The Chinese Communist Party is right or wrong?

[Genivaria]

If you want to regurgitate official Chinese history bullshit then at least be more creative with your efforts. The CCP did fuckall against the Japanese in WW2 except for the Hundred Regiments Offensive and minor guerilla battles while Kuomintang's forces were fighting conventional campaigns, which proved to be costly for Chiang Kai-shek and his troops especially in Battle of Shanghai and Operation Ichi-Go.

That isn’t historically accurate.

For the record, Chiang Kai Shek ran a real dictatorship in Taiwan. Taiwan wasn’t a western style democracy until very recently. People actually fled Taiwan to China because it was so bad.

If China was so bad and CCP were so power hungry, couldn’t they just invade Taiwan already? No. Because CCP doesn’t want war. The people don’t want war. Something Chiang Kai Shek learned too late when he let Japan trample over China.

Past is past.

Not without causing WW3 no.

No. Because CCP doesn’t want war.

Top lol

[Islamic Holy Sites]

If you want to regurgitate official Chinese history bullshit then at least be more creative with your efforts. The CCP did fuckall against the Japanese in WW2 except for the Hundred Regiments Offensive and minor guerilla battles while Kuomintang's forces were fighting conventional campaigns, which proved to be costly for Chiang Kai-shek and his troops especially in Battle of Shanghai and Operation Ichi-Go.

That isn’t historically accurate.

For the record, Chiang Kai Shek ran a real dictatorship in Taiwan. Taiwan wasn’t a western style democracy until very recently. People actually fled Taiwan to China because it was so bad.

If China was so bad and CCP were so power hungry, couldn’t they just invade Taiwan already? No. Because CCP doesn’t want war. The people don’t want war. Something Chiang Kai Shek learned too late when he let Japan trample over China.

Past is past.

Of course it's past. Taiwan is now a democracy and China is still putting people in concentration camps.

[Saiwania]

China has gotten too rich and powerful for my liking. It's a threat to the preexisting world order and I don't like it. To that end, that is why I'm in favor of an interventionist foreign policy by the US and any other nations that're aligned against China- which has essentially taken the place of what the Soviet Union used to be in terms of a rival superpower. Behind the scenes, it should be more like the old days where secret operations and proxy wars were done on a regular basis.

I propose that Ugyghur separatists be armed by sympathetic factions/countries to go fight China's hold on Xinjiang and the surrounding region in a bid to drain China's coffers and weaken or undermine the PRC across the board. It is all the more better in my view, if the entire Muslim world can be rallied to Jihad against what China is doing to hurt the Uyghurs.

There is some risk for blowback, but my belief is that it is minimal compared to the alternative of letting China continue to only get more leverage to dominate the global economy and institutions.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

China has gotten too rich and powerful for my liking. It's a threat to the preexisting world order and I don't like it. To that end, that is why I'm in favor of an interventionist foreign policy by the US and any other nations that're aligned against China- which has essentially taken the place of what the Soviet Union used to be in terms of a rival superpower. Behind the scenes, it should be more like the old days where secret operations and proxy wars were done on a regular basis.

I propose that Ugyghur separatists be armed by sympathetic factions/countries to go fight China's hold on Xinjiang and the surrounding region in a bid to drain China's coffers and weaken or undermine the PRC across the board. It is all the more better in my view, if the entire Muslim world can be rallied to Jihad against what China is doing to hurt the Uyghurs.

There is some risk for blowback, but my belief is that it is minimal compared to the alternative of letting China continue to only get more leverage to dominate the global economy and institutions.

But when muslims do jihad against anything else, it is terrorism? Don't get me wrong, I hate China, but using muslims as pawns doesn't get you anywhere. Also, China won't think twice about brutally massacring any revolters. And the Muslim world hates the USA more than China, in my opinion.

[Stellar Colonies]

Do you have any evidence to present, and are you going to address the information provided in Pitcairn's post?

Without doing either, all you are posting is a series of words as verifiable as a sci-fi novel from the '50s.

They posted a tweet and some blogs as evidence of a widely debunked conspiracy theory about China.

Nothing to address.

ok

So what is your evidence that it is a 'widely debunked conspiracy theory'? You have provided nothing to back your assertations.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Imagine being hired to "patriotically" defend your corrupt slaver state motherland on some random western forum thing... only to get 0.5 rmb/post. I'd ask for a payrise if that wasn't counter-reformism.

[Resilient Acceleration]

Imagine being hired to "patriotically" defend your corrupt slaver state motherland on some random western forum thing... only to get 0.5 rmb/post. I'd ask for a payrise if that wasn't counter-reformism.

