The Chinese Communist Party is right or wrong?

[Saniston]

The CPC was quite good up until 1976 when the revisionists took over.

[CalaisDenmark]

The First, They came from Nationalists(KMT).
I wasn't a Nationalist, so I didn't speak up.
Then they came from Uyghurs and Tibets.
I wasn't a Uyghur or Tibet., so I didn't speak up.
Then they came from Democrat.
I wasn't a Democrat, so I didn't speak up.
Then they came from Falun Gong.
I wasn't a Falun Gong, so I didn't speak up.
Then they come from me,
I know no one will speak up.

Original worker:Martin Niemöller
Adaptation from: CalaisDenmark

When you are enjoying your Political Freedom, Please think of the poor Chinese People.

[CalaisDenmark]

Republic of China isn't suck.

It is better than the PRC. Much better. But honestly I think they won't ever be able to take back the mainland.

Belief ROC will take back mainland.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

The First, They came from Nationalists(KMT).
I wasn't a Nationalist, so I didn't speak up.
Then they came from Uyghurs and Tibets.
I wasn't a Uyghur or Tibet., so I didn't speak up.
Then they came from Democrat.
I wasn't a Democrat, so I didn't speak up.
Then they came from Falun Gong.
I wasn't a Falun Gong, so I didn't speak up.
Then they come from me,
I know no one will speak up.

Original worker:Martin Niemöller
Adaptation from: CalaisDenmark

When you are enjoying your Political Freedom, Please think of the poor Chinese People.

That is good, but I think you mean FOR, not from.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

It is better than the PRC. Much better. But honestly I think they won't ever be able to take back the mainland.

Belief ROC will take back mainland.

How? The US isn't coming in guns blazing to help Taiwan, they just want money.

[CalaisDenmark]

一場戰爭神州難
海峽對峙的兩岸
我家就在岸上住
聽見了人民的哀號
看慣了路上的白骨

這是倒退的祖國
毛賊說要大煉鋼
造成了全國巨大飢荒
到處只能吃到兩腳羊


Republics of China lost in a civil war
The two sides of the strait confrontation
My family lives on the shore
Heard the wailing of the people
seeing the bones on the road


This is a regressive motherland
Mao Zedong said he wants to make big steel
Caused a huge famine throughout the country
You can only eat human flesh everywhere

Chinese is miserable in CCP.

[CalaisDenmark]

Belief ROC will take back mainland.

How? The US isn't coming in guns blazing to help Taiwan, they just want money.

Are you Taiwanese? I'm.

[New Jacobland]

How? The US isn't coming in guns blazing to help Taiwan, they just want money.

Are you Taiwanese? I'm.

As an Australian, I'm not confident the ROC will take back China. Not to say I don't want them to, but realistically it probably won't happen. The only scenario I see where the ROC does get China is if Russia allies with the USA, and that chance gets smaller by the day.

[CalaisDenmark]

Are you Taiwanese? I'm.

As an Australian, I'm not confident the ROC will take back China. Not to say I don't want them to, but realistically it probably won't happen. The only scenario I see where the ROC does get China is if Russia allies with the USA, and that chance gets smaller by the day.

Russia doesn't like the US.

[New Jacobland]

As an Australian, I'm not confident the ROC will take back China. Not to say I don't want them to, but realistically it probably won't happen. The only scenario I see where the ROC does get China is if Russia allies with the USA, and that chance gets smaller by the day.

Russia doesn't like the US.

Precisely why I said the scenario was very unlikely.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

How? The US isn't coming in guns blazing to help Taiwan, they just want money.

Are you Taiwanese? I'm.

That doesn't change the fact that China has 3rd largest military and largest population, meanwhile the ROC is 22nd in military and 57th in population.

[China Tech]

Are you Taiwanese? I'm.

That doesn't change the fact that China has 3rd largest military and largest population, meanwhile the ROC is 22nd in military and 57th in population.

Sigh, After Lee-Deng-Huei, Taiwan is not better than long time ago. But I still want to save Taiwan and Republic of China.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

That doesn't change the fact that China has 3rd largest military and largest population, meanwhile the ROC is 22nd in military and 57th in population.

Sigh, After Lee-Deng-Huei, Taiwan is not better than long time ago. But I still want to save Taiwan and Republic of China.

I think that independence is the best Taiwan can hope for.

[FNU]

This is not a flaming or trolling attempt, just a thought experiment. The American democratic and republican parties are often discussed here, so im bringing up the theme of the Chinese Communist Party that is larger and more powerful than both.

Many of you dislike the Chinese Communist Party, but do you think that everything they do is always wrong?

Because they do have results to show, namely how poverty has decreased immensely in China, and how they are one of the few political parties in the world with a strategic worldview (the belt and road initiative for example).

The social credit system sounds draconian, but how many of you drive by a broken neighbourhood and think "the government should really do something about this"...well, they are doing something about it.

I also admit that some of their internal security mesures seem...a bit excessive.

But I leave the question anyway, how right or wrong do you believe the CCP is?

