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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:50 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Absentius wrote:Faith should be a private matter, as education occurs within the public domain, such as schools and universities, it should be strictly secular, however this move is not intended to create a level playing field for all Egyptians, instead it is being used to suppress religious dissidents that oppose the regime of Mr.Sisi (spell his name backwards for an awkward suprise), this plan shows that Mr.Sisi and the military still fear the influence of the Muslim Brotherhood and are trying to root out their influence by banning religious text entirely, thereby preventing the Quran from being used as an inspiration and rallying cry by extremists to attract followers. This decision has positives but also has ramifications as it will certainly alienate the religious establishment. This decision should lie with the Egyptian people, not with Mr.Sisi or his military autocracy.

Sisi is a snake only looking out for himself. It's a shame, really, that this move will be celebrated by people without them knowing the full context.

Even with the full context its a positive.

He is not taking it out of religion classes. Just things like math, reading, and writing.

I mean agreed, he is a typical middle eastern dictator, doing it for typical middle eastern dictator type reasons, but in spite of this sometimes we get lucky and the end result is a positive.
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Greater Cesnica wrote:Sisi is a snake only looking out for himself. It's a shame, really, that this move will be celebrated by people without them knowing the full context.

Even with the full context its a positive.

He is not taking it out of religion classes. Just things like math, reading, and writing.

I mean agreed, he is a typical middle eastern dictator, doing it for typical middle eastern dictator type reasons, but in spite of this sometimes we get lucky and the end result is a positive.


Wait, they had Quran quotes in math class? What? :blink:
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Ethel mermania wrote:Even with the full context its a positive.

He is not taking it out of religion classes. Just things like math, reading, and writing.

I mean agreed, he is a typical middle eastern dictator, doing it for typical middle eastern dictator type reasons, but in spite of this sometimes we get lucky and the end result is a positive.


Wait, they had Quran quotes in math class? What? :blink:


Common core be like "If Mohammed has 5 alms and Ali has 2 camels, how many unfaithful infidels are burning in hell right now?"
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Postby Arvenia » Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:21 pm

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Wait, they had Quran quotes in math class? What? :blink:


Common core be like "If Mohammed has 5 alms and Ali has 2 camels, how many unfaithful infidels are burning in hell right now?"

Wouldn't that be 7 infidels?
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:15 pm

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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Common core be like "If Mohammed has 5 alms and Ali has 2 camels, how many unfaithful infidels are burning in hell right now?"

Wouldn't that be 7 infidels?

Bad math.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:26 pm

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Ethel mermania wrote:Even with the full context its a positive.

He is not taking it out of religion classes. Just things like math, reading, and writing.

I mean agreed, he is a typical middle eastern dictator, doing it for typical middle eastern dictator type reasons, but in spite of this sometimes we get lucky and the end result is a positive.


Wait, they had Quran quotes in math class? What? :blink:

I would assume something like this for American Bible schools.

https://www.christianperspective.net/pr ... curriculum

Reading and essay writing would be about Islamic scriptures and parables. Everything can be taught from a perspective
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:28 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Wait, they had Quran quotes in math class? What? :blink:


Common core be like "If Mohammed has 5 alms and Ali has 2 camels, how many unfaithful infidels are burning in hell right now?"

If common core it would ask how many camels Mohammad had, and show your work.
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Postby Insaanistan » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:02 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Wait, they had Quran quotes in math class? What? :blink:


Common core be like "If Mohammed has 5 alms and Ali has 2 camels, how many unfaithful infidels are burning in hell right now?"

Nah, more like “If there are three Sunnis, five Shiās and 2 Christians in one room, how many people in the room are going to hell?”
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:10 pm

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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Common core be like "If Mohammed has 5 alms and Ali has 2 camels, how many unfaithful infidels are burning in hell right now?"

Nah, more like “If there are three Sunnis, five Shiās and 2 Christians in one room, how many people in the room are going to hell?”

10 :p

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Postby Dangine » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:20 pm

I think they shouldn't completely remove it, it has importance in Egypt's history. They should just teach about its historical significance.
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Postby Rusozak » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:38 pm

Dangine wrote:I think they shouldn't completely remove it, it has importance in Egypt's history. They should just teach about its historical significance.


Yeah, it's overkill. Like or not, major religious texts still had a huge impact on history and culture. You can't talk about post-Byzantine Egypt without talking about Islam. There's a difference between telling kids "these religious texts are right and you should follow them" and "these religious texts had this impact on our history and culture."
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No worries, the CIA Muslim Brotherhood will just have to work outside of the school system to create the next round of Islamists ready to fight against a secular government Israel hates some tyrant.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Mar 03, 2021 6:22 am

Aspistan wrote:The Qur'an works to teach Arabic, its possibly the MOST important text in the language, not to mention ANY language.


