The Chinese Communist Party is right or wrong?

[East Asia and the Pacific Islands]

I have chinese parents and I have visited china a couple of times, and china is not very good at making diplomatic decisions or doing the right thing for it's people.

[Pronentia]

I mean they're definitely in the wrong. they've essentially created a state than can spy on it's citizens 24/7 if that person decides to not toe the party line, at best they've destroyed Uyghur culture under the guise of anti-terrorism and enslaving Uyghurs in factories, at worst they are murdering those Ughurs and practicing ethnic cleansing. That's not even including their actions in Hong Kong.

[The Capitalist States of Avalon]

I am concerned for the people who answered the poll as "are always in the right." I don't know how you can justify literal genocide and Muslim organ harvesting. Also, extreme censorship, child slave labor, and fatal working conditions are commonplace thanks to the CCP. Please, someone who answered with "are always in the right" please respond and defend these acts.

[The Cazistan]

I am concerned for the people who answered the poll as "are always in the right." I don't know how you can justify literal genocide and Muslim organ harvesting. Also, extreme censorship, child slave labor, and fatal working conditions are commonplace thanks to the CCP. Please, someone who answered with "are always in the right" please respond and defend these acts.

As a Muslim, I approve of China, also there is no genocide lol.

[Atheris]

I am concerned for the people who answered the poll as "are always in the right." I don't know how you can justify literal genocide and Muslim organ harvesting. Also, extreme censorship, child slave labor, and fatal working conditions are commonplace thanks to the CCP. Please, someone who answered with "are always in the right" please respond and defend these acts.

As a Muslim, I approve of China, also there is no genocide lol.

TIL that putting Tibetans, Uyghurs, and Mongolians in concentration camps in an attempt to destroy their cultural and ethnic identity isn't genocide.

[The Cazistan]

As a Muslim, I approve of China, also there is no genocide lol.

TIL that putting Tibetans, Uyghurs, and Mongolians in concentration camps in an attempt to destroy their cultural and ethnic identity isn't genocide.

The Chinese have been doing this since recorded history; they take over a neighboring region and begin culturally integrating them until they become Chinese.
Whether or not you think that's wrong, it's not a GENOCIDE. Nobody is being mass murdered on account of some eugenics program. It's just another example of culturally colonizing your neighbors.
And this isn't unique to the Chinese either, this has been done by Sweden, Mexico, Hungary, France, etc..

[Senkaku]

The Chinese have been doing this since recorded history; they take over a neighboring region and begin culturally integrating them until they become Chinese.
Whether or not you think that's wrong, it's not a GENOCIDE. Nobody is being mass murdered on account of some eugenics program. It's just another example of culturally colonizing your neighbors.

i-it's not genocide! i-it's just cultural integration!

uh huh

[Miku the Based]

TIL that putting Tibetans, Uyghurs, and Mongolians in concentration camps in an attempt to destroy their cultural and ethnic identity isn't genocide.

The Chinese have been doing this since recorded history; they take over a neighboring region and begin culturally integrating them until they become Chinese.
Whether or not you think that's wrong, it's not a GENOCIDE. Nobody is being mass murdered on account of some eugenics program. It's just another example of culturally colonizing your neighbors.
And this isn't unique to the Chinese either, this has been done by Sweden, Mexico, Hungary, France, etc..

The woke left introduce the concept of cultural assimilation, changing road signs, etc. as genocide. Technically they are correct in a way. The British ban on stonings in India is technically genocide because it forcibly changed the culture of a nation. China is technically doing the same in their own territory and people are making a hussy fit of it which really signify thier partisanship.
There is negative association with genocide being akin to mass murder which what the woke left and also the imperialist west love to use to disparage their detractors. Even though they themselves also partake in genocide by installing systems of government that enforces thier own social system on other people, a genocide so to speak.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

I am concerned for the people who answered the poll as "are always in the right." I don't know how you can justify literal genocide and Muslim organ harvesting. Also, extreme censorship, child slave labor, and fatal working conditions are commonplace thanks to the CCP. Please, someone who answered with "are always in the right" please respond and defend these acts.

As a Muslim, I approve of China, also there is no genocide lol.

