The Chinese Communist Party is right or wrong?

[Kubra]

It is not genocide ffs. Genocide is the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group. There is zero evidence or even allegations that there are killings, let alone deliberate murders in Xinjiang. Even the US has not mentioned ANY allegations of murder in the internment centres. Obviously there are allegations of forced sterilisation and forced labour, but this most definitely does not constitute a "genocide" despite how concerning and disgusting it is. But I agree that there is sufficient evidence to suggest a "genocide of culture", an ethnocide. But not a genocide. There is a reason why the US is reviewing the Trump administration's declaration of a genocide, why Trudeau abstained from the vote, why most reliable news sources do not label it a genocide and why Wikipedia may change its wording too.

tl;dr
There is no "genocide" in Xinjiang. Yes, there are allegations of human rights abuses but there is zero evidence or allegations of killings (let alone state-sponsored mass-genocide) of Uyghur people. You could maybe call it an "ethnocide" based on the alleged promotion of Han Chinese culture over Uyghur culture.

Obviously there are allegations of forced sterilisation and forced labour, but this most definitely does not constitute a "genocide"

Yes actually this does constitute genocide.

Not necessarily. Forced labour if not intended to be lethal and forced sterilisation, well, it will depend on future figures regarding fertility rates, and whether or not they can be considered actually trustworthy Regardless, at this time it's difficult to call what's occurring a "genocide" without adjectives.
"Cultural genocide?" Without a doubt, and frankly it may be the cruellest one yet to come. In fact, in such a form it may be worse than simply genocide.

[Greater Miami Shores]

This is not a flaming or trolling attempt, just a thought experiment. The American democratic and republican parties are often discussed here, so im bringing up the theme of the Chinese Communist Party that is larger and more powerful than both.

Many of you dislike the Chinese Communist Party, but do you think that everything they do is always wrong?

Because they do have results to show, namely how poverty has decreased immensely in China, and how they are one of the few political parties in the world with a strategic worldview (the belt and road initiative for example).

The social credit system sounds draconian, but how many of you drive by a broken neighbourhood and think "the government should really do something about this"...well, they are doing something about it.

I also admit that some of their internal security mesures seem...a bit excessive.

But I leave the question anyway, how right or wrong do you believe the CCP is?

I voted for option 3 The Chinese Communist Party CCP is Is more often wrong than right. I think China and the Chinese People are an awesome People and nation with great economic potential. As a native Cuban and American citizen I am a strong supporter of the Chinese People not the mainland Chinese Communist government. I consider Taiwan China as the one and only true China. This is what I call Taiwan, I RP the real life based nation of NS Taiwan China. I have a girl cousin of direct Cuban, Spaniard Chinese descent in the family, she is a beautiful Lady she looks white Euro Spaniard with certain Chinese facial features, we affectionately call her La China in the family, which means a Chinese Lady, a guy would be called El Chino, it is a Spanish, Hispanic cultural custom in España La Madre Patria and Hispanic nations, friends and family are affectionately called El Chino and La China, even if they are not of Chinese descent. At least 1% Percent of the Cuban People are of Chinese and mixed Chinese descent.

I have a pure Chinese Cuban friend and his family in Miami, who has a Chinese cousin and his family in Hong Kong, he once visited his cousin in Hong Kong and communicated through regular sign language pointing to this and that, and exchanged letters translated into Spanish and Chinese, they now exchange translated letters from time to time, he is concerned for his Chinese cousin and his family in Hong Kong.

As a native Cuban and American citizen the Chinese Communist Party regime reminds me of the eternal revolutionary Cuban government regime, that calls itself the continuity of the revolution as in permanent, this statement says it all and proves it all.

The CCP reminds me of the Cuban Committees for the defense of the Revolution CDRs. that keep a record of who you are, where you live, who you see, who sees you, your volunteer record or not for the revolution and your loyalty or not for the revolution. The CDRs do many social activities but they also report to the national police force and other government security agencies your loyalty or not for the eternal revolution. They organize repudiation demonstrations against those persons.

[Diarcesia]

Rise up so they can live in their own society?

Yes.

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[Endem]

They actively commit genocide for starters, they suppress Chinese people's freedom, they are warmongering, they are authoritarian, they censor the media, they are Orwellian, they meddle in other countries politics, they caused china to be the biggest polluter in the world, I could go on, the only silver lining is that when the party wants to do something, there is no political back and forth, but that, that is not nearly enough to justify everything else.

