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by East Asia and the Pacific Islands » Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:40 am
by Pronentia » Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:46 am
by The Capitalist States of Avalon » Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:14 am
by The Cazistan » Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:18 am
The Capitalist States of Avalon wrote:I am concerned for the people who answered the poll as "are always in the right." I don't know how you can justify literal genocide and Muslim organ harvesting. Also, extreme censorship, child slave labor, and fatal working conditions are commonplace thanks to the CCP. Please, someone who answered with "are always in the right" please respond and defend these acts.
by Atheris » Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:27 am
The Cazistan wrote:The Capitalist States of Avalon wrote:I am concerned for the people who answered the poll as "are always in the right." I don't know how you can justify literal genocide and Muslim organ harvesting. Also, extreme censorship, child slave labor, and fatal working conditions are commonplace thanks to the CCP. Please, someone who answered with "are always in the right" please respond and defend these acts.
As a Muslim, I approve of China, also there is no genocide lol.
by The Cazistan » Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:36 pm
by Senkaku » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:21 pm
The Cazistan wrote:The Chinese have been doing this since recorded history; they take over a neighboring region and begin culturally integrating them until they become Chinese.
Whether or not you think that's wrong, it's not a GENOCIDE. Nobody is being mass murdered on account of some eugenics program. It's just another example of culturally colonizing your neighbors.
by Miku the Based » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:01 pm
The Cazistan wrote:Atheris wrote:TIL that putting Tibetans, Uyghurs, and Mongolians in concentration camps in an attempt to destroy their cultural and ethnic identity isn't genocide.
The Chinese have been doing this since recorded history; they take over a neighboring region and begin culturally integrating them until they become Chinese.
Whether or not you think that's wrong, it's not a GENOCIDE. Nobody is being mass murdered on account of some eugenics program. It's just another example of culturally colonizing your neighbors.
And this isn't unique to the Chinese either, this has been done by Sweden, Mexico, Hungary, France, etc..
by Islamic Holy Sites » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:02 pm
The Cazistan wrote:The Capitalist States of Avalon wrote:I am concerned for the people who answered the poll as "are always in the right." I don't know how you can justify literal genocide and Muslim organ harvesting. Also, extreme censorship, child slave labor, and fatal working conditions are commonplace thanks to the CCP. Please, someone who answered with "are always in the right" please respond and defend these acts.
As a Muslim, I approve of China, also there is no genocide lol.
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by Islamic Holy Sites » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:04 pm
The Cazistan wrote:The Capitalist States of Avalon wrote:I am concerned for the people who answered the poll as "are always in the right." I don't know how you can justify literal genocide and Muslim organ harvesting. Also, extreme censorship, child slave labor, and fatal working conditions are commonplace thanks to the CCP. Please, someone who answered with "are always in the right" please respond and defend these acts.
As a Muslim, I approve of China, also there is no genocide lol.
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by Genivaria » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:33 pm
Islamic Holy Sites wrote:The Cazistan wrote:As a Muslim, I approve of China, also there is no genocide lol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecuti ... lims#China
Also, this is no genocide, right? Right?
by Genivaria » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:35 pm
The Cazistan wrote:Atheris wrote:TIL that putting Tibetans, Uyghurs, and Mongolians in concentration camps in an attempt to destroy their cultural and ethnic identity isn't genocide.
The Chinese have been doing this since recorded history; they take over a neighboring region and begin culturally integrating them until they become Chinese.
Whether or not you think that's wrong, it's not a GENOCIDE. Nobody is being mass murdered on account of some eugenics program. It's just another example of culturally colonizing your neighbors.
