magical rules would also affect them. They also have things to lose.

[The Free Joy State]

And as I mentioned before, the scenario is very one-sided, making it useless from the perspective of some people:

They risk making the world a worse place. The social effects resulting from the new magical rules would also affect them. They also have things to lose.

If someone is an ardent pro-lifer who believes abortions are a negative thing -- regardless of the situation -- they have nothing to lose.

People choosing to take the money have said that they consider it "win-win". The reasoning behind this is explained here:

Fuck yes. Get some cash AND make baby murder impossible? I'll take it, and then ask that entity to renew this contract every millenium.

With this kind of deal, I can buy cool shit and have a clear conscience that my tax dollars don't go to fund the killing of innocent children.

EDIT: Also, Ethel -- below -- explains the reason why there is no downside pretty well.

[Ethel mermania]

And as I mentioned before, the scenario is very one-sided, making it useless from the perspective of some people:

They risk making the world a worse place. The social effects resulting from the new magical rules would also affect them. They also have things to lose.

If I believe abortion is murder, I have nothing to lose by taking 100 million to guarantee no baby gets murdered for the next 1000 years.

In fact I might be willing to pay for that outcome, but that would make this a xeno thread

[Picairn]

Obviously the pro-lifers will get a kick out of this hypothetical, so IM, why don't you make the next one with the reverse outcome?

[The Free Joy State]

Obviously the pro-lifers will get a kick out of this hypothetical, so IM, why don't you make the next one with the reverse outcome?

I wouldn't take money to end all pregnancies with abortion either. A woman should have the right to choose.

However, it would be interesting to see how many people would take 100 million for 1000 years of no conceptions. Hey, it's only for 1000 years. What's the worst that could happen?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I think if I found out that we're all trapped in a gibberish world of nonsensical magical curses, I wouldn't give a fuck about abortions anymore. What would even be the point of caring about such things if you lived in a world where, at any moment, some random guy can be magically offered a jillion dollars by mysterious forces to completely fuck society upside down?

You might as well take the money and enjoy what time you have, because who knows what the next guy is going to be offered.

I think it's time to call the SCP Foundation.

[The Blaatschapen]

I think if I found out that we're all trapped in a gibberish world of nonsensical magical curses, I wouldn't give a fuck about abortions anymore. What would even be the point of caring about such things if you lived in a world where, at any moment, some random guy can be magically offered a jillion dollars by mysterious forces to completely fuck society upside down?

You might as well take the money and enjoy what time you have, because who knows what the next guy is going to be offered.

On the other hand, if this is a world of curses, then surely there would be an opposite number who could cancel the curse. All I need is eight trusted companions and a wise old wizard who wishes to thwart the evil sprite so keen to control and curse people, and a long quest that shall be recorded for the ages.

We shall call this epic journey: Lord of the Contraceptive Rings.

You have my condom
And my pill
and my diaphragm

[Ethel mermania]

Obviously the pro-lifers will get a kick out of this hypothetical, so IM, why don't you make the next one with the reverse outcome?

I wouldn't take money to end all pregnancies with abortion either. A woman should have the right to choose.

However, it would be interesting to see how many people would take 100 million for 1000 years of no conceptions. Hey, it's only for 1000 years. What's the worst that could happen?

Thats a different game though, an interesting one though.

How much of a bribe do you need to extinguish human life in 3 generations?

[The Blaatschapen]

Obviously the pro-lifers will get a kick out of this hypothetical, so IM, why don't you make the next one with the reverse outcome?

I wouldn't take money to end all pregnancies with abortion either. A woman should have the right to choose.

However, it would be interesting to see how many people would take 100 million for 1000 years of no conceptions. Hey, it's only for 1000 years. What's the worst that could happen?

Not sheep taking over the world.

Wait...

I am totally not the magical entity.

[The Free Joy State]

I wouldn't take money to end all pregnancies with abortion either. A woman should have the right to choose.

However, it would be interesting to see how many people would take 100 million for 1000 years of no conceptions. Hey, it's only for 1000 years. What's the worst that could happen?

Thats a different game though, an interesting one though.

How much of a bribe do you need to extinguish human life in 3 generations?

It is an interesting hypothetical. Would be one for it's own thread, of course.

I wouldn't take money to end all pregnancies with abortion either. A woman should have the right to choose.

However, it would be interesting to see how many people would take 100 million for 1000 years of no conceptions. Hey, it's only for 1000 years. What's the worst that could happen?

Not sheep taking over the world.

Wait...

I am totally not the magical entity.

I believe you. Thousands wouldn't.

[Infected Mushroom]

Obviously the pro-lifers will get a kick out of this hypothetical, so IM, why don't you make the next one with the reverse outcome?

What’s the reverse option set up?

100 million dollars to make all attempted abortions completely safe, free and magic-assisted?

[Picairn]

What’s the reverse option set up?

100 million dollars to make all attempted abortion completely safe, free and magic-assisted?

Throw in all abortion bans and restrictions across the world lifted as well, and you got a nice little hypothetical.

[The Free Joy State]

Obviously the pro-lifers will get a kick out of this hypothetical, so IM, why don't you make the next one with the reverse outcome?

What’s the reverse option set up?

100 million dollars to make all attempted abortions completely safe, free and magic-assisted?

Take money? I'd pay for that!

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Obviously the pro-lifers will get a kick out of this hypothetical, so IM, why don't you make the next one with the reverse outcome?

What’s the reverse option set up?

100 million dollars to make all attempted abortions completely safe, free and magic-assisted?

All births end in miscarriage for 100 years.

[Galloism]

What’s the reverse option set up?

100 million dollars to make all attempted abortions completely safe, free and magic-assisted?

All births end in miscarriage for 100 years.

Way to give that artificial womb technology unlimited funding.