As a muslim, I certainly do not, also there is a genocide lol.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

I am concerned for the people who answered the poll as "are always in the right." I don't know how you can justify literal genocide and Muslim organ harvesting. Also, extreme censorship, child slave labor, and fatal working conditions are commonplace thanks to the CCP. Please, someone who answered with "are always in the right" please respond and defend these acts.

As a Muslim, I approve of China, also there is no genocide lol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecuti ... lims#China
Also, this is no genocide, right? Right?

[Genivaria]

As a Muslim, I approve of China, also there is no genocide lol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecuti ... lims#China
Also, this is no genocide, right? Right?

One wonders why international observers have been barred from seeing these internment camps if there are no atrocities.

[Genivaria]

TIL that putting Tibetans, Uyghurs, and Mongolians in concentration camps in an attempt to destroy their cultural and ethnic identity isn't genocide.

The Chinese have been doing this since recorded history; they take over a neighboring region and begin culturally integrating them until they become Chinese.
Whether or not you think that's wrong, it's not a GENOCIDE. Nobody is being mass murdered on account of some eugenics program. It's just another example of culturally colonizing your neighbors.
And this isn't unique to the Chinese either, this has been done by Sweden, Mexico, Hungary, France, etc..

Yeah just like what the United States did to Native Americans wasn't genocide either, it was cultural integration! *vomits*

[Wizlandia]

Things like 'basic liberty' or 'human rights' are the least important when there are literally millions of hungry people in your country. The CCP's role in pulling almost half of it's population from poverty is absolutely commendable, no matter what you say. Moreover, China was the first nation to stop the spread of Covid-19 virus, effectively preventing it from causing much damage. The CCP is an efficient party, no doubt, and their decisions are more correct than wrong. Honestly, I am more than happy to live in a country without YouTube(although they have their own version of YouTube) if the government guarantees me free healthcare and education.
Although there are some aspects of the CCP that even I consider to be a bit too extreme and draconian. The One Child Policy is one of them. The ban on Winnie the Pooh being the other(lol). Overall, I believe that inspite of having some faults, the CCP is a capable party, and I have no harm in accepting this.

I have no idea why people continue believing in this "CCP is a bunch of technocrats" propaganda.

1. The country only "pulled half of its population from poverty" because it finally abandoned its hukou system in favour of market based reforms. Who installed the hukou system, why the CCP.
2. Most of the economic literature on China puts actual GDP growth far lower than CCP reported numbers. Regardless, China's growth out of third-world poverty has been slower than many comparables such as South Korea and Taiwan.
3. The CCP's failure to shut down wet-markets led to Covid-19.
4. The CCP's penchant for punishing local officials led to the Hubei provincial government covering up the Covid threat until it was too late.
5. The CCP wastes hundreds of billions of tax-money on useless "infrastructure projects" that don't meet even the most cursory cost-benefit analysis. The various ghost towns and the Belt and Road Initiative being two obvious examples.
6. Pollution in China has become a major public health issue under the CCP, and contrary to beliefs of many such insane levels of pollution isn't necessary for economic growth (just look to any other former third-world nation).
7. The CCP has been captured by Xi Jinping and has no plan for succession, something party elites vowed would never happen after Mao.

The legacy of the CCP is a legacy of extraordinary failure and incompetence, and the fact that some westerners look to the CCP and think that they are some brilliant technocrats marred by authoritarian tendencies is deeply concerning.

[Atheris]

TIL that putting Tibetans, Uyghurs, and Mongolians in concentration camps in an attempt to destroy their cultural and ethnic identity isn't genocide.

The Chinese have been doing this since recorded history; they take over a neighboring region and begin culturally integrating them until they become Chinese.
Whether or not you think that's wrong, it's not a GENOCIDE. Nobody is being mass murdered on account of some eugenics program. It's just another example of culturally colonizing your neighbors.
And this isn't unique to the Chinese either, this has been done by Sweden, Mexico, Hungary, France, etc..

Yes, I know what Sinicization is. Doesn't make what the PRC is doing not genocide.

Genocide is not defined by intent, rather by method. Peaceful assimilation is not genocide; mass-murder, putting people in concentration camps, and suppressing cultural identity is. China is doing the latter. German integration of the French after they took Alsass-Lorraine wasn't genocide; the Holocaust was. Chinese integration of Manchu culture wasn't necessarily genocide; China putting Uyghurs and Tibetans in concentration camps and committing massacres against their people is.