There is no excuse for China's more recent actions, especially the genocide of the Uyghur people. Poverty rates are decreasing only because everyone is living in the same slums, alongside their lack of personal freedoms. Tell me this comrade, what happened from April 15th, 1989 to June 4th, 1989? Well, you and I know that Tiananmen Square and surrounding protests occurred, but the average citizen? They haven't the foggiest idea what happened. Certain countries, like the Czech Republic, have special signs which tell Chinese tourists "Heya, why live under a ruthless Authoritarian Capitalist states when you could instead stay in a nation where you won't be shot for mentioning tank man. When you have to put up a sign to educated a nation's people on their own nation, you know things have gone downhill. So yes, 99.9% of the time, China and the CCP are in the wrong.

[Winnie Xi]

一場戰爭神州難
海峽對峙的兩岸
我家就在岸上住
聽見了人民的哀號
看慣了路上的白骨

這是倒退的祖國
毛賊說要大煉鋼
造成了全國巨大飢荒
到處只能吃到兩腳羊


Republics of China lost in a civil war
The two sides of the strait confrontation
My family lives on the shore
Heard the wailing of the people
seeing the bones on the road


This is a regressive motherland
Mao Zedong said he wants to make big steel
Caused a huge famine throughout the country
You can only eat human flesh everywhere

Chinese is miserable in CCP.

Chinese is not miserable, CCP take the Strong Economy and Democracy.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

Chinese is miserable in CCP.

Chinese is not miserable, CCP take the Strong Economy and Democracy.

Democracy. That's why they're in power for since they won the civil war.

[Raioge]

紅衛兵像瘋子一樣
他們的心胸不寬廣
為了砸爛舊世界
鬥死的人像座高山
讓那河流血一樣


這是暴力的祖國
倫理敗壞的地方
在這片枯老的土地上
有個恐怖的紅太陽


The Red Guards is like a madman
They are not broad-minded
To smash the old world
The person who was dead is like a mountain
Make that river blood like


This is the motherland of violence
Ethical corruption
On this dry old motherland
There is a scary red sun

[Green Line Go Up]

The CPC was quite good up until 1976 when the revisionists took over.

Ehhhhh I wouldn’t dnt say that good. It only started getting good once they liberalized their economy and privatized most industries which really helped. Within years the food industries output doubled compared to the failed idea of collectivization.

[Raioge]

好山好水好地方
條條大路通廣場
坦克來了要逃亡
若是那民主人來了
迎接他的是把槍


這是黨大的祖國
我回不去的地方
若人民見到一點光
中共你即將要敗亡


Beautiful mountain, clear water, good place
All roads lead to Tiananmensquares
When the tank is coming, people need to flee
If the democrats come
He was greeted by a gun


This is the motherland of the Autocracy
Where I can't go back
If the people see ROC Whampoa Army
CCP, you are almost to lose

[Raioge]

一場戰爭神州難
海峽對峙的兩岸
我家就在岸上住
聽見了人民的哀號
看慣了路上的白骨

這是倒退的祖國
毛賊說要大煉鋼
造成了全國巨大飢荒
到處只能吃到兩腳羊


Republics of China lost in a civil war
The two sides of the strait confrontation
My family lives on the shore
Heard the wailing of the people
seeing the bones on the road


This is a regressive motherland
Mao Zedong said he wants to make big steel
Caused a huge famine throughout the country
You can only eat human flesh everywhere



紅衛兵像瘋子一樣
他們的心胸不寬廣
為了砸爛舊世界
鬥死的人像座高山
讓那河流血一樣


這是暴力的祖國
倫理敗壞的地方
在這片枯老的土地上
有個恐怖的紅太陽


The Red Guards is like a madman
They are not broad-minded
To smash the old world
The person who was dead is like a mountain
Make that river blood like


This is the motherland of violence
Ethical corruption
On this dry old motherland
There is a scary red sun



好山好水好地方
條條大路通廣場
坦克來了要逃亡
若是那民主人來了
迎接他的是把槍


這是黨大的祖國
我回不去的地方
若人民見到一點光
中共你即將要敗亡


Beautiful mountain, clear water, good place
All roads lead to Tiananmensquares
When the tank is coming, people need to flee
If the democrats come
He was greeted by a gun


This is the motherland of the Autocracy
Where I can't go back
If the people see ROC Whampoa Army
CCP, you are almost to lose




Original worker:Lyrics: 喬羽 Music:劉熾
Adaptation from: Raioge

[Sykar Socialist]

一場戰爭神州難
海峽對峙的兩岸
我家就在岸上住
聽見了人民的哀號
看慣了路上的白骨

這是倒退的祖國
毛賊說要大煉鋼
造成了全國巨大飢荒
到處只能吃到兩腳羊


Republics of China lost in a civil war
The two sides of the strait confrontation
My family lives on the shore
Heard the wailing of the people
seeing the bones on the road


This is a regressive motherland
Mao Zedong said he wants to make big steel
Caused a huge famine throughout the country
You can only eat human flesh everywhere



