"I Missed The Part Where That's My Problem?"

[Kannap]

It surprises me that a majority went the other way to Peter Parker according to polls

Don't know what poll you're looking at, but it looks like "I missed the part where there's my problem" is winning and that's the route Peter Parker went.

[Deacarsia]

With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility

[Infected Mushroom]

With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility

That’s Uncle-Ben-ian propaganda

[Eahland]

According to the Marvel Super Heroes Players' Book, p. 37, "Stop/Prevent Robbery" is +20 Karma. "Permit Robbery" is -10 Karma. "Commit Robbery" isn't on the table for some reason, but based on the costs of committing other crimes, it should probably be -40 Karma. Most of my stats are Incredible (40) or higher, with my lowest being Good (10) Intuition, which means it'll take a crapton of Karma to actually advance anything, and I'm already down a fair bit for using my superpowers to beat the crap out of an ordinary human earlier.

So it's clearly a better deal to stop the robbery and return the money than to permit it or to take the money myself and hope to scrounge up some Karma in role-playing awards.

There's no real risk in any case... with Amazing Agility and Combat Sense, I can literally dodge bullets, and failing that I have more than enough Health to just tank pistol shots.

[Infected Mushroom]

According to the Marvel Super Heroes Players' Book, p. 37, "Stop/Prevent Robbery" is +20 Karma. "Permit Robbery" is -10 Karma. "Commit Robbery" isn't on the table for some reason, but based on the costs of committing other crimes, it should probably be -40 Karma. Most of my stats are Incredible (40) or higher, with my lowest being Good (10) Intuition, which means it'll take a crapton of Karma to actually advance anything, and I'm already down a fair bit for using my superpowers to beat the crap out of an ordinary human earlier.

So it's clearly a better deal to stop the robbery and return the money than to permit it or to take the money myself and hope to scrounge up some Karma in role-playing awards.

There's no real risk in any case... with Amazing Agility and Combat Sense, I can literally dodge bullets, and failing that I have more than enough Health to just tank pistol shots.

Karma’s a huge theme when Stan Lee is in charge. But in the IM Verse, it may work a bit differently

[Infected Mushroom]

It surprises me that a majority went the other way to Peter Parker according to polls

Don't know what poll you're looking at, but it looks like "I missed the part where there's my problem" is winning and that's the route Peter Parker went.

He ended up regretting it though

[Kowani]

Don't know what poll you're looking at, but it looks like "I missed the part where there's my problem" is winning and that's the route Peter Parker went.

He ended up regretting it though

we have no uncle ben
no regrets

[Infected Mushroom]

He ended up regretting it though

we have no uncle ben
no regrets

Uncle Ben was deliberately removed from the setup of this hypothetical in order to facilitate the necessary trade offs to the appropriate degree

[Heloin]

we have no uncle ben
no regrets

Uncle Ben was deliberately removed from the setup of this hypothetical in order to facilitate the necessary trade offs to the appropriate degree

Then there's no point mentioning that Spider Man regretted it.

[Infected Mushroom]

Uncle Ben was deliberately removed from the setup of this hypothetical in order to facilitate the necessary trade offs to the appropriate degree

Then there's no point mentioning that Spider Man regretted it.

I'm simply pointing out that the results of the poll would seem to show that morality on NSG is different from morality in Spider-Man, something I didn't expect because I thought posters would largely agree with the great power comes with great responsibility ideology

[Heloin]

Then there's no point mentioning that Spider Man regretted it.

I'm simply pointing out that the results of the poll would seem to show that morality on NSG is different from morality in Spider-Man, something I didn't expect because I thought posters would largely agree with the great power comes with great responsibility ideology

Spider Man let the guy go past. The majority decided to do exactly what Spider Man did and without an Uncle Ben there's no reason to think further then that.