[Neanderthaland]

TIL that putting Tibetans, Uyghurs, and Mongolians in concentration camps in an attempt to destroy their cultural and ethnic identity isn't genocide.

The Chinese have been doing this since recorded history; they take over a neighboring region and begin culturally integrating them until they become Chinese.
Whether or not you think that's wrong, it's not a GENOCIDE. Nobody is being mass murdered on account of some eugenics program. It's just another example of culturally colonizing your neighbors.
And this isn't unique to the Chinese either, this has been done by Sweden, Mexico, Hungary, France, etc..

The first genocide that was recorded as a "genocide" and condemned in these terms was the Chinese destruction of the Dzungar Oirat.

Chinese genocide has been recorded as genocide literally since we invented the term. It counts.

[Duvniask]

The Chinese have been doing this since recorded history; they take over a neighboring region and begin culturally integrating them until they become Chinese.
Whether or not you think that's wrong, it's not a GENOCIDE. Nobody is being mass murdered on account of some eugenics program. It's just another example of culturally colonizing your neighbors.
And this isn't unique to the Chinese either, this has been done by Sweden, Mexico, Hungary, France, etc..

Yes, I know what Sinicization is. Doesn't make what the PRC is doing not genocide.

Genocide is not defined by intent, rather by method. Peaceful assimilation is not genocide; mass-murder, putting people in concentration camps, and suppressing cultural identity is. China is doing the latter. German integration of the French after they took Alsass-Lorraine wasn't genocide; the Holocaust was. Chinese integration of Manchu culture wasn't necessarily genocide; China putting Uyghurs and Tibetans in concentration camps and committing massacres against their people is.

It's a stretch to suggest German integration of Alsace-Lorraine after 1871, i.e. Germanization-campaigns with intermittent repression and curtailment of the French language, was a "peaceful assimilation". The people of Alsace-Lorraine were not particularly fond of their German overlords, nor did the Germans regard them as equals.

[The Central Union of Nation States]

While China might have a deep culture, the CCP has done major wrong. I have done some research into china and while I could try to go into the intricacies, I am not an expert and could get some things wrong has it has been a while. However they force Uyghurs, Turkish Muslim minority in china (from my understanding), into internment camps along with other minorities. They force them to have sterilization, force abortions, force them to do labor, and target them. Modern day slavery. On top of that the one-child policy, which is now the two-child policy, is forcing women from their choice and if it is in violation they are forcibly dragged and detained and given forcible abortions taking away the woman's choice. They are authoritarians and do not care about basic HUMAN rights and it is still going on currently.

[All China]

China isn’t doing anything wrong.

It’s pretty unfortunate that some people, including a lot of journalists, start with a lot of strong bias and prejudice. That’s the problem. That’s how they come to very different conclusions about difficult situations. Very much against real facts.

What’s really happening on the ground is a very different story, very different picture from the reporting on China.

Let me tell you the basic facts about Xinjiang. Until recently, the big threat to Xinjiang, to all ethnic groups, was terrorist attacks. Thousands of them. Hurting and killing thousands of people. People from all ethnic groups. And it was a very serious threat. There was strong demand by the local people that the government had to do something to stop it. So this has been China’s priority: to stop the spread of terrorist attacks.

Some of them are connected with international groups, like ISIS. It was a very serious threat to the lives and the well-being of the people.

Secondly, there was mounting terrorist, violent, extremist ideology among the local population. That was also very dangerous. But what China did was not to start a war there. They didn’t use missiles or drones. They set up efforts for education and training. Help people to learn more about the law. To acquire good skills to improve their lives and find good jobs.

All of this has made a huge difference. There has been no single terrorist attack in the last few years. In terms of population, the Uighur population more than doubled in the last four decades. How can people talk about so-called genocide?

And in the last few years, there have been more than one thousand people, diplomats, journalists, from over one-hundred countries (many of them Muslim countries) all of these people visited Xinjiang. What they have seen are real facts.

And there’s talk of “satellite photos” and “media pictures etc. etc. I remember all these things happened over the years, for instance, in Iraq, and a few years ago in Syria and Libya. Can people really come out and report these same stories to the world?

No. Because many of these stories are just based on falsehood. Just fabrication.

China and CCP are doing nothing wrong.