Down with the oppressors! Workers of the world, unite! Wait...

[Resilient Acceleration]

China has gotten too rich and powerful for my liking. It's a threat to the preexisting world order and I don't like it. To that end, that is why I'm in favor of an interventionist foreign policy by the US and any other nations that're aligned against China- which has essentially taken the place of what the Soviet Union used to be in terms of a rival superpower. Behind the scenes, it should be more like the old days where secret operations and proxy wars were done on a regular basis.

I propose that Ugyghur separatists be armed by sympathetic factions/countries to go fight China's hold on Xinjiang and the surrounding region in a bid to drain China's coffers and weaken or undermine the PRC across the board. It is all the more better in my view, if the entire Muslim world can be rallied to Jihad against what China is doing to hurt the Uyghurs.

There is some risk for blowback, but my belief is that it is minimal compared to the alternative of letting China continue to only get more leverage to dominate the global economy and institutions.

But when muslims do jihad against anything else, it is terrorism? Don't get me wrong, I hate China, but using muslims as pawns doesn't get you anywhere. Also, China won't think twice about brutally massacring any revolters. And the Muslim world hates the USA more than China, in my opinion.

Well, depend on the place. In Southeast Asia, many Muslims hate the Chinese (like, as an ethnicity) far more, due to racism propagated by Islamist hardliners. Especially since China is ruled under a godless communism. Of course, the hardliners often add that communism is invented by the capitalist Jewry and Dajjal followers, so I guess it doesn't really matter in the end.

[Cancolastan]

In my humble opinion, what China has been doing within it's own borders (minus the Styrofoam Corn Cob buildings, killing local economies elsewhere in the world, polluting a crap ton and horrific working laws/conditions) is actually pretty good. The one problem I do have however is when they go full Imperialism and start looking at land outside of it's true border.

[New Jacobland]

This history of the Sino-Japanese war is bull****. What actually happened is that Chiang Kai-Shek, Mao, and the warlords agreed to stop fighting to drive out the Japanese. This means the onus rests as much on Mao as it does on Chiang. The people did protest once, Tiananmen Square. Guess what! China sent tanks and murdered them

That is simplified version of events. How do you think Mao defeated Chiang Kai-Shek? China is huge. It’s impossible to succeed without some of the people’s support. China was devastated by decades of unrest and Japanese war crimes. If they hated Mao like they hated the Kuomintang they would’ve discarded him for another warlord. Instead, they joined the Communists because, unlike Kuomintang, they actually cared about the peasants.

The people protested in the 90s. Right to protest is a human right isn’t it? The people spoke, and CCP answered. China reformed its economic policy to be more capitalist. And it instituted democratic reforms. No more “Chairman”. China has a President whose elected by the legislature. Legislature is elected by the people’s representatives. People win and lose elections in China all the time, just like America. If it was a dictatorship, the politicians would be in power for life.

Two of China’s recent Presidents voluntarily stepped down when their terms were over. Peaceful transfer of power doesn’t happen in dictatorships. Trump and Biden wasn’t very peaceful. Yet we know America is not a dictatorship.

I agree Mao had support in the beginning. He got to get the peasants and labourers on his side with his talk about communi, but they then realised they had made a bad call.

[-Ocelot-]

Imagine being hired to "patriotically" defend your corrupt slaver state motherland on some random western forum thing... only to get 0.5 rmb/post. I'd ask for a payrise if that wasn't counter-reformism.

I wonder how many defenders of the CCP are actually on a payroll outside of Chinese forums. Some people do it for free and I believe that some governments see this and try to radicalize westerners into doing that job without getting paid.

[Rusozak]

Particularly if defending one's homeland was a comfortable and gratifying thing to do. I wouldn't do it for China, but of course China is not my homeland.

Only it has the opposite affect. I'm less likely to take a nation seriously if said nation feels the need to make its citizens feverishly defend its image in message boards and forums. Imagine a world power that feels threatened by reddit.

[Rusozak]

Only it has the opposite affect. I'm less likely to take a nation seriously if said nation feels the need to make its citizens feverishly defend its image in message boards and forums. Imagine a world power that feels threatened by reddit.

Actually not hard to imagine. Reddit has nearly half a billion users, but luckily they are not all united in one cause.

99% of whom are shit posters that probably have no actual intent of acting on their beliefs/promises. My point is it's petty and makes you look bad. Like When Trump was going after every little bit of criticism no matter who it came from, even picking fights with actual children online. It's embarrassing for China to put so much effort into owning keyboard warriors.

[Giovenith]

Imagine being hired to "patriotically" defend your corrupt slaver state motherland on some random western forum thing... only to get 0.5 rmb/post. I'd ask for a payrise if that wasn't counter-reformism.

