City Vs Country: What do you prefer?

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

City fringes. Both the city and the country are easily accessible, real estate is mid-priced, there are plenty of freaks and misfits (my people), police presence is very patchy though there tends to be a lot of domestic and family crime, also theft and burglary. I'd probably own a gun if I lived there, due to combined factors of self-defense and feral animal destruction.

However, I live in the suburbs. Enough density that you can choose friends and aren't forced to be friends with immediate neighbours. But not so much density that most people are strangers. I lived in the inner-city for a while, I loved how you could crash a party with just social skills and a bottle of something nice, but that city thing of having to know people quite well to actually trust them, was a bit grueling.

Really out in the country is good if you like physical work all the time (*cough*) and don't get bored easily. Also good for fishing or hunting, if that's your bag.

Small country towns are the worst. Just look at people who were born there and STILL don't feel like they fit in, and the constant outflux of young people who want something more in their life than working for an uncle and marrying a girl/boy they went to school with. These places have no purpose besides shopping centers for the truly rural people.

Suburbs are too spread out for me. I hate driving to get anywhere.

I don't like that much either. Suburbs but near a train station, used to be good but nowadays becoming too expensive.
I forgot to mention re the inner-city, is being able to walk most places, and rarely being far from a train station.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I think suburban is becoming an outdated term.

[San Lumen]

I think suburban is becoming an outdated term.

how so?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I think suburban is becoming an outdated term.

how so?

The division line is more blurry now since alot of businesses have moved out of the city and now can be found in former bedroom communities (take for example Southfield town center). Also many suburbs now are no longer the middle class utopia they were in the mid 20th century.

[Mercatus]

Several of my relatives and friends moved out of the Tampa-St. Pete-Clearwater metropolitan area to the more rural parts of Florida (like Pasco County, land of meth labs and far-right city governments), and they buy these 4 bedroom houses and I visit their houses and I think, these are really nice houses, it's cool you get to afford this on a middle-class income, but then I think "dude the nearest Publix is a half hour drive away" and also how the hell do you let your dogs out without having a panic attack that they're going to get bit by a rattlesnake and also "don't you miss the beach being just a few minutes away"?

I've only ever lived in two places in my whole life, both cities. I think it would be hard for me to get used to places I want to go being so far away. I used to like driving but I don't think I like driving that much.

Having to drive everywhere is one of my main dislikes about the country and suburbia.

Public transport sucks. It's crowded, takes forever, makes stops when you don't want to, and costs the taxpayers money, which means people who don't want to use it will have less money for gas or diesel. For me, private transportation is the only way to go. You can take whatever the hell you want with you in a car or truck, you can take vacations without paying for expensive plane tickets, and overall have more freedom.

On the topic of planes, it is an advantage to living in a rural area. You could have a private airstrip and hell, maybe even a hangar house. In rural areas, if you own enough space, you can pretty much just make the damn rules and do whatever the hell you want. In cities, you can't do any of that.

[San Lumen]

Having to drive everywhere is one of my main dislikes about the country and suburbia.

Public transport sucks. It's crowded, takes forever, makes stops when you don't want to, and costs the taxpayers money, which means people who don't want to use it will have less money for gas or diesel. For me, private transportation is the only way to go. You can take whatever the hell you want with you in a car or truck, you can take vacations without paying for expensive plane tickets, and overall have more freedom.

On the topic of planes, it is an advantage to living in a rural area. You could have a private airstrip and hell, maybe even a hangar house. In rural areas, if you own enough space, you can pretty much just make the damn rules and do whatever the hell you want. In cities, you can't do any of that.

Public transit is much better than driving. Its crowded because a a lot people use it. its one of the advantages of a city.

[Sundiata]

Having to drive everywhere is one of my main dislikes about the country and suburbia.

Public transport sucks. It's crowded, takes forever, makes stops when you don't want to, and costs the taxpayers money, which means people who don't want to use it will have less money for gas or diesel. For me, private transportation is the only way to go. You can take whatever the hell you want with you in a car or truck, you can take vacations without paying for expensive plane tickets, and overall have more freedom.

On the topic of planes, it is an advantage to living in a rural area. You could have a private airstrip and hell, maybe even a hangar house. In rural areas, if you own enough space, you can pretty much just make the damn rules and do whatever the hell you want. In cities, you can't do any of that.

Public transport wouldn't be so crowded if more money was spent on buying more buses and trains. That's worth the taxes.

[Mercatus]

Public transport sucks. It's crowded, takes forever, makes stops when you don't want to, and costs the taxpayers money, which means people who don't want to use it will have less money for gas or diesel. For me, private transportation is the only way to go. You can take whatever the hell you want with you in a car or truck, you can take vacations without paying for expensive plane tickets, and overall have more freedom.

