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Greater Cesnica wrote:

Absentius wrote:Faith should be a private matter, as education occurs within the public domain, such as schools and universities, it should be strictly secular, however this move is not intended to create a level playing field for all Egyptians, instead it is being used to suppress religious dissidents that oppose the regime of Mr.Sisi (spell his name backwards for an awkward suprise), this plan shows that Mr.Sisi and the military still fear the influence of the Muslim Brotherhood and are trying to root out their influence by banning religious text entirely, thereby preventing the Quran from being used as an inspiration and rallying cry by extremists to attract followers. This decision has positives but also has ramifications as it will certainly alienate the religious establishment. This decision should lie with the Egyptian people, not with Mr.Sisi or his military autocracy.

Sisi is a snake only looking out for himself. It's a shame, really, that this move will be celebrated by people without them knowing the full context.

Ethel mermania wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:Sisi is a snake only looking out for himself. It's a shame, really, that this move will be celebrated by people without them knowing the full context.

Even with the full context its a positive.

He is not taking it out of religion classes. Just things like math, reading, and writing.

I mean agreed, he is a typical middle eastern dictator, doing it for typical middle eastern dictator type reasons, but in spite of this sometimes we get lucky and the end result is a positive.

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:

Ethel mermania wrote:Even with the full context its a positive.

He is not taking it out of religion classes. Just things like math, reading, and writing.

I mean agreed, he is a typical middle eastern dictator, doing it for typical middle eastern dictator type reasons, but in spite of this sometimes we get lucky and the end result is a positive.

Wait, they had Quran quotes in math class? What?

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Wait, they had Quran quotes in math class? What?

Common core be like "If Mohammed has 5 alms and Ali has 2 camels, how many unfaithful infidels are burning in hell right now?"

Arvenia wrote:

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Common core be like "If Mohammed has 5 alms and Ali has 2 camels, how many unfaithful infidels are burning in hell right now?"

Wouldn't that be 7 infidels?

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:

Ethel mermania wrote:Even with the full context its a positive.

He is not taking it out of religion classes. Just things like math, reading, and writing.

I mean agreed, he is a typical middle eastern dictator, doing it for typical middle eastern dictator type reasons, but in spite of this sometimes we get lucky and the end result is a positive.

Wait, they had Quran quotes in math class? What?

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Wait, they had Quran quotes in math class? What?

Common core be like "If Mohammed has 5 alms and Ali has 2 camels, how many unfaithful infidels are burning in hell right now?"

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Wait, they had Quran quotes in math class? What?

Common core be like "If Mohammed has 5 alms and Ali has 2 camels, how many unfaithful infidels are burning in hell right now?"

Insaanistan wrote:

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Common core be like "If Mohammed has 5 alms and Ali has 2 camels, how many unfaithful infidels are burning in hell right now?"

Nah, more like “If there are three Sunnis, five Shiās and 2 Christians in one room, how many people in the room are going to hell?”

Dangine wrote:I think they shouldn't completely remove it, it has importance in Egypt's history. They should just teach about its historical significance.

Farnhamia wrote:

Sannyamathland wrote:You are an American,if I am not wrong.Well...I support the 2nd reason,and no matter in what bullshit way CNN or BBC has presented this thing to you,I whole heartedly support this 'genocide'(another term invented by the Western media outlets,it is probably fake news too,but since no matter what I say,Americans will not agree with me,I am 'assuming' that there a genocide is indeed happening in that place.) because it is FUCKING effective and necessary.Do not forget,that an incident like 9/11 occured in the US and not in China.Infact,not a SINGLE incident of religious violence has occured in China during after the CCP took power.Is it harsh,yes definetely....but is it neccesary,yes quiet necessay...is it effective,hell yes....Religion should never...ever be allowed to mix with the State,and if it requires brutality to ensure this,then let there is no harm in being brutual.
And American government is no angel....do not forget....

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Sannyamathland wrote:

Farnhamia wrote:*** Warned for trolling *** ... take this warning to cover your other posts here, unless their accumulated weight leads to an escalation.

How is this trolling ? Disagreeing with Westerners or pointing out the faults of the US administration is trolling ?!
Give me a break dude...this is sick

Aspistan wrote:The Qur'an works to teach Arabic, its possibly the MOST important text in the language, not to mention ANY language.

Risottia wrote:

Aspistan wrote:The Qur'an works to teach Arabic, its possibly the MOST important text in the language, not to mention ANY language.

..."in any language".

Just to quote some, Galileo's The Essayer, Euclid's Elements of Geometry, Al-Kwarizmi's Al-Jabr are VASTLY more important than any religious text ever.

By the way, now I'm picturing Al-Sisi as Dat Soldier chanting "Remove Quran".

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:

Risottia wrote:
..."in any language".

Just to quote some, Galileo's The Essayer, Euclid's Elements of Geometry, Al-Kwarizmi's Al-Jabr are VASTLY more important than any religious text ever.

By the way, now I'm picturing Al-Sisi as Dat Soldier chanting "Remove Quran".

Imam Walid Al-Jihad: "Hey you can't just remove the Quran from the public schools."

El Sisi: "Iskander, go get the accordion."

Caribbean Confederation wrote:Good. Hopefully they'll some day manage to remove it entirety from every aspect of public society.

Risottia wrote:

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Imam Walid Al-Jihad: "Hey you can't just remove the Quran from the public schools."

El Sisi: "Iskander, go get the accordion."

Cue Serbiaball/Egyptball slashfic.

The Alma Mater wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
A very cherry-picked history I'm sure.

And yeah, hating people simply because they're in a group is irrational. You don't actually know anything about that person outside of one thing, and you've decided you hate them? Where's the logic in that? You don't know if they're innocent or guilty of anything, and yet you want to deprive them of livelihood and cause them to suffer?

Guess horseshoe theory is right. Cause that's not any different from what a Waffen-SS soldier thinks before they'd shoot a Jewish child into a mass grave.

To be fair, if you self identified as "a member of the group known as "Waffen-SS soldiers" one could make some assumptions. Same as e.g. with being a member of the KKK.

Salus Maior wrote:

The Alma Mater wrote:
To be fair, if you self identified as "a member of the group known as "Waffen-SS soldiers" one could make some assumptions. Same as e.g. with being a member of the KKK.

Even then you don’t know what they’re necessarily guilty or innocent of.

That’s why there’s due process.

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
Even then you don’t know what they’re necessarily guilty or innocent of.

That’s why there’s due process.

Salus, you kind of OOF'd yourself here.

Normally I'm all for sticking it to anti-theists but you're acting like someone being part of an anti-Catholic and white supremacist hate group and domestic terrorist organization like the KKK or a state-sanctioned terrorist organization with a direct link to war crimes, genocide, ethnic cleansing, and general crimes against humanity like the Waffen-SS can't in and of itself be used to judge that person.

Which is fucking ridiculous. I can and will judge anyone belonging to these two groups for belonging to said groups. They made the conscious choice to join them and adopt their hateful spiel and unrestrained violence.