[New Jacobland]

They actively commit genocide for starters, they suppress Chinese people's freedom, they are warmongering, they are authoritarian, they censor the media, they are Orwellian, they meddle in other countries politics, they caused china to be the biggest polluter in the world, I could go on, the only silver lining is that when the party wants to do something, there is no political back and forth, but that, that is not nearly enough to justify everything else.

I completely agree.

(Although they are not the biggest polluter)

[Zurkir]

They actively commit genocide for starters, they suppress Chinese people's freedom, they are warmongering, they are authoritarian, they censor the media, they are Orwellian, they meddle in other countries politics, they caused china to be the biggest polluter in the world, I could go on, the only silver lining is that when the party wants to do something, there is no political back and forth, but that, that is not nearly enough to justify everything else.

(they are not the biggest polluter)

[New Jacobland]

(they are not the biggest polluter)

Okay, whoops.

[Clton]

This is not a flaming or trolling attempt, just a thought experiment. The American democratic and republican parties are often discussed here, so im bringing up the theme of the Chinese Communist Party that is larger and more powerful than both.

Many of you dislike the Chinese Communist Party, but do you think that everything they do is always wrong?

Because they do have results to show, namely how poverty has decreased immensely in China, and how they are one of the few political parties in the world with a strategic worldview (the belt and road initiative for example).

The social credit system sounds draconian, but how many of you drive by a broken neighbourhood and think "the government should really do something about this"...well, they are doing something about it.

I also admit that some of their internal security mesures seem...a bit excessive.

But I leave the question anyway, how right or wrong do you believe the CCP is?

动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门

Oh i'm sorry did i just terminate your access to this fourm
a copypasta shouldn't get a website banned
China is Totalitarian and i live to see the day it falls

[Zurkir]

Okay, whoops.

Don’t feel bad. I used to think it was India.

[Sungoldy-China]

What if someone doesn't want to create chaos and foment racism and prejudice, but wants to see China become a better country for everyone living there?

Someone want to do.
Chiang-Kai-Shek(RIP), Chiang Ching Guo(RIP), Xin hau nien(辛顥年, alive), my classmate(alive) and me(alive).

Want to do big things but cherish your reputation,Forgetting own safety for the immediate benefit,

I can see how all of your kind follow the RIP way.

[Raioge]

This is not a flaming or trolling attempt, just a thought experiment. The American democratic and republican parties are often discussed here, so im bringing up the theme of the Chinese Communist Party that is larger and more powerful than both.

Many of you dislike the Chinese Communist Party, but do you think that everything they do is always wrong?

Because they do have results to show, namely how poverty has decreased immensely in China, and how they are one of the few political parties in the world with a strategic worldview (the belt and road initiative for example).

The social credit system sounds draconian, but how many of you drive by a broken neighbourhood and think "the government should really do something about this"...well, they are doing something about it.

I also admit that some of their internal security mesures seem...a bit excessive.

But I leave the question anyway, how right or wrong do you believe the CCP is?

动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门

Oh i'm sorry did i just terminate your access to this fourm
a copypasta shouldn't get a website banned
China is Totalitarian and i live to see the day it falls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1_bYN_WKyE

[Kubra]

This is the only apologism for China I'll make, the pollution narrative is a really bad faith one. China is below most of us for per capita emissions, but its population is, you know, fucking huge. To bring down absolute emissions to Western rates it would have to outperform the west to a degree that not even the west can reasonably expect of itself.

[Raioge]

Someone want to do.
Chiang-Kai-Shek(RIP), Chiang Ching Guo(RIP), Xin hau nien(辛顥年, alive), my classmate(alive) and me(alive).

Want to do big things but cherish your reputation,Forgetting own safety for the immediate benefit,

I can see how all of your kind follow the RIP way.

Hahaha! I antiCCP, but I forgot my life.

[Sykar Socialist]

Someone want to do.
Chiang-Kai-Shek(RIP), Chiang Ching Guo(RIP), Xin hau nien(辛顥年, alive), my classmate(alive) and me(alive).

Want to do big things but cherish your reputation,Forgetting own safety for the immediate benefit,

I can see how all of your kind follow the RIP way.

Someones are alive.

