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by Ethel mermania » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:23 am
by Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:29 am
Sannyamathland wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
So you admit you harbor irrational hatred of a group simply because they're in a group? Is this supposed to score you some kind of points somewhere?
Being an atheist doesn't mean you get a pass on being a bigot. Don't drag atheism through the mud just because of your own personal hangups.
I wouldn't call it irrational,history has proved me correct everytime...
by Esperantujo 2 » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:31 am
by Washington Resistance Army » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:33 am
Esperantujo 2 wrote:As an atheist, I've read the whole Quran as well as the whole Christian Bible. I would say that the Quran should be studied in schools, because evil things attributed to Islam by its opponents and self-proclaimed proponents - terrorism, FGM and pedophilia - aren't there. However, its attitude towards women, though probably relatively progressive 1400 years ago, needs to be balanced by the likes of Mary Wollstoncraft and Alexandra Kollontai.
by Caribbean Confederation » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:37 am
Esperantujo 2 wrote:As an atheist, I've read the whole Quran as well as the whole Christian Bible. I would say that the Quran should be studied in schools, because evil things attributed to Islam by its opponents and self-proclaimed proponents - terrorism, FGM and pedophilia - aren't there. However, its attitude towards women, though probably relatively progressive 1400 years ago, needs to be balanced by the likes of Mary Wollstoncraft and Alexandra Kollontai.
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by Jarvikan » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:38 am
Sannyamathland wrote:Greater Cesnica wrote:Again, why is that necessary? I'm a practicing Muslim. Do you view Muslims and other religious people as threats to society inherently because of our faith, and our adherence to those books that you'd like to eliminate?
Yes you are right.I view each and every religious person as a threat to the society if they go about publicly displaying their religion.Why it has to be public ? Practise your religion inside your home and no one's gonna bother you,why show other people who or what you are ?
And I have no hard feelings against Muslims in particular.I hate every religious people,it doesn't matter if they are Muslims,Christians,Jewish,Hindus,Buddhists,each one of them.
by Esperantujo 2 » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:42 am
by Greater Cesnica » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:45 am
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Esperantujo 2 wrote:As an atheist, I've read the whole Quran as well as the whole Christian Bible. I would say that the Quran should be studied in schools, because evil things attributed to Islam by its opponents and self-proclaimed proponents - terrorism, FGM and pedophilia - aren't there. However, its attitude towards women, though probably relatively progressive 1400 years ago, needs to be balanced by the likes of Mary Wollstoncraft and Alexandra Kollontai.
fwiw Islam has more than just the Quran in terms of writings, stuff like the Hadith hold near equal importance for a great many Muslims and there is some really yikes stuff in there.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
by Greater Cesnica » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:47 am
Salus Maior wrote:Sannyamathland wrote:I wouldn't call it irrational,history has proved me correct everytime...
A very cherry-picked history I'm sure.
And yeah, hating people simply because they're in a group is irrational. You don't actually know anything about that person outside of one thing, and you've decided you hate them? Where's the logic in that? You don't know if they're innocent or guilty of anything, and yet you want to deprive them of livelihood and cause them to suffer?
Guess horseshoe theory is right. Cause that's not any different from what a Waffen-SS soldier thinks before they'd shoot a Jewish child into a mass grave.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
by Ladinacem Andia » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:54 am
by Greater Cesnica » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:55 am
Ladinacem Andia wrote:I will always argue that erasing history is never a proper response, even in the name of secularism.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
by Arvenia » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:57 am
Ladinacem Andia wrote:I think I must agree with OP here,
While a proponent of Secular schooling, even given my Catholic faith, the influence of the Qur'an on Egyptian history is too great to reduce teaching it to be tantamount to extremism. While the Qur'an is not a religious text I find incredibly thrilling to read, and in many places do I disagree with the teachings of the Islamic faith, it has nonetheless impacted Egypt in such a manner where it should, at least in my view, be taught, though purely in its historical context. One can teach how the Torah, Bible, or Qur'an impacted a nation without pushing the scripture within those texts. Erasing the influence of the Qur'an by refusing to acknowledge the historical shockwaves it created would be quite questionable. I will always argue that erasing history is never a proper response, even in the name of secularism.
by Ladinacem Andia » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:59 am
by Insaanistan » Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:55 am
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Esperantujo 2 wrote:As an atheist, I've read the whole Quran as well as the whole Christian Bible. I would say that the Quran should be studied in schools, because evil things attributed to Islam by its opponents and self-proclaimed proponents - terrorism, FGM and pedophilia - aren't there. However, its attitude towards women, though probably relatively progressive 1400 years ago, needs to be balanced by the likes of Mary Wollstoncraft and Alexandra Kollontai.
fwiw Islam has more than just the Quran in terms of writings, stuff like the Hadith hold near equal importance for a great many Muslims and there is some really yikes stuff in there.
by Old Tyrannia » Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:26 pm
Jarvikan wrote:Sannyamathland wrote:Yes you are right.I view each and every religious person as a threat to the society if they go about publicly displaying their religion.Why it has to be public ? Practise your religion inside your home and no one's gonna bother you,why show other people who or what you are ?