We can do without baiting accusations, please.

[Magical North Korea]

Particularly if defending one's homeland was a comfortable and gratifying thing to do. I wouldn't do it for China, but of course China is not my homeland.

Only it has the opposite affect. I'm less likely to take a nation seriously if said nation feels the need to make its citizens feverishly defend its image in message boards and forums. Imagine a world power that feels threatened by reddit.

Then I suggest you don't see what Americans on Reddit do when someone so much as dares suggest their country is wrong.

[Magical North Korea]

China has gotten too rich and powerful for my liking. It's a threat to the preexisting world order and I don't like it. To that end, that is why I'm in favor of an interventionist foreign policy by the US and any other nations that're aligned against China- which has essentially taken the place of what the Soviet Union used to be in terms of a rival superpower. Behind the scenes, it should be more like the old days where secret operations and proxy wars were done on a regular basis.

I propose that Ugyghur separatists be armed by sympathetic factions/countries to go fight China's hold on Xinjiang and the surrounding region in a bid to drain China's coffers and weaken or undermine the PRC across the board. It is all the more better in my view, if the entire Muslim world can be rallied to Jihad against what China is doing to hurt the Uyghurs.

There is some risk for blowback, but my belief is that it is minimal compared to the alternative of letting China continue to only get more leverage to dominate the global economy and institutions.

Interesting proposal, given that the CIA did fund separatist and terrorist groups there before the movement was condemned by the UN Security Council.
https://www.un.org/securitycouncil/sanc ... c-movement

[Rusozak]

Only it has the opposite affect. I'm less likely to take a nation seriously if said nation feels the need to make its citizens feverishly defend its image in message boards and forums. Imagine a world power that feels threatened by reddit.

Then I suggest you don't see what Americans on Reddit do when someone so much as dares suggest their country is wrong.

That's just redditors being redditors. I'm talking about states committing resources to online arguments. Imagine your tax dollars going towards winning a fight on a message board.

[Orostan]

Then I suggest you don't see what Americans on Reddit do when someone so much as dares suggest their country is wrong.

That's just redditors being redditors. I'm talking about states committing resources to online arguments. Imagine your tax dollars going towards winning a fight on a message board.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Earnest_Voice

[Rusozak]

That's just redditors being redditors. I'm talking about states committing resources to online arguments. Imagine your tax dollars going towards winning a fight on a message board.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Earnest_Voice

God damn it.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Earnest_Voice

God damn it.

That is pretty scary...

[Genivaria]

That's just redditors being redditors. I'm talking about states committing resources to online arguments. Imagine your tax dollars going towards winning a fight on a message board.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Earnest_Voice

Well.....fuck.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Is that surprising? Isn't that a very moderate plan?The Internet is an important military asset. The Pentagon said that 25 years ago
The Internet could also be used offensively as an additional medium in psychological operations campaigns and to help achieve unconventional warfare objectives.
Revisiting a strategic assessment of the Internet
If compared with Boundless Informant,Bullrun,DCS1000,DCSNet,US-990 Fairview,ICREACH,fbi Magic Lantern,
DHS media monitoring services,MUSCULAR DS-200B,MYSTIC REPROTING,Room 641A，MAINWAY,Tailored Access Operations，this action is too mild(It's too much. I'm tired of typing, which is less than half of what I can know).Anyway, it's basically the things like encourage all communication and hardware devices to set up backdoors, monitor everyone's phone, network, voice and other records, conduct data mining, freely access all media and social company's data and public opinion control and so on.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

https://swprs.org/der-propaganda-multiplikator/

Es ist einer der wichtigsten Aspekte unseres Mediensystems – und dennoch in der Öffentlichkeit nahezu unbekannt: Der größte Teil der internationalen Nachrichten in all unseren Medien stammt von nur drei globalen Nachrichtenagenturen aus New York, London und Paris.
It is one of the most important aspects of our media system, yet almost unknown to the public: the majority of international news in all our media comes from only three global news agencies from New York, London and Paris.

[Miku the Based]

God damn it.

That is pretty scary...

Scary for you but the usual for me.
Real doomer hours.

[New Jacobland]

Particularly if defending one's homeland was a comfortable and gratifying thing to do. I wouldn't do it for China, but of course China is not my homeland.

Only it has the opposite affect. I'm less likely to take a nation seriously if said nation feels the need to make its citizens feverishly defend its image in message boards and forums. Imagine a world power that feels threatened by reddit.

I mean considering what happened with GameStop I can think of one power that may be wary of Reddit, at least finanacially.