Egypt Plans to Remove Qur’ân From Curriculum

[Thermodolia]

Egypt is a predominantly Muslim nation situated in Northeastern Africa. It is the only nation it is unanimously agreed upon that it is part of both Africa and the Middle East. Now, it plans to remove the Qur’ân from its school curriculum, minus Islamic schools.

Sources:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... i0wiFUksj5
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/egyp ... s-backlash

The articles indicate that Qur'an verses would still be in religion courses in public schools

Well that’s unfortunate. But since that’s happening what’s the big fuss about?

[Insaanistan]

The justification or cause for so many historical events in Egypt’s history was literally the Qur’ân.

And? You can still mention those events without mentioning the book. All you say is that is was a war/event based on religious matters

“Why were so many of the 13 colonies dominated by one sole church?”
“Religious stuff.”
Yeah, no, ain’t gonna work.

[Aspistan]

This removes all trace of an important. book that has been a pivotal part of Egypt's history. At least put it in history class...

It’s no more important than the Bible was for most of European history.

Average people werent expected to memorize and sing the whole bible. The bible didnt provide literacy for millions of people.

[Zul-ar]

The problem is, they are not removing the reading of the Qur'an, they are removing any reference of it, even in the historical since. Considering how literal Crusades have been fought over Egypt, to simply remove the mention of a book because it is a holy book is insane. The Muslim Fatimids, Mamluks, and Ottoman Empire all held Egypt, and if you remove the Qur'an, you lose important historical context for those time periods.

Not really. You can still teach history and not mention the holy book. You can still teach the history of Israel and not mention the Torah once.

But why not mention it? We mention the greek gods when learning about the greeks. We mention Martin Luther and the reformation in American history. It's just a part of history. Changing history and erasing the existence of an entire thing is bad.

[Thermodolia]

And? You can still mention those events without mentioning the book. All you say is that is was a war/event based on religious matters

“Why were so many of the 13 colonies dominated by one sole church?”
“Religious stuff.”
Yeah, no, ain’t gonna work.

Because “X” religious group won? That’s a pretty easy explanation that doesn’t involve mentioning any religious books or parts of religious books

[Thermodolia]

It’s no more important than the Bible was for most of European history.

Average people werent expected to memorize and sing the whole bible. The bible didnt provide literacy for millions of people.

That’s a bunch of bullshit

[Thermodolia]

Not really. You can still teach history and not mention the holy book. You can still teach the history of Israel and not mention the Torah once.

But why not mention it? We mention the greek gods when learning about the greeks. We mention Martin Luther and the reformation in American history. It's just a part of history. Changing history and erasing the existence of an entire thing is bad.

They are only removing it from history classes you can still hear about the book in religious classes

[Tsaivao]

And? You can still mention those events without mentioning the book. All you say is that is was a war/event based on religious matters

“Why were so many of the 13 colonies dominated by one sole church?”
“Religious stuff.”
Yeah, no, ain’t gonna work.

I mean, this isn't very apt because when we teach about the Puritans/Quakers/Protestants we usually don't go into any details at all in their holy book(s), at least as far as public education is concerned. Sure maybe a quick rundown of their general beliefs, but you can still explain historical context on the surface level.

With that said I don't think this law is going to do much other than cause unrest or just lead to a lot of people ignoring it. I don't think anyone is going to get tied in a knot because someone in class made a passing reference to the Quran, except maybe during an evaluation of some kind.

[Odreria]

But we don’t teach Jewish or Christian history in public schools dude

America is not an über religious nation that is about 90% Christian and 10% Jewish.
Egypt’s history is much more tied to religion. It literally started becoming closer to Egypt today when one of the successors of Muhammad (pbuh) conquered it.

America isn't as religious as it once was, but it was literally first settled by theocratic protestant Christians, and has been profoundly influenced and shaped by the great awakenings. Yet they still managed to teach us about the Puritans and the Salem witch trials without the Bible.

[Aspistan]

Average people werent expected to memorize and sing the whole bible. The bible didnt provide literacy for millions of people.

That’s a bunch of bullshit

Local Western Atheist Can't Comprehend That Other World Religions Have Different Features Than Christianity; More At 11!

[Insaanistan]

Egypt is a predominantly Muslim nation situated in Northeastern Africa. It is the only nation it is unanimously agreed upon that it is part of both Africa and the Middle East. Now, it plans to remove the Qur’ân from its school curriculum, minus Islamic schools.

Sources:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... i0wiFUksj5
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/egyp ... s-backlash

The articles indicate that Qur'an verses would still be in religion courses in public schools

Where?

[Odreria]

The articles indicate that Qur'an verses would still be in religion courses in public schools

Where?

It says so right in the first paragraphs of both

[Heloin]

While I do find the casual dismissal of other religions importance in history quite funny it's pretty clear you can teach all of Egyptian history without having to teach kids the Quran. That should be the job of religious institutions and families, not the state.