And I have no hard feelings against Muslims in particular.I hate every religious people,it doesn't matter if they are Muslims,Christians,Jewish,Hindus,Buddhists,each one of them.
Don’t forget Buddhism isn’t exactly a religion
by Neutraligon » Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:27 pm
Miku the Based wrote:Neutraligon wrote:Then your history was poorly taught, there was no need to bring up verse. And no, churches did not have single churches they followed, they had predominant churches but most still had other churches within them. Some even had a every religion is accepted ideology.
I went my entire education in public school without hearing a single verse from bible or Torah and they where very easily able to tell students that wars/conflict ocurred due to differences in religious beliefs.
The only colony that had religious tolerance was Maryland for the longest time and even then they were separated into different social classes with the non-Catholics being of inferior class. He's right the colonies did only have one church or sect to subscribe to, it happens that they differ from the Anglican church at times which was one of the reasons they emigrated.
by Greater Cesnica » Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:28 pm
Ladinacem Andia wrote:Greater Cesnica wrote:Good take!
I must inquire, given the time I've spent on this site, and the approximately zero interactions I've had with yourself, if that response is sarcasm or your true feeling about my response. Please don't take any offense, I just genuinely wonder because my past posts seemed to garner a fair deal of sarcastic responses.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
by Absentius » Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:33 pm
by Sannyamathland » Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:36 pm
Greater Cesnica wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
A very cherry-picked history I'm sure.
And yeah, hating people simply because they're in a group is irrational. You don't actually know anything about that person outside of one thing, and you've decided you hate them? Where's the logic in that? You don't know if they're innocent or guilty of anything, and yet you want to deprive them of livelihood and cause them to suffer?
Guess horseshoe theory is right. Cause that's not any different from what a Waffen-SS soldier thinks before they'd shoot a Jewish child into a mass grave.
Let's see if the self-reflection kicks in for Sann.
by Greater Cesnica » Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:42 pm
Sannyamathland wrote:Greater Cesnica wrote:Let's see if the self-reflection kicks in for Sann.
Sorry brother,but it seems like Cesnica didn't quite got my argument.You see,if no religion existed,then there would have been no difference between the Jews and the Christians.The atheists are fighting exactly for this....a society based on equality.
And it's no cherry-picked history.There are literally thousands and thousands of examples of religion causing violence.Ok let me give you just 2 examples:
1.Nazism
2.Spanish Inquisation under Ferdinand III and Isabella I.
I can give you many more examples,as religious violence is occurring almost everyday....
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
by Farnhamia » Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:00 pm
by Farnhamia » Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:53 pm
Sannyamathland wrote:So I have 2 guesses as to your take on the Uyghur genocide:
1.It's fake news
2.It's necessary to enforce atheism and crack down on religion
You are an American,if I am not wrong.Well...I support the 2nd reason,and no matter in what bullshit way CNN or BBC has presented this thing to you,I whole heartedly support this 'genocide'(another term invented by the Western media outlets,it is probably fake news too,but since no matter what I say,Americans will not agree with me,I am 'assuming' that there a genocide is indeed happening in that place.) because it is FUCKING effective and necessary.Do not forget,that an incident like 9/11 occured in the US and not in China.Infact,not a SINGLE incident of religious violence has occured in China during after the CCP took power.Is it harsh,yes definetely....but is it neccesary,yes quiet necessay...is it effective,hell yes....Religion should never...ever be allowed to mix with the State,and if it requires brutality to ensure this,then let there is no harm in being brutual.
And American government is no angel....do not forget....
by Greater Cesnica » Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:03 pm
Absentius wrote:Faith should be a private matter, as education occurs within the public domain, such as schools and universities, it should be strictly secular, however this move is not intended to create a level playing field for all Egyptians, instead it is being used to suppress religious dissidents that oppose the regime of Mr.Sisi (spell his name backwards for an awkward suprise), this plan shows that Mr.Sisi and the military still fear the influence of the Muslim Brotherhood and are trying to root out their influence by banning religious text entirely, thereby preventing the Quran from being used as an inspiration and rallying cry by extremists to attract followers. This decision has positives but also has ramifications as it will certainly alienate the religious establishment. This decision should lie with the Egyptian people, not with Mr.Sisi or his military autocracy.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
by The Alma Mater » Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:05 pm
Salus Maior wrote:Sannyamathland wrote:I wouldn't call it irrational,history has proved me correct everytime...
A very cherry-picked history I'm sure.
And yeah, hating people simply because they're in a group is irrational. You don't actually know anything about that person outside of one thing, and you've decided you hate them? Where's the logic in that? You don't know if they're innocent or guilty of anything, and yet you want to deprive them of livelihood and cause them to suffer?
Guess horseshoe theory is right. Cause that's not any different from what a Waffen-SS soldier thinks before they'd shoot a Jewish child into a mass grave.
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