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I think that the CCP:

Is right about everything
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4%
Is more often right than wrong
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10%
Is more often wrong than right
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52%
Is always in the wrong
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33%
 
Total votes : 689

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Arvenia
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Postby Arvenia » Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:29 pm

Nevertopia wrote:
The Military State of the Galapagos wrote:The Chinese Communist party is a corrupt anti-capitalist party that threatens world peace. Seriously how does a country with diplomatic ties to NORTH KOREA become a first world power.

the CCP exploited the chinese peoples growth to stay in power.

And it also operates a socialist market economy, which isn't communist at all.
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Postby Crockerland » Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:29 pm

Arvenia wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:what are you confused about?

That you prefer 8values and 9axes over political compass.

I don't know about 8values and 9axes, but the political compass increasingly fails to categorize political viewpoints in a way that's relevant to modern politics.

Following the international interventions in Iraq, Syria, and Libya, and the Migrant Crisis of the 2010s that followed, politics are largely shifting from a dichotomy of Left Wing vs. Right Wing, to one of Globalism vs. Nationalism.

In the US for instance, globalist right-wing neoconservatives such as Mitt Romney, Jeff Flake, Bill Weld, Joe Walsh, Phil Scott, Colin Powell, the Lincoln Project and 43 Alumni PAC have allied themselves with Globalists on the Left while admonishing and working against Nationalists on the Right. Said Right-Wing Nationalists, meanwhile, increasingly sacrifice right-wing positions in the interests of Nationalism, such as trade policies favoring tariffs and Protectionism over Free Trade and the Free Market.


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Postby Stylan » Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:45 pm

The Chinese Communist Party is a disgrace to the working class of the world. Fuck them.
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The Military State of the Galapagos
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Postby The Military State of the Galapagos » Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:54 pm

Stylan wrote:The Chinese Communist Party is a disgrace to the working class of the world. F*** them.

Couldn't have said it better myself. (Except maybe take of the F*** them part mostly so you don't get banned by the big scary admins)
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Postby Sungoldy-China » Thu Mar 25, 2021 2:46 am

The Military State of the Galapagos wrote:The Chinese Communist party is a corrupt anti-capitalist party that threatens world peace. Seriously how does a country with diplomatic ties to NORTH KOREA become a first world power.

The reason is simple. All free Western countries are collapsing. All countries and governments in this world are regressing. You only need to collapse a little slower than other countries to win.
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Postby Cultural Posadism » Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:02 am

One thing I seriously hate about authoritarian governments like that of the CCP is that you really have no way of knowing which national public figures support their atrocities sincerely or just to survive. Does my favourite Chinese actor support "Xinjiang cotton" because he honestly thinks the Uhygur genocide is actually good or because he and his agents don't want to risk getting on the CCP's bad side? In practice, it's a distinction without a difference, which makes the fact that they and everyone else don't really have much of a choice all the more depressing.
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Postby Dowaesk » Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:09 am

Arvenia wrote:
Page wrote:I'm fed up with leftist groups and unfollowing them. I can no longer stand the unconditional shilling for People's State Capitalist Oligarchy of China.

I wonder why leftists don't sympathize with Uyghurs when they are sympathizing with Palestinians, Syrians, Afghans and other Muslims.


Untrue. Altho i dont believe leftists is the correct term. I have met a significant amount of people who have sympathized for Uyghurs.
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Postby Raioge » Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:43 am

Nekostan-e Gharbi II wrote:China is suck. ROC is, too.

No, ROC isn't suck.

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Raioge
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Postby Raioge » Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:46 am

The Military State of the Galapagos wrote:
Stylan wrote:The Chinese Communist Party is a disgrace to the working class of the world. F*** them.

Couldn't have said it better myself. (Except maybe take of the F*** them part mostly so you don't get banned by the big scary admins)

CCP is really suck, they use authority to oppress people. But ROC is not sucks.

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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:51 am

Let's see. Is this government benevolent or malevolent? They support a government who actively commits genocide, sends people to concentration camps, allowed a disease to ravage the world and become a pandemic by covering it up, convinced the World Health Organisation to praise them about their response to said pandemic, created a satanic social credit score system, actively punish free speech and punish any religious person. I'll go with malevolent, Alex
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Postby Raioge » Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:53 am

Australian rePublic wrote:Let's see. Is this government benevolent or malevolent? They support a government who actively commits genocide, sends people to concentration camps, allowed a disease to ravage the world and become a pandemic by covering it up, convinced the World Health Organisation to praise them about their response to said pandemic, created a satanic social credit score system, actively punish free speech and punish any religious person. I'll go with malevolent, Alex

CCP is cruel.
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Sykar Socialist
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Postby Sykar Socialist » Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:57 am

Raioge wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:Let's see. Is this government benevolent or malevolent? They support a government who actively commits genocide, sends people to concentration camps, allowed a disease to ravage the world and become a pandemic by covering it up, convinced the World Health Organisation to praise them about their response to said pandemic, created a satanic social credit score system, actively punish free speech and punish any religious person. I'll go with malevolent, Alex

CCP is cruel.
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Postby -Ocelot- » Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:05 am

Australian rePublic wrote:Let's see. Is this government benevolent or malevolent? They support a government who actively commits genocide, sends people to concentration camps, allowed a disease to ravage the world and become a pandemic by covering it up, convinced the World Health Organisation to praise them about their response to said pandemic, created a satanic social credit score system, actively punish free speech and punish any religious person. I'll go with malevolent, Alex


True, but it's all done in the name of socialism, so it gets a free pass by most people. Also countries are afraid of breaking economic ties with China, at least for the time being.