[Katganistan]

America is not an über religious nation that is about 90% Christian and 10% Jewish.
Egypt’s history is much more tied to religion. It literally started becoming closer to Egypt today when one of the successors of Muhammad (pbuh) conquered it.

America has 30 million Jews?

More like six to ten million, actually. However, the point still stands, regardless of the actual numbers.

[Andalusnia]

In reality, the Quran is not only on paper but also in the hearts of many people. If someone tries to suppress the Quran or Islam in general, it will not end well. In fact, the religious fervor and zeal will return with even greater strength. A good example is Turkey which is currently experiencing a spiritual awakening after decades of darkness and oppression.

[Odreria]

America is not an über religious nation that is about 90% Christian and 10% Jewish.
Egypt’s history is much more tied to religion. It literally started becoming closer to Egypt today when one of the successors of Muhammad (pbuh) conquered it.

America has 30 million Jews?

He was obviously making an analogy to Egypt, where those are the percentages of Muslims and Christians respectively.

[Tsaivao]

It’s no more important than the Bible was for most of European history.

Average people werent expected to memorize and sing the whole bible. The bible didnt provide literacy for millions of people.

The Bible did proliferate general literacy across the entirety of Europe and the Americas by introducing people to the Latin script. Catholicism is the sole reason Latin still exists at all, and Latin is hugely responsible for the scientific language of the vast majority of the world.

The issue isn't "Is religious book significant?" Everyone knows it is, you'd have to be a flat-out denialist to insinuate that neither the Bible nor the Quran didn't have a huge impact on people. But you don't have to physically read it to talk about its influence. Plenty of works have been written during or after the time of the same historic events mentioned in the Quran.

Now, again, I'm pretty sure in practice this legislation will be less strict than it seems, mostly because it's kind of hard to intentionally avoid a topic 100%. But not having to actually read the physical book isn't the worst thing in the world, there's an appropriate time and place for which to do that.

[Thermodolia]

That’s a bunch of bullshit

Local Western Atheist Can't Comprehend That Other World Religions Have Different Features Than Christianity; More At 11!

First off not an atheist. Second I’m not even Christian. And third I think your claim is bullshit, not that the religion has different features but that the idea of mandatory readings somehow lead to literacy

[Aspistan]

Local Western Atheist Can't Comprehend That Other World Religions Have Different Features Than Christianity; More At 11!

First off not an atheist. Second I’m not even Christian. And third I think your claim is bullshit, not that the religion has different features but that the idea of mandatory readings somehow lead to literacy

Mandating that people learn to read doesnt improve literacy?

[Baltenstein]

In reality, the Quran is not only on paper but also in the hearts of many people. If someone tries to suppress the Quran or Islam in general, it will not end well. In fact, the religious fervor and zeal will return with even greater strength. A good example is Turkey which is currently experiencing a spiritual awakening after decades of darkness and oppression.

You're 30 years late. It's the religious show-offs who are doing the darkness and oppression in Turkey these days.
And another fun fact: Religious piety is rapidly decreasing in Turkey, especially amongst the younger generations.
Just like religious fervor tends to rise when oppressed by an non- or anti-religious regime, so which irreligious feelings rise when it's the religious types who are in charge.

[Catsfern]

I mean I cant remember the last time the bible was brought up during my education. Religion is perfectly fine, but I agree it should probably remain separate from the education system.

[Insaanistan]

In reality, the Quran is not only on paper but also in the hearts of many people. If someone tries to suppress the Quran or Islam in general, it will not end well. In fact, the religious fervor and zeal will return with even greater strength. A good example is Turkey which is currently experiencing a spiritual awakening after decades of darkness and oppression.

You're 30 years late. It's the religious show-offs who are doing the darkness and oppression in Turkey these days.
And another fun fact: Religious piety is rapidly decreasing in Turkey, especially amongst the younger generations.
Just like religious fervor tends to rise when oppressed by an non- or anti-religious regime, so which irreligious feelings rise when it's the religious types who are in charge.

It is decreasing, though not rapidly.
Meanwhile, in neighboring Azerbaijan, its increasing.

[Southern Prescott]

Egypt has fought for Islam but now they plan to destroy Islam in Egypt.

[Neutraligon]

And? You can still mention those events without mentioning the book. All you say is that is was a war/event based on religious matters

“Why were so many of the 13 colonies dominated by one sole church?”
“Religious stuff.”
Yeah, no, ain’t gonna work.

...the 13 colonies where not dominated by 1 church, indeed there was a great deal of religious conflict in the early colonies...we still manage not to do bible verses.

[Insaanistan]

“Why were so many of the 13 colonies dominated by one sole church?”
“Religious stuff.”
Yeah, no, ain’t gonna work.

...the 13 colonies where not dominated by 1 church, indeed there was a great deal of religious conflict in the early colonies...we still manage not to do bible verses.

I mean many colonies had a single church they followed. One was dominated by Quakers, the other Catholicism, etc.
Additionally, I go to a non-private school, and Bible verses were brought up when learning about history.