[Infected Mushroom]

I'm simply pointing out that the results of the poll would seem to show that morality on NSG is different from morality in Spider-Man, something I didn't expect because I thought posters would largely agree with the great power comes with great responsibility ideology

Spider Man let the guy go past. The majority decided to do exactly what Spider Man did and without an Uncle Ben there's no reason to think further then that.

but he later regarded it (and not just as a matter of the actually suffered consequence) as a morally wrong choice

so the Spiderverse/Marvel-verse is still coming out as saying "he should have stopped the robber"

[Heloin]

Spider Man let the guy go past. The majority decided to do exactly what Spider Man did and without an Uncle Ben there's no reason to think further then that.

but he later regarded it (and not just as a matter of the actually suffered consequence) as a morally wrong choice

so the Spiderverse/Marvel-verse is still coming out as saying "he should have stopped the robber"

Thus his choice is irrelevant to the choice of this thread, you can't have this both ways. If you remove Uncle Ben then Spider Man regretting the decision is pointless because it has nothing to do with the scenario. If you keep Uncle Ben then most people aren't going to let the butterfly effect that kills uncle Ben play out.

[The Free Joy State]

Spider Man let the guy go past. The majority decided to do exactly what Spider Man did and without an Uncle Ben there's no reason to think further then that.

but he later regarded it (and not just as a matter of the actually suffered consequence) as a morally wrong choice

so the Spiderverse/Marvel-verse is still coming out as saying "he should have stopped the robber"

Only because of the non-existent Uncle Ben.

And, earlier, you said that Karma is part of the Marvelverse, but may work differently in the IM-verse.

According to the Marvel Super Heroes Players' Book, p. 37, "Stop/Prevent Robbery" is +20 Karma. "Permit Robbery" is -10 Karma. "Commit Robbery" isn't on the table for some reason, but based on the costs of committing other crimes, it should probably be -40 Karma. Most of my stats are Incredible (40) or higher, with my lowest being Good (10) Intuition, which means it'll take a crapton of Karma to actually advance anything, and I'm already down a fair bit for using my superpowers to beat the crap out of an ordinary human earlier.

So it's clearly a better deal to stop the robbery and return the money than to permit it or to take the money myself and hope to scrounge up some Karma in role-playing awards.

There's no real risk in any case... with Amazing Agility and Combat Sense, I can literally dodge bullets, and failing that I have more than enough Health to just tank pistol shots.

Karma’s a huge theme when Stan Lee is in charge. But in the IM Verse, it may work a bit differently

So, there's no reason why any option 2 answerers should regret it -- no Uncle Ben, no karma... no regret.

[Infected Mushroom]

but he later regarded it (and not just as a matter of the actually suffered consequence) as a morally wrong choice

so the Spiderverse/Marvel-verse is still coming out as saying "he should have stopped the robber"

Thus his choice is irrelevant to the choice of this thread, you can't have this both ways. If you remove Uncle Ben then Spider Man regretting the decision is pointless because it has nothing to do with the scenario. If you keep Uncle Ben then most people aren't going to let the butterfly effect that kills uncle Ben play out.

It's not about whether or not Uncle Ben dies, it's the underlying hero's ideology/justification

[Comerciante]

but he later regarded it (and not just as a matter of the actually suffered consequence) as a morally wrong choice

so the Spiderverse/Marvel-verse is still coming out as saying "he should have stopped the robber"

Thus his choice is irrelevant to the choice of this thread, you can't have this both ways. If you remove Uncle Ben then Spider Man regretting the decision is pointless because it has nothing to do with the scenario. If you keep Uncle Ben then most people aren't going to let the butterfly effect that kills uncle Ben play out.

Hey wait a sec! But he's not my Uncle Ben.

I don't have a Uncle Ben. All my Uncles aren't even on Island!

So I get a pass! Although I guess I would feel a little bad if some other guys Uncle Ben got shot. But not bad enough to stop the thief.

My profits were harmed after all.

[Heloin]

Thus his choice is irrelevant to the choice of this thread, you can't have this both ways. If you remove Uncle Ben then Spider Man regretting the decision is pointless because it has nothing to do with the scenario. If you keep Uncle Ben then most people aren't going to let the butterfly effect that kills uncle Ben play out.

It's not about whether or not Uncle Ben dies, it's the underlying hero's ideology/justification

For those in the cheap seats, you can't have this both ways. If there isn't an Uncle Ben at risk then stating that we are "disagreeing with Spider Man" is a useless statement that has nothing to do with the thread. When you remove the reason Spider Man regrets his action then there is no reason to say that we should also regret choosing that option, why should we?

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

I will remind the original poster that his leading post specifically asks “what do [we] do”, and not “what should we do”.

Peter Parker very explicitly did let the robber get away. Whether he regretted it afterwards is not relevant to the discussion of what the canon answer is.