[Winnie Xi]

Someone want to do.
Chiang-Kai-Shek(RIP), Chiang Ching Guo(RIP), Xin hau nien(辛顥年, alive), my classmate(alive) and me(alive).

Want to do big things but cherish your reputation,Forgetting own safety for the immediate benefit,

I can see how all of your kind follow the RIP way.

Comrade, you are good, we don't like ROC.

[Winnie Xi]

动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门

Oh i'm sorry did i just terminate your access to this fourm
a copypasta shouldn't get a website banned
China is Totalitarian and i live to see the day it falls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1_bYN_WKyE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQaRj4b6o_c

[Winnie Xi]

This is not a flaming or trolling attempt, just a thought experiment. The American democratic and republican parties are often discussed here, so im bringing up the theme of the Chinese Communist Party that is larger and more powerful than both.

Many of you dislike the Chinese Communist Party, but do you think that everything they do is always wrong?

Because they do have results to show, namely how poverty has decreased immensely in China, and how they are one of the few political parties in the world with a strategic worldview (the belt and road initiative for example).

The social credit system sounds draconian, but how many of you drive by a broken neighbourhood and think "the government should really do something about this"...well, they are doing something about it.

I also admit that some of their internal security mesures seem...a bit excessive.

But I leave the question anyway, how right or wrong do you believe the CCP is?

动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门

Oh i'm sorry did i just terminate your access to this fourm
a copypasta shouldn't get a website banned
China is Totalitarian and i live to see the day it falls

I'm not a Totalitarian.

[New Jacobland]

This is the only apologism for China I'll make, the pollution narrative is a really bad faith one. China is below most of us for per capita emissions, but its population is, you know, fucking huge. To bring down absolute emissions to Western rates it would have to outperform the west to a degree that not even the west can reasonably expect of itself.

This is true. They are also a developing country, developing in an age of climate change rhetoric (not action it seems). This issue was not an 1800s problem for say the USA.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

I wonder why leftists don't sympathize with Uyghurs when they are sympathizing with Palestinians, Syrians, Afghans and other Muslims.

because China is not western, and for many, their "anti-imperialism" really means anti-West.

Who says we don't sympathise with them?

[Islamic Holy Sites]

Yes actually this does constitute genocide.

Not necessarily. Forced labour if not intended to be lethal and forced sterilisation, well, it will depend on future figures regarding fertility rates, and whether or not they can be considered actually trustworthy Regardless, at this time it's difficult to call what's occurring a "genocide" without adjectives.
"Cultural genocide?" Without a doubt, and frankly it may be the cruellest one yet to come. In fact, in such a form it may be worse than simply genocide.

Have you heard of the torture?

[Odreria]

This will probably get deleted, but I don't care. China is bad. I say this because I am bold and brave and a hero. Please do not bring up facts or information about China, they do not matter. What matters is that I am righteous and good for hating the chinese. Please upvote and give award, otherwise it is censorship and will dilute the message about how great I am.

[Kubra]

Not necessarily. Forced labour if not intended to be lethal and forced sterilisation, well, it will depend on future figures regarding fertility rates, and whether or not they can be considered actually trustworthy Regardless, at this time it's difficult to call what's occurring a "genocide" without adjectives.
"Cultural genocide?" Without a doubt, and frankly it may be the cruellest one yet to come. In fact, in such a form it may be worse than simply genocide.

Have you heard of the torture?

which is why I said, and I quote, "in such a form it may be worse than simply genocide."

[Laurenthea]

The Chinese people and culture are just as good and respectable as any other people of the world. The CCP, however, is not. I do appreciate the work they did in uplifting millions from poverty in China, but it has come at a very great cost, the cost of people's basic liberties and freedoms. I strongly condemn the CCP's actions in Xinjiang, and hope the people of China realise what great damage the party is doing to them, their international image, and global peace as a whole.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

Have you heard of the torture?

which is why I said, and I quote, "in such a form it may be worse than simply genocide."

Wait, I didn't see that bit. Oops.

[Winnie Xi]

Not necessarily. Forced labour if not intended to be lethal and forced sterilisation, well, it will depend on future figures regarding fertility rates, and whether or not they can be considered actually trustworthy Regardless, at this time it's difficult to call what's occurring a "genocide" without adjectives.
"Cultural genocide?" Without a doubt, and frankly it may be the cruellest one yet to come. In fact, in such a form it may be worse than simply genocide.

Have you heard of the torture?

China doesn't have the torture.