And this isn't unique to the Chinese either, this has been done by Sweden, Mexico, Hungary, France, etc..
by Wizlandia » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:49 pm
Sannyamathland wrote:Things like 'basic liberty' or 'human rights' are the least important when there are literally millions of hungry people in your country. The CCP's role in pulling almost half of it's population from poverty is absolutely commendable, no matter what you say. Moreover, China was the first nation to stop the spread of Covid-19 virus, effectively preventing it from causing much damage. The CCP is an efficient party, no doubt, and their decisions are more correct than wrong. Honestly, I am more than happy to live in a country without YouTube(although they have their own version of YouTube) if the government guarantees me free healthcare and education.
Although there are some aspects of the CCP that even I consider to be a bit too extreme and draconian. The One Child Policy is one of them. The ban on Winnie the Pooh being the other(lol). Overall, I believe that inspite of having some faults, the CCP is a capable party, and I have no harm in accepting this.
by Atheris » Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:07 pm
The Cazistan wrote:Atheris wrote:TIL that putting Tibetans, Uyghurs, and Mongolians in concentration camps in an attempt to destroy their cultural and ethnic identity isn't genocide.
The Chinese have been doing this since recorded history; they take over a neighboring region and begin culturally integrating them until they become Chinese.
Whether or not you think that's wrong, it's not a GENOCIDE. Nobody is being mass murdered on account of some eugenics program. It's just another example of culturally colonizing your neighbors.
And this isn't unique to the Chinese either, this has been done by Sweden, Mexico, Hungary, France, etc..
by Neanderthaland » Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:02 pm
The Cazistan wrote:Atheris wrote:TIL that putting Tibetans, Uyghurs, and Mongolians in concentration camps in an attempt to destroy their cultural and ethnic identity isn't genocide.
The Chinese have been doing this since recorded history; they take over a neighboring region and begin culturally integrating them until they become Chinese.
Whether or not you think that's wrong, it's not a GENOCIDE. Nobody is being mass murdered on account of some eugenics program. It's just another example of culturally colonizing your neighbors.
And this isn't unique to the Chinese either, this has been done by Sweden, Mexico, Hungary, France, etc..
by Duvniask » Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:49 pm
Atheris wrote:The Cazistan wrote:The Chinese have been doing this since recorded history; they take over a neighboring region and begin culturally integrating them until they become Chinese.
Whether or not you think that's wrong, it's not a GENOCIDE. Nobody is being mass murdered on account of some eugenics program. It's just another example of culturally colonizing your neighbors.
And this isn't unique to the Chinese either, this has been done by Sweden, Mexico, Hungary, France, etc..
Yes, I know what Sinicization is. Doesn't make what the PRC is doing not genocide.
Genocide is not defined by intent, rather by method. Peaceful assimilation is not genocide; mass-murder, putting people in concentration camps, and suppressing cultural identity is. China is doing the latter. German integration of the French after they took Alsass-Lorraine wasn't genocide; the Holocaust was. Chinese integration of Manchu culture wasn't necessarily genocide; China putting Uyghurs and Tibetans in concentration camps and committing massacres against their people is.
by The Central Union of Nation States » Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:13 pm
by All China » Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:55 pm
by Saiwania » Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:24 pm
All China wrote:China isn’t doing anything wrong...
by Picairn » Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:46 pm
All China wrote:China isn’t doing anything wrong.
It’s pretty unfortunate that some people, including a lot of journalists, start with a lot of strong bias and prejudice. That’s the problem. That’s how they come to very different conclusions about difficult situations. Very much against real facts.
What’s really happening on the ground is a very different story, very different picture from the reporting on China.
Let me tell you the basic facts about Xinjiang. Until recently, the big threat to Xinjiang, to all ethnic groups, was terrorist attacks. Thousands of them. Hurting and killing thousands of people. People from all ethnic groups. And it was a very serious threat. There was strong demand by the local people that the government had to do something to stop it. So this has been China’s priority: to stop the spread of terrorist attacks.
Some of them are connected with international groups, like ISIS. It was a very serious threat to the lives and the well-being of the people.