[Kannap]

Don't know what poll you're looking at, but it looks like "I missed the part where there's my problem" is winning and that's the route Peter Parker went.

He ended up regretting it though

Yeah, because Uncle Ben dies.

You've removed Uncle Ben from the equation, you've removed the regret.

[Kannap]

Spider Man let the guy go past. The majority decided to do exactly what Spider Man did and without an Uncle Ben there's no reason to think further then that.

but he later regarded it (and not just as a matter of the actually suffered consequence) as a morally wrong choice

so the Spiderverse/Marvel-verse is still coming out as saying "he should have stopped the robber"

No, that's not what happened.

He felt tremendous guilt for letting his Uncle Ben die, as he felt he was the one who killed his Uncle Ben by allowing the criminal to get away, and that's his origin story into becoming a crime fighter, to hopefully make Uncle Ben proud. Because, in the entire scenario of both movies, Uncle Ben was the only person who tried to stop the crime from happening and ultimately paid his life for it.

I doubt Peter sat down and reflected on the morality of theft when he was too busy thinking about - originally revenge on the guy who killed his uncle - and crimefighting to make up for killing his uncle.

You've removed Uncle Ben from the equation, I get to go home and never think about that manager or robber again - unless I randomly remember the manager one day and remember how pissed I was at him.

[Kannap]

Thus his choice is irrelevant to the choice of this thread, you can't have this both ways. If you remove Uncle Ben then Spider Man regretting the decision is pointless because it has nothing to do with the scenario. If you keep Uncle Ben then most people aren't going to let the butterfly effect that kills uncle Ben play out.

It's not about whether or not Uncle Ben dies, it's the underlying hero's ideology/justification

Then you've misunderstood the entire existence of Spiderman and should have just created your own scenario instead of borrowing from an existing story. Spiderman's origin as a crimefighter is literally because Uncle Ben dies as a result of Peter not stopping a crime and Uncle Ben being the only one to attempt to stop said crime.

[Ethel mermania]

It's not about whether or not Uncle Ben dies, it's the underlying hero's ideology/justification

Then you've misunderstood the entire existence of Spiderman and should have just created your own scenario instead of borrowing from an existing story. Spiderman's origin as a crimefighter is literally because Uncle Ben dies as a result of Peter not stopping a crime and Uncle Ben being the only one to attempt to stop said crime.

The moral question works better without it though. With uncle Ben dying there is an emotional component to the answer, pull him out, that pull goes away and back to "what is moral".

[The Blaatschapen]

Then you've misunderstood the entire existence of Spiderman and should have just created your own scenario instead of borrowing from an existing story. Spiderman's origin as a crimefighter is literally because Uncle Ben dies as a result of Peter not stopping a crime and Uncle Ben being the only one to attempt to stop said crime.

The moral question works better without it though. With uncle Ben dying there is an emotional component to the answer, pull him out, that pull goes away and back to "what is moral".

Pulling out Uncle Ben is why Ben doesn't have any kids of his own.

[Kannap]

Then you've misunderstood the entire existence of Spiderman and should have just created your own scenario instead of borrowing from an existing story. Spiderman's origin as a crimefighter is literally because Uncle Ben dies as a result of Peter not stopping a crime and Uncle Ben being the only one to attempt to stop said crime.

The moral question works better without it though. With uncle Ben dying there is an emotional component to the answer, pull him out, that pull goes away and back to "what is moral".

Certainly, but IM can't choose to do that and then also try and use Peter's guilt for his Uncle's death as justification for us to feel guilt/regret now.

Don't know what poll you're looking at, but it looks like "I missed the part where there's my problem" is winning and that's the route Peter Parker went.

He ended up regretting it though

It's very obvious Peter regretted it because Uncle Ben died. I'm sure some people might feel bad about letting a robber get past even if nothing happens after the fact, but IM cannot specifically use Peter's guilt/regret to suggest we all should feel guilt/regret in this scenario because IM has removed Uncle Ben's death from the entire scenario.

[Ethel mermania]

The moral question works better without it though. With uncle Ben dying there is an emotional component to the answer, pull him out, that pull goes away and back to "what is moral".

Pulling out Uncle Ben is why Ben doesn't have any kids of his own.

SHAME!, you should feel shame for that one.