[Saiwania]

China isn’t doing anything wrong...

People here see through the BS. This account was only just created today with its only post being to regurgitate the official statements China's government makes, and you expect people to believe that a real person is behind this account when all signs point to this probably not being the case?

Fact remains that China is purposefully moving Han populations to Xinjiang and sterilizing locally native women with IUDs and other methods in an attempt to make the province majority Han from whats been leaked out in terms of news. I get what China is trying to accomplish there but I see no reason to want to consent to it happening. Perhaps China should just reach a deal with Kazakhstan where the Uyghurs will be allowed to move out of China given that China doesn't want them anyways.

[Picairn]

China isn’t doing anything wrong.

Way to start off a storm of disinformation, man.

It’s pretty unfortunate that some people, including a lot of journalists, start with a lot of strong bias and prejudice. That’s the problem. That’s how they come to very different conclusions about difficult situations. Very much against real facts.

And these "real facts" are...? Let me guess, Chinese propaganda.

What’s really happening on the ground is a very different story, very different picture from the reporting on China.

Let me tell you the basic facts about Xinjiang. Until recently, the big threat to Xinjiang, to all ethnic groups, was terrorist attacks. Thousands of them. Hurting and killing thousands of people. People from all ethnic groups. And it was a very serious threat. There was strong demand by the local people that the government had to do something to stop it. So this has been China’s priority: to stop the spread of terrorist attacks.

Some of them are connected with international groups, like ISIS. It was a very serious threat to the lives and the well-being of the people.

Secondly, there was mounting terrorist, violent, extremist ideology among the local population. That was also very dangerous. But what China did was not to start a war there. They didn’t use missiles or drones. They set up efforts for education and training. Help people to learn more about the law. To acquire good skills to improve their lives and find good jobs.

A blatant lie. Terrorist attacks do not justify putting up to a million people in concentration camps. If there were truly a million terrorists (!) then the Chinese government would be completely unable to pacify the area. Those camps were not for education and training, but to destroy and suppress Uyghurs' culture and identity.

All of this has made a huge difference. There has been no single terrorist attack in the last few years. In terms of population, the Uighur population more than doubled in the last four decades. How can people talk about so-called genocide?

Except that birth rates among the Uighurs dropped by half from 2017 to 2019. Official Chinese statistics in the China Statistical Yearbook even reported this. Here's an illustration: https://twitter.com/jnzst/status/1364530097701576706

And in the last few years, there have been more than one thousand people, diplomats, journalists, from over one-hundred countries (many of them Muslim countries) all of these people visited Xinjiang. What they have seen are real facts.

Government tours are likely very staged. There is no shortage of staged government tours, from the US in Guantanamo Bay to the Nazis in Theresienstadt. Such tours by definition are orchestrated by people with an interest in making everything appear perfect and the means to tightly control the conditions of a facility and its visitors; they must be approached with great skepticism. https://wokeglobaltimes.com/aac16063149 ... 06802b7958

Many Muslim countries support China either out of geopolitics or economic reasons more than genuinely believing in China's lies. https://wokeglobaltimes.com/7bb59d10cd4 ... f335b63005

And there’s talk of “satellite photos” and “media pictures etc. etc. I remember all these things happened over the years, for instance, in Iraq, and a few years ago in Syria and Libya. Can people really come out and report these same stories to the world?

Elaborate. Not only do we have satellite photos, but we also have internal document leaks, testimonies and studies (no, not just Zenz) which expose China's camps.
https://wokeglobaltimes.com/5d34bc453be ... b394cc21b6
https://wokeglobaltimes.com/f8b64df5a00 ... 50f52a6690
https://wokeglobaltimes.com/c227d529f6f ... 07980f9f70
https://wokeglobaltimes.com/3938794a3c1 ... 27336e1a46
https://wokeglobaltimes.com/75dedb60c08 ... 08c17a875b

No. Because many of these stories are just based on falsehood. Just fabrication.

China and CCP are doing nothing wrong.

Lies and propaganda.

[All China]

China isn’t doing anything wrong...

People here see through the BS. This account was only just created today with its only post being to regurgitate the official statements China's government makes, and you expect people to believe that a real person is behind this account when all signs point to this probably not being the case?