紅衛兵像瘋子一樣
他們的心胸不寬廣
為了砸爛舊世界
鬥死的人像座高山
讓那河流血一樣


這是暴力的祖國
倫理敗壞的地方
在這片枯老的土地上
有個恐怖的紅太陽


The Red Guards is like a madman
They are not broad-minded
To smash the old world
The person who was dead is like a mountain
Make that river blood like


This is the motherland of violence
Ethical corruption
On this dry old motherland
There is a scary red sun



好山好水好地方
條條大路通廣場
坦克來了要逃亡
若是那民主人來了
迎接他的是把槍


這是黨大的祖國
我回不去的地方
若人民見到一點光
中共你即將要敗亡


Beautiful mountain, clear water, good place
All roads lead to Tiananmensquares
When the tank is coming, people need to flee
If the democrats come
He was greeted by a gun


This is the motherland of the Autocracy
Where I can't go back
If the people see ROC Whampoa Army
CCP, you are almost to lose




Original worker:Lyrics: 喬羽 Music:劉熾
Adaptation from: Raioge

Oh, CCP gives people too oppress.

[China Tech]

一場戰爭神州難
海峽對峙的兩岸
我家就在岸上住
聽見了人民的哀號
看慣了路上的白骨

這是倒退的祖國
毛賊說要大煉鋼
造成了全國巨大飢荒
到處只能吃到兩腳羊


Republics of China lost in a civil war
The two sides of the strait confrontation
My family lives on the shore
Heard the wailing of the people
seeing the bones on the road


This is a regressive motherland
Mao Zedong said he wants to make big steel
Caused a huge famine throughout the country
You can only eat human flesh everywhere



紅衛兵像瘋子一樣
他們的心胸不寬廣
為了砸爛舊世界
鬥死的人像座高山
讓那河流血一樣


這是暴力的祖國
倫理敗壞的地方
在這片枯老的土地上
有個恐怖的紅太陽


The Red Guards is like a madman
They are not broad-minded
To smash the old world
The person who was dead is like a mountain
Make that river blood like


This is the motherland of violence
Ethical corruption
On this dry old motherland
There is a scary red sun



好山好水好地方
條條大路通廣場
坦克來了要逃亡
若是那民主人來了
迎接他的是把槍


這是黨大的祖國
我回不去的地方
若人民見到一點光
中共你即將要敗亡


Beautiful mountain, clear water, good place
All roads lead to Tiananmensquares
When the tank is coming, people need to flee
If the democrats come
He was greeted by a gun


This is the motherland of the Autocracy
Where I can't go back
If the people see ROC Whampoa Army
CCP, you are almost to lose




Original worker:Lyrics: 喬羽 Music:劉熾
Adaptation from: Raioge

Oh, CCP gives people too oppress.

Chinese are miserable.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Wish you an early success in your counterattack against the mainland.Otherwise KMT will be rushed to Taiping Island island by DPP

[Winnie Xi]

The First, They came from Nationalists(KMT).
I wasn't a Nationalist, so I didn't speak up.
Then they came from Uyghurs and Tibets.
I wasn't a Uyghur or Tibet., so I didn't speak up.
Then they came from Democrat.
I wasn't a Democrat, so I didn't speak up.
Then they came from Falun Gong.
I wasn't a Falun Gong, so I didn't speak up.
Then they come from me,
I know no one will speak up.

Original worker:Martin Niemöller
Adaptation from: CalaisDenmark

When you are enjoying your Political Freedom, Please think of the poor Chinese People.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9bsPHDMf1M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QbKJjL8SqY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ex0uvOA5bQ

[Winnie Xi]

一場戰爭神州難
海峽對峙的兩岸
我家就在岸上住
聽見了人民的哀號
看慣了路上的白骨

這是倒退的祖國
毛賊說要大煉鋼
造成了全國巨大飢荒
到處只能吃到兩腳羊


Republics of China lost in a civil war
The two sides of the strait confrontation
My family lives on the shore
Heard the wailing of the people
seeing the bones on the road


This is a regressive motherland
Mao Zedong said he wants to make big steel
Caused a huge famine throughout the country
You can only eat human flesh everywhere



紅衛兵像瘋子一樣
他們的心胸不寬廣
為了砸爛舊世界
鬥死的人像座高山
讓那河流血一樣


這是暴力的祖國
倫理敗壞的地方
在這片枯老的土地上
有個恐怖的紅太陽


The Red Guards is like a madman
They are not broad-minded
To smash the old world
The person who was dead is like a mountain
Make that river blood like


This is the motherland of violence
Ethical corruption
On this dry old motherland
There is a scary red sun



好山好水好地方
條條大路通廣場
坦克來了要逃亡
若是那民主人來了
迎接他的是把槍


這是黨大的祖國
我回不去的地方
若人民見到一點光
中共你即將要敗亡


Beautiful mountain, clear water, good place
All roads lead to Tiananmensquares
When the tank is coming, people need to flee
If the democrats come
He was greeted by a gun


This is the motherland of the Autocracy
Where I can't go back
If the people see ROC Whampoa Army
CCP, you are almost to lose




Original worker:Lyrics: 喬羽 Music:劉熾
Adaptation from: Raioge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QbKJjL8SqY