On the topic of planes, it is an advantage to living in a rural area. You could have a private airstrip and hell, maybe even a hangar house. In rural areas, if you own enough space, you can pretty much just make the damn rules and do whatever the hell you want. In cities, you can't do any of that.

Public transit is much better than driving. Its crowded because a a lot people use it. its one of the advantages of a city.

Why is it much better? It's just more money the government takes out of the citizen's pocket for something he/she may not even use. It's basically just theft tbh. Only people who use public transport should have to pay for it.

[Sundiata]

Public transit is much better than driving. Its crowded because a a lot people use it. its one of the advantages of a city.

Why is it much better? It's just more money the government takes out of the citizen's pocket for something he/she may not even use. It's basically just theft tbh. Only people who use public transport should have to pay for it.

Everyone should use public transportation, if you don't want to then you don't have to but you've got a responsibility to people who do.

[San Lumen]

Public transit is much better than driving. Its crowded because a a lot people use it. its one of the advantages of a city.

Why is it much better? It's just more money the government takes out of the citizen's pocket for something he/she may not even use. It's basically just theft tbh. Only people who use public transport should have to pay for it.

Thats not how it works. That's like saying someone in the country shouldn't have to have their tax dollars go to anywhere but their own county.

[Mercatus]

Why is it much better? It's just more money the government takes out of the citizen's pocket for something he/she may not even use. It's basically just theft tbh. Only people who use public transport should have to pay for it.

Thats not how it works. That's like saying someone in the country shouldn't have to have their tax dollars go to anywhere but their own county.

Not necessarily. I only mentioned public transport, not the overall expenses of a government body. Public transport mostly is just a city thing, and isn't really present outside of cities, so why should country dwellers have to pay for it?

[San Lumen]

Thats not how it works. That's like saying someone in the country shouldn't have to have their tax dollars go to anywhere but their own county.

Not necessarily. I only mentioned public transport, not the overall expenses of a government body. Public transport mostly is just a city thing, and isn't really present outside of cities, so why should country dwellers have to pay for it?

Because nowhere exists in a vacuum. Why should city tax dollars pay for things like state highways that run through your area?

[Mercatus]

Why is it much better? It's just more money the government takes out of the citizen's pocket for something he/she may not even use. It's basically just theft tbh. Only people who use public transport should have to pay for it.

Everyone should use public transportation, if you don't want to then you don't have to but you've got a responsibility to people who do.

What's your reasoning for why everyone should? Why do I have a responsibility to fund something I and many others don't use or want to use?

[San Lumen]

Everyone should use public transportation, if you don't want to then you don't have to but you've got a responsibility to people who do.

What's your reasoning for why everyone should? Why do I have a responsibility to fund something I and many others don't use or want to use?

Tax dollars should therefore only to local areas and not be used outside of it? If your county doesn't have enough revenue to pay for state highway repair oh well?

[Universil-Unoyz Wintarros]

I prefer the cities strictly at night, with nobody around etc.
However I would much rather live in the woods, ideally in the pacific northwest region of the US or to the north ends of Europe.

Above all, however, I favor the 70s-90s small town US environment.

[Mercatus]

What's your reasoning for why everyone should? Why do I have a responsibility to fund something I and many others don't use or want to use?

Tax dollars should therefore only to local areas and not be used outside of it? If your county doesn't have enough revenue to pay for state highway repair oh well?

I think you're missing the point. State highways are used by most anyone who travels outside their locality or city, and are funded at a higher level than the local govt. I really just think that local taxes in urban areas should pay for public transport, and that public transport shouldn't be on the state budget. Most of the population is concentrated in cities. I'm sure they'll be able to support their own transit systems.

[San Lumen]

Tax dollars should therefore only to local areas and not be used outside of it? If your county doesn't have enough revenue to pay for state highway repair oh well?

I think you're missing the point. State highways are used by most anyone who travels outside their locality or city, and are funded at a higher level than the local govt. I really just think that local taxes in urban areas should pay for public transport, and that public transport shouldn't be on the state budget. Most of the population is concentrated in cities. I'm sure they'll be able to support their own transit systems.

States taxes go to the state. They decide where it goes. Not you or the municipality or county. Same goes for federal.

The water pipes that supply nyc with water from upstate are wood over 100 years old. They are crumbling and they leak. The project to replace them would easily be in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Should only the city and part of the metro area to the north pay for it and possibly bankrupt themselves in the process?

[Mercatus]

I think you're missing the point. State highways are used by most anyone who travels outside their locality or city, and are funded at a higher level than the local govt. I really just think that local taxes in urban areas should pay for public transport, and that public transport shouldn't be on the state budget. Most of the population is concentrated in cities. I'm sure they'll be able to support their own transit systems.