Fact remains that China is purposefully moving Han populations to Xinjiang and sterilizing locally native women with IUDs and other methods in an attempt to make the province majority Han from whats been leaked out in terms of news. I get what China is trying to accomplish there but I see no reason to want to consent to it happening. Perhaps China should just reach a deal with Kazakhstan where the Uyghurs will be allowed to move out of China given that China doesn't want them anyways.

There is no BS. Only facts.

Uighur are allowed to live in China if they want to. They are allowed to leave China if they want to. What is not allowed is terrorist attacks. Uighur and Han were victim of these attacks. Scandalous journalists want to find a story where there is none.

When America educated people to follow the American law, it is accepted. When China educates people to follow the Chinese law, it is genocide? Of course not.

[All China]

Way to start off a storm of disinformation, man.


Lies and propaganda.

Calling what you disagree with propaganda won’t change it. China has been open about what happens in Xinjiang. The world knows what is fact and what is propaganda. Journalists going to Xinjiang to stir up trouble and play pretend when they get detained by police for being clown in a foreign country is the propaganda.

Imagine if Chinese journalists try to break into a school and claim people are being brainwashed. The police will remove them for disturbing the peace. Yet China is a dictatorship when the same happens from bombastic journalists coming for a sneaky story?

Facts are facts. Lies from fabricators don’t change it. Xinjiang is more safe now because of peaceful education programs and training for the betterment of the local population. It’s a shame that so much disinformation is spread about the good things happening in Xinjiang.

[Stellar Colonies]

Way to start off a storm of disinformation, man.


Lies and propaganda.

Calling what you disagree with propaganda won’t change it. China has been open about what happens in Xinjiang. The world knows what is fact and what is propaganda. Journalists going to Xinjiang to stir up trouble and play pretend when they get detained by police for being clown in a foreign country is the propaganda.

Imagine if Chinese journalists try to break into a school and claim people are being brainwashed. The police will remove them for disturbing the peace. Yet China is a dictatorship when the same happens from bombastic journalists coming for a sneaky story?

Facts are facts. Lies from fabricators don’t change it. Xinjiang is more safe now because of peaceful education programs and training for the betterment of the local population. It’s a shame that so much disinformation is spread about the good things happening in Xinjiang.

Do you have any evidence to present, and are you going to address the information provided in Pitcairn's post?

Without doing either, all you are posting is a series of words as verifiable as a sci-fi novel from the '50s.

[Major-Tom]

Way to start off a storm of disinformation, man.


Lies and propaganda.

Calling what you disagree with propaganda won’t change it. China has been open about what happens in Xinjiang. The world knows what is fact and what is propaganda. Journalists going to Xinjiang to stir up trouble and play pretend when they get detained by police for being clown in a foreign country is the propaganda.

Imagine if Chinese journalists try to break into a school and claim people are being brainwashed. The police will remove them for disturbing the peace. Yet China is a dictatorship when the same happens from bombastic journalists coming for a sneaky story?

Facts are facts. Lies from fabricators don’t change it. Xinjiang is more safe now because of peaceful education programs and training for the betterment of the local population. It’s a shame that so much disinformation is spread about the good things happening in Xinjiang.

Gonna be honest with you man, if you have a, let say an ulterior motive to spew whatever crap this is, don't hedge your bet on it working on NSG. I'm sure there are plenty of other outlets that might be more receptive to this.

[All China]

Calling what you disagree with propaganda won’t change it. China has been open about what happens in Xinjiang. The world knows what is fact and what is propaganda. Journalists going to Xinjiang to stir up trouble and play pretend when they get detained by police for being clown in a foreign country is the propaganda.

Imagine if Chinese journalists try to break into a school and claim people are being brainwashed. The police will remove them for disturbing the peace. Yet China is a dictatorship when the same happens from bombastic journalists coming for a sneaky story?

Facts are facts. Lies from fabricators don’t change it. Xinjiang is more safe now because of peaceful education programs and training for the betterment of the local population. It’s a shame that so much disinformation is spread about the good things happening in Xinjiang.

Do you have any evidence to present, and are you going to address the information provided in Pitcairn's post?

Without doing either, all you are posting is a series of words as verifiable as a sci-fi novel from the '50s.

They posted a tweet and some blogs as evidence of a widely debunked conspiracy theory about China.

Nothing to address.