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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:16 am

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Arvenia wrote:
Nevertopia wrote:the CCP exploited the chinese peoples growth to stay in power.

And it also operates a socialist market economy, which isn't communist at all.

Somehow, the CCP were a lot worse before abandoning vommunism. Compare CCP China pre-Deng Xiaoping vs. Post Deng Xiaoping, and you'll quickly realise that communism was the problem all along
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Postby Page » Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:50 am

The Military State of the Galapagos wrote:The Chinese Communist party is a corrupt anti-capitalist party that threatens world peace. Seriously how does a country with diplomatic ties to NORTH KOREA become a first world power.


The CCP isn't anti-capitalist, it's state capitalist (which is not a defense of the CCP on my part, state capitalism is in fact even more vile than private capitalism).

And as to North Korea, it's not so much a friend for China as it is a white elephant. If the NK regime collapses, the whole country will plunge into a famine the likes of which we haven't seen in decades, and millions of North Koreans will cross the border to China. There's also the fact that China wants a buffer state because they don't want the US military on the other side of their border, which is not unreasonable. If there was a North and South Mexico and the Chinese had troops and nukes in South Mexico, America would prop up North Mexico at all costs no matter what. North Mexico could literally have an Auschwitz and the US would still prop it up rather than let the Chinese put missiles a stone's throw from San Diego and El Paso.

Again, I emphasize I am not defending the CCP. Fuck the CCP, but fuck them for the right reasons.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:18 am

The Military State of the Galapagos wrote:The Chinese Communist party is a corrupt anti-capitalist party that threatens world peace. Seriously how does a country with diplomatic ties to NORTH KOREA become a first world power.

The CCP is very capitalist.
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Cuthon
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Postby Cuthon » Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:22 am

The CCP isn't even communist. It's only communist in name. It's a State Capitalist Government which operates a mixed-market economy. Also, fun fact. China has the largest build up of multi-millionaires behind the U.S.
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Postby Len Hyet » Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:28 am

The Military State of the Galapagos wrote:The Chinese Communist party is a corrupt anti-capitalist party that threatens world peace. Seriously how does a country with diplomatic ties to NORTH KOREA become a first world power.

Because diplomatic ties have nothing to do with economic or military might.
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Postby Odreria » Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:30 am

Len Hyet wrote:
The Military State of the Galapagos wrote:The Chinese Communist party is a corrupt anti-capitalist party that threatens world peace. Seriously how does a country with diplomatic ties to NORTH KOREA become a first world power.

Because diplomatic ties have nothing to do with economic or military might.

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Postby FutureAmerica » Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:32 pm

The CCP is an obsolete party trying to hold on for dear life. They will end up like all other communist parties in history and collapse their country.

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Postby China Tech » Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:34 am

Cuthon wrote:The CCP isn't even communist. It's only communist in name. It's a State Capitalist Government which operates a mixed-market economy. Also, fun fact. China has the largest build up of multi-millionaires behind the U.S.

Yes, Xi's "Chinese special Socialism" is Authoritarian Capitalism.

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Postby Nevertopia » Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:43 am

Sungoldy-China wrote:
The Military State of the Galapagos wrote:The Chinese Communist party is a corrupt anti-capitalist party that threatens world peace. Seriously how does a country with diplomatic ties to NORTH KOREA become a first world power.

The reason is simple. All free Western countries are collapsing. All countries and governments in this world are regressing. You only need to collapse a little slower than other countries to win.

yes lets replace all the other nations with mad dictators and see the lack of mental stability necessary for global politics deteriorate. People pro-ccp complain that the west has no right to criticize the ccp when it has problems of its own but they seldom realize that the last thing the ccp needs is another version of itself overseas.
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Postby Page » Thu Apr 01, 2021 1:01 am

Nevertopia wrote:
Sungoldy-China wrote:The reason is simple. All free Western countries are collapsing. All countries and governments in this world are regressing. You only need to collapse a little slower than other countries to win.

yes lets replace all the other nations with mad dictators and see the lack of mental stability necessary for global politics deteriorate. People pro-ccp complain that the west has no right to criticize the ccp when it has problems of its own but they seldom realize that the last thing the ccp needs is another version of itself overseas.


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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi III » Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:57 am

Raioge wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi II wrote:China is suck. ROC is, too.

No, ROC isn't suck.

First, I'm not Nekostan-e Gharbi II. I like ROC, but I hate CCP, CCP is mean.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi III » Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:00 am

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
The Military State of the Galapagos wrote:The Chinese Communist party is a corrupt anti-capitalist party that threatens world peace. Seriously how does a country with diplomatic ties to NORTH KOREA become a first world power.

The CCP is very capitalist.

I think CCP is kraetrocracy, it mean CCP is too Authority and too Capitalist.
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