Secondly, there was mounting terrorist, violent, extremist ideology among the local population. That was also very dangerous. But what China did was not to start a war there. They didn’t use missiles or drones. They set up efforts for education and training. Help people to learn more about the law. To acquire good skills to improve their lives and find good jobs.
All of this has made a huge difference. There has been no single terrorist attack in the last few years. In terms of population, the Uighur population more than doubled in the last four decades. How can people talk about so-called genocide?
And in the last few years, there have been more than one thousand people, diplomats, journalists, from over one-hundred countries (many of them Muslim countries) all of these people visited Xinjiang. What they have seen are real facts.
And there’s talk of “satellite photos” and “media pictures etc. etc. I remember all these things happened over the years, for instance, in Iraq, and a few years ago in Syria and Libya. Can people really come out and report these same stories to the world?
No. Because many of these stories are just based on falsehood. Just fabrication.
China and CCP are doing nothing wrong.
by All China » Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:54 pm
Saiwania wrote:All China wrote:China isn’t doing anything wrong...
People here see through the BS. This account was only just created today with its only post being to regurgitate the official statements China's government makes, and you expect people to believe that a real person is behind this account when all signs point to this probably not being the case?
Fact remains that China is purposefully moving Han populations to Xinjiang and sterilizing locally native women with IUDs and other methods in an attempt to make the province majority Han from whats been leaked out in terms of news. I get what China is trying to accomplish there but I see no reason to want to consent to it happening. Perhaps China should just reach a deal with Kazakhstan where the Uyghurs will be allowed to move out of China given that China doesn't want them anyways.
by All China » Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:01 pm
by Stellar Colonies » Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:03 pm
All China wrote:
Calling what you disagree with propaganda won’t change it. China has been open about what happens in Xinjiang. The world knows what is fact and what is propaganda. Journalists going to Xinjiang to stir up trouble and play pretend when they get detained by police for being clown in a foreign country is the propaganda.
Imagine if Chinese journalists try to break into a school and claim people are being brainwashed. The police will remove them for disturbing the peace. Yet China is a dictatorship when the same happens from bombastic journalists coming for a sneaky story?
Facts are facts. Lies from fabricators don’t change it. Xinjiang is more safe now because of peaceful education programs and training for the betterment of the local population. It’s a shame that so much disinformation is spread about the good things happening in Xinjiang.
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I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.
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by Major-Tom » Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:04 pm
All China wrote:
Calling what you disagree with propaganda won’t change it. China has been open about what happens in Xinjiang. The world knows what is fact and what is propaganda. Journalists going to Xinjiang to stir up trouble and play pretend when they get detained by police for being clown in a foreign country is the propaganda.
Imagine if Chinese journalists try to break into a school and claim people are being brainwashed. The police will remove them for disturbing the peace. Yet China is a dictatorship when the same happens from bombastic journalists coming for a sneaky story?
Facts are facts. Lies from fabricators don’t change it. Xinjiang is more safe now because of peaceful education programs and training for the betterment of the local population. It’s a shame that so much disinformation is spread about the good things happening in Xinjiang.
by All China » Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:08 pm
Stellar Colonies wrote:All China wrote:
Calling what you disagree with propaganda won’t change it. China has been open about what happens in Xinjiang. The world knows what is fact and what is propaganda. Journalists going to Xinjiang to stir up trouble and play pretend when they get detained by police for being clown in a foreign country is the propaganda.
Imagine if Chinese journalists try to break into a school and claim people are being brainwashed. The police will remove them for disturbing the peace. Yet China is a dictatorship when the same happens from bombastic journalists coming for a sneaky story?
Facts are facts. Lies from fabricators don’t change it. Xinjiang is more safe now because of peaceful education programs and training for the betterment of the local population. It’s a shame that so much disinformation is spread about the good things happening in Xinjiang.
Do you have any evidence to present, and are you going to address the information provided in Pitcairn's post?
Without doing either, all you are posting is a series of words as verifiable as a sci-fi novel from the '50s.
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