..."in any language".
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Just to quote some, Galileo's The Essayer, Euclid's Elements of Geometry, Al-Kwarizmi's Al-Jabr are VASTLY more important than any religious text ever.
By the way, Al-Kwarizmi wrote in Arabic, so, that makes it a more serious contender for the title of "most important text in Arabic".

By the way, now I'm picturing Al-Sisi as Dat Soldier chanting "Remove Quran".
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Aspistan wrote:The Qur'an works to teach Arabic, its possibly the MOST important text in the language, not to mention ANY language.


..."in any language".
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Just to quote some, Galileo's The Essayer, Euclid's Elements of Geometry, Al-Kwarizmi's Al-Jabr are VASTLY more important than any religious text ever.

By the way, now I'm picturing Al-Sisi as Dat Soldier chanting "Remove Quran".


Imam Walid Al-Jihad: "Hey you can't just remove the Quran from the public schools."

El Sisi: "Iskander, go get the accordion."
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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Risottia wrote:
..."in any language".
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Just to quote some, Galileo's The Essayer, Euclid's Elements of Geometry, Al-Kwarizmi's Al-Jabr are VASTLY more important than any religious text ever.

By the way, now I'm picturing Al-Sisi as Dat Soldier chanting "Remove Quran".


Imam Walid Al-Jihad: "Hey you can't just remove the Quran from the public schools."

El Sisi: "Iskander, go get the accordion."
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Islamists: The Quran belongs in public school. All children should learn the blessings of-

El-Sisi right now: https://youtu.be/2csSPkBEKus
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Caribbean Confederation wrote:Good. Hopefully they'll some day manage to remove it entirety from every aspect of public society.

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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Imam Walid Al-Jihad: "Hey you can't just remove the Quran from the public schools."

El Sisi: "Iskander, go get the accordion."
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A very cherry-picked history I'm sure.

And yeah, hating people simply because they're in a group is irrational. You don't actually know anything about that person outside of one thing, and you've decided you hate them? Where's the logic in that? You don't know if they're innocent or guilty of anything, and yet you want to deprive them of livelihood and cause them to suffer?

Guess horseshoe theory is right. Cause that's not any different from what a Waffen-SS soldier thinks before they'd shoot a Jewish child into a mass grave.


To be fair, if you self identified as "a member of the group known as "Waffen-SS soldiers" one could make some assumptions. Same as e.g. with being a member of the KKK.


Even then you don’t know what they’re necessarily guilty or innocent of.

That’s why there’s due process.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:05 pm

I think the keyword there is "removed in schools except Islamic schools." That would make the public schools more secular while allowing religious schools to retain their ideals in their respective classrooms. I see no problem with that, that is the standard in much of the world.
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If the Qu'ran is only being referenced in a historical, purely non-dogmatic way, then there's no reason to remove that but if they're removing instants of the Qu'ran as dogma, then I see no issue with that.
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Salus Maior wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
To be fair, if you self identified as "a member of the group known as "Waffen-SS soldiers" one could make some assumptions. Same as e.g. with being a member of the KKK.


Even then you don’t know what they’re necessarily guilty or innocent of.

That’s why there’s due process.


Salus, you kind of OOF'd yourself here.

Normally I'm all for sticking it to anti-theists but you're acting like someone being part of an anti-Catholic and white supremacist hate group and domestic terrorist organization like the KKK or a state-sanctioned terrorist organization with a direct link to war crimes, genocide, ethnic cleansing, and general crimes against humanity like the Waffen-SS can't in and of itself be used to judge that person.

Which is fucking ridiculous. I can and will judge anyone belonging to these two groups for belonging to said groups. They made the conscious choice to join them and adopt their hateful spiel and unrestrained violence.
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Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
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Even then you don’t know what they’re necessarily guilty or innocent of.

That’s why there’s due process.


Salus, you kind of OOF'd yourself here.

Normally I'm all for sticking it to anti-theists but you're acting like someone being part of an anti-Catholic and white supremacist hate group and domestic terrorist organization like the KKK or a state-sanctioned terrorist organization with a direct link to war crimes, genocide, ethnic cleansing, and general crimes against humanity like the Waffen-SS can't in and of itself be used to judge that person.

Which is fucking ridiculous. I can and will judge anyone belonging to these two groups for belonging to said groups. They made the conscious choice to join them and adopt their hateful spiel and unrestrained violence.


Are you for summarily executing members of the KKK and SS, then? Assuming that every individual in the group are directly responsible for the worst things their group does?
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