States taxes go to the state. They decide where it goes. Not you or the municipality or county. Same goes for federal.

The water pipes that supply nyc with water from upstate are wood over 100 years old. They are crumbling and they leak. The project to replace them would easily be in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Should only the city and part of the metro area to the north pay for it and possibly bankrupt themselves in the process?

NYC is not my problem. That place is a shithole anyway, not like fixing the pipes is gonna make it better.

[San Lumen]

States taxes go to the state. They decide where it goes. Not you or the municipality or county. Same goes for federal.

The water pipes that supply nyc with water from upstate are wood over 100 years old. They are crumbling and they leak. The project to replace them would easily be in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Should only the city and part of the metro area to the north pay for it and possibly bankrupt themselves in the process?

NYC is not my problem. That place is a shithole anyway, not like fixing the pipes is gonna make it better.

Doesn’t answer my question. The state and federal government should just let them fail and the nation’s largest city is without water? Your talking about a humanitarian crisis the likes of which the country has never seen.

You may dislike cities over a certain population but don’t treat those who reside there as lesser in importance to you or disparage cities as a whole.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

I think you're missing the point. State highways are used by most anyone who travels outside their locality or city, and are funded at a higher level than the local govt.

I don’t have a car and have no near-future plans to acquire one. Of what utility is 8-lane intercities to me and why should I pay to maintain them?

You can’t have things both ways. If your taxes aren’t going to be paying for my railways then I don’t want mine being spent on rural road and motorway maintenance either. Those can be paid by the people who actually use them, too - I wonder what the effects of roads getting maintenance funding strictly proportional to their actual usage would be to the infrastructural situation of rural towns.

[Sundiata]

States taxes go to the state. They decide where it goes. Not you or the municipality or county. Same goes for federal.

The water pipes that supply nyc with water from upstate are wood over 100 years old. They are crumbling and they leak. The project to replace them would easily be in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Should only the city and part of the metro area to the north pay for it and possibly bankrupt themselves in the process?

NYC is not my problem. That place is a shithole anyway, not like fixing the pipes is gonna make it better.

That was the most Trumpian phrase I've heard since January.

[Kilobugya]

I think suburban is becoming an outdated term.

Well, suburbs are actually quite different between the US and continental Europe (I think UK is somewhere in between). Here, the city centers are mostly were the rich people and upper-middle-class live, and the suburbs were the lower-middle-class and working class live. It's not totally true, we have some rich suburbs (like Neuilly) but that's the exception.

[Kilobugya]

Public transport sucks. It's crowded, takes forever, makes stops when you don't want to, and costs the taxpayers money, which means people who don't want to use it will have less money for gas or diesel.

It's crowded only because it's underfunded, but it's actually faster than car in many cases (our long-distance trains go to 300 km/h, and even the subway moves much faster than a car could in a city, at 70 km/h, never stuck in traffic and no red light to adhere to), and especially if you consider how much time you save by never having to look for a place to park, never having to fill your tank, check your tires, fix whatever mechanical problem your car has, and you can actually read (or play games on your phone) during the ride.

As for taxpayers, sure it costs a bit, but much less than the cost of air pollution generated by cars, and the more people uses public transports, the less traffic there is for those using a car, so all in all, it's a clear benefit for society.

[Engadine Mcdonalds 1997]

Public transit is much better than driving. Its crowded because a a lot people use it. its one of the advantages of a city.

Why is it much better? It's just more money the government takes out of the citizen's pocket for something he/she may not even use. It's basically just theft tbh. Only people who use public transport should have to pay for it.

"I don't drive down that road, so the government should rip it up"
"I don't benefit from street lights, so the government should remove them"
"I don't own a business, so the government should stop business subsidies"... wait fuck that's a pretty decent point
"I don't watch the ABC/BBC, so the government should stop funding it"
"I don't live near at-risk areas in terms of bushfires, so the government should stop all funding for the firefighters"

"I don't use public transportation, so the government should stop funding it"

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

Public transit is much better than driving. Its crowded because a a lot people use it. its one of the advantages of a city.

Why is it much better? It's just more money the government takes out of the citizen's pocket for something he/she may not even use. It's basically just theft tbh. Only people who use public transport should have to pay for it.

Only the people who drive should have to pay for it. You think you do that already? With petrol taxes you pay for repairs and upgrade to the road. But you don't pay for carbon emissions, of your fuel or the roadbuilding. And you don't pay rent to use the land the road is on.

You should be happy that people use public transport, because if they drove instead the road would be more crowded, and new road would need to be built ... and you would help pay for that.

If you think it's your right to drive on public roads, then you will recognize the rights of those who choose public transport. Everyone paying for what they